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[Adon 9]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I feel like my job, as Shepard, is to protect the galaxy from itself. People will act like people, and nothing is going to change that. I was not surprised that the Alliance and the Council acted the way they did. But it doesn't matter, because it's my job to save their butts anyways.

Pretty much this.  While I as Shepard personally think that the Council are being willfully obtuse on the issue of the Reapers, it's not my place to declare who is 'worthy' of administering Council space.  And as frustrated as I am with the Council, I can trust the Illusive Man as far as I can throw him.  Cerberus definitely appeals to the will to get things done now, but the ultimate price tag is too high for me ever to become more than an ally of convenience with them.

[Virginian]

Council gives you nothing but grief and makes you pay for everything out of your own pocket.



Cerberus gives you just about everything you need for the mission. Free, better, & luxurious ship, free guns, free armor (dlc), another lease on life.



I am not seeing where Cerberus is bad.

[Computron2000]

The council isn't the alliance. The Alliance sens a rep to the Council but has its own government. Frankly i kind of like the Alliance. Admiral Hackett is pretty good and pragmatic. Setting up Gardian lasers show that they do take action when colonies are threatened though said lasers are pretty sucky

[GnusmasTHX]

The Councillors, yes... But not the Council and especially not the Systems Alliance.

[LOLandStuff]

I can't stand the Council but i can understand them. In their eyes Shepard is just obsessed with something only he and a few saw, he has no proof whatsoever of "cthulhu".

For them you're just a raving lunatic lucky to still be free and roam the galaxy.

Even I got tired of Shepard, hearing all day reaper-Saren-reaper-geth-Saren-reaper-Sovereign-reaper-collectors-reaper.

So how can the Council take you seriously when you show up to them with your cthulhu apocalyptic theories?

[NeoGuardian86]

Virginian wrote...

Council gives you nothing but grief and makes you pay for everything out of your own pocket.

Cerberus gives you just about everything you need for the mission. Free, better, & luxurious ship, free guns, free armor (dlc), another lease on life.

I am not seeing where Cerberus is bad.

oh man.... where do i begin....

[The BS Police]

LOLandStuff wrote...

So how can the Council take you seriously when you show up to them with your cthulhu apocalyptic theories?

Jeez, I can't think of anything....

[JoltDealer]

The entire council can go screw themselves, especially the Turian one...I am going to kick his bony ass...

[dreman9999]

3rd play through.
Paragon Infiltrator.
The counsil pissed her off.
Told them where they can put it.
No Renege points?

[keginkc]

Yes, I've really developed a dislike for both the Council and the Alliance, and their whole 'bury head in sand' approach to the reapers.



Ironically, though, on what's supposed to be my renegade infiltrator playthrough, I'm finding myself going paragon a whole lot. To the point that I'm about 60% renegade, 40% paragon, and choosing paragon approaches to a lot of the loyalty missions. Renegade choices seem much harder for me to take in this game than in the first. I don't even know if I can make myself keep the base at the end.



It really seems like everybody is against you by the end of the game, Council, Alliance, Cerberus.

[LOLandStuff]

@The BS Police

Neah, That's what Saren wanted you to believe.

[Tyraelis]

I'm sure pissed off at either version of the Council for not taking Shepard seriously twice now; I am pretty sure that if they don't take my word in ME3, I'll just let them get blown up/killed.

[eternalnightmare13]

SpideyKnight wrote...

What does the new council do? I always save them, though it could be argued that saving them is rather renegade since you are sacrificing many for the few.

If you let the Council die in ME1 the new council won't even meet with you.  Humanity is pretty much despised by the other races.

[JedTed]

I don't trust Cerberus but i see them as a nessicary evil. Plus my Shepard still holds a grudge against them for that little Thresher Maw incident on Akuze, not only because of the emotional scars it left on him i can't just forget about all those Alliance soilders that died there.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I just hope we get a chance to let the turian councilor die. I hate that air-quoting bastard.

paraphrasing:
Turian Councilor: Ah yes, :air qoutes: the Reapers, machines that destroyed all sentient life in the galaxy 50,000 years ago.

Shepard: :cheek muscle twitches: suffers a brain aneurysm and dies again.

[levi.porphyrogenitus]

My paragon Shepard let the Council die on the advice of Tali. Working with aliens is valuable and necessary, but letting them throw away human lives (and the lives of their own people, for that matter) is just too much for my Shepard to allow. He was unfailingly polite (except a few instances where they pretty much shut him down despite lots of evidence of an imminent threat to everybody), and they repaid him by stabbing him and the galaxy in the back at the last second. No way was he going to waste the best chance at taking out Sovereign to save their lives.



Cerberus is evil (the monstrous experimentation they have been doing are just too much), and the IM is a sociopath (I also doubt his motives are as clear as he would have you believe; mankind uber alles doesn't quite feel like what he's really after). The Alliance is pretty decent (I really liked Admirals Kuhoku and Hackett), though it has problems like any political body does. The new Council is just as bad as the original (marginalized Anderson, etc.) and wouldn't even talk to Shepard.



At this point I'm thinking the best course of action is to unite the Quarian, Geth, and Alliance fleets under Shepard's banner. A Quarian/Geth alliance would be incredibly powerful, and the Alliance strikes me as having the best fleet in space despite it being rather smaller than the Turians'.



I don't think the Terra Firma people are safe to let into the Alliance government in any big way, though, either. Better to achieve primacy through true superiority rather than through discrimination. If the Alliance wants to have a bigger voice on the new Council, then they should bloody well let Anderson do his job. He's supposed to be using his rep as a war hero chosen by the Hero of the Citadel for his posting to be a strong Councilor, yet he gets marginalized almost as soon as Shepard dies? Clearly somebody in the Alliance (Udina comes to mind) with influence on the new Council has it in for both Anderson and Shepard. In fact, now that I think about it, I seem to recall Anderson himself mentioning something along those lines. It almost makes me wish that ME1 had an option to kill Udina at some point. The guy is a snake.

[JedTed]

There's something that's been bugging me regarding the Council decision that i was hoping someone could clarify.



If you let the Council die is humanity hated regardless of if you were mostly Paragon or Renegade?

[Garlador]

I loathe the Council. They have refused to believe me, not once, not twice, not even THREE times, but this is about the FOURTH time I've come to them going "you're in danger" and they blow me off and call me delusional and misguided.



I only saved their lives.... and in return they sent me into geth space... where I got killed by the Collector's. My blood was/is on their hands, and I'm still bitter about it. I'm still playing nice, for Anderson's sake, but if they do anything to jeopardize the safety of others, I won't be so quick to save their hides again.

[Eclesis]

I felt sorry for the Council/Alliance because they seemed victims of the plot-mandated Deus-Ex-Machina that forced you to work for Cerberus. If they were not made to be unreasonably obtuse the entire premise of ME2 would have fallen apart as soon as you got within shouting range of Citadel. I don't regret saving the Council at all, and hope I can work with them again in ME3 now that I've finally managed to tell TIM to sod off.

[Dark_Caduceus]

I'm through with the Council, they believed Saren at his word, but they don't believe me after I saved their sorry asses. I'm through with them, completely prepared to let them die in ME3. I'm all for humans progressing forward with the other races, I saved the rachni and did my best to facilitate peace between the geth and quarians, I made Mordin save the genophage cure data. But the Council has proven time and time again that it is incompetent. The Alliance is better, at least Hackett seems alright and Anderson knows what the stakes are, but the Council is just holding them back, even after getting a seat on the Council.

[GreenDragon37]

JedTed wrote...

There's something that's been bugging me regarding the Council decision that i was hoping someone could clarify.

If you let the Council die is humanity hated regardless of if you were mostly Paragon or Renegade?

Yes, they will hate you... no matter what the reason was: neutral or Renegade. That is why I am starting over my main. He is Paragon, but he always sacrificed the Council to go after Soverign. I'm going to see what happens when I save the Couuncil for once. But I still hate them.

The system is sound, but the rulers are not.

[GreenDragon37]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I'm through with the Council, they believed Saren at his word, but they don't believe me after I saved their sorry asses. I'm through with them, completely prepared to let them die in ME3. I'm all for humans progressing forward with the other races, I saved the rachni and did my best to facilitate peace between the geth and quarians, I made Mordin save the genophage cure data. But the Council has proven time and time again that it is incompetent. The Alliance is better, at least Hackett seems alright and Anderson knows what the stakes are, but the Council is just holding them back, even after getting a seat on the Council.

Even if you kill the Council in ME 1, the new Council isn't any better. They won't even see you, and Anderson is treated like crap by the new Council, mixed or human. It's sad.

EDIT: Not to mention the extreme anti-Human race riots that go on and some of the hate you get because you let the Council die, Neutral or Renegade.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 14 février 2010 - 07:41 .

[Pyrothol]

Virginian wrote...

Council gives you nothing but grief and makes you pay for everything out of your own pocket.

Cerberus gives you just about everything you need for the mission. Free, better, & luxurious ship, free guns, free armor (dlc), another lease on life.

I am not seeing where Cerberus is bad.

They didn't even fill the gas tank on there brand new ship!!!!!!  I've gotten better service from Hertz.

[Dark_Caduceus]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I'm through with the Council, they believed Saren at his word, but they don't believe me after I saved their sorry asses. I'm through with them, completely prepared to let them die in ME3. I'm all for humans progressing forward with the other races, I saved the rachni and did my best to facilitate peace between the geth and quarians, I made Mordin save the genophage cure data. But the Council has proven time and time again that it is incompetent. The Alliance is better, at least Hackett seems alright and Anderson knows what the stakes are, but the Council is just holding them back, even after getting a seat on the Council.

Even if you kill the Council in ME 1, the new Council isn't any better. They won't even see you, and Anderson is treated like crap by the new Council, mixed or human. It's sad.

EDIT: Not to mention the extreme anti-Human race riots that go on and some of the hate you get because you let the Council die, Neutral or Renegade.

...**** my life.

[Talogrungi]

Meh, they're politicians.

Frankly, I think it's naive of people to expect a council responsible for BILLIONS of lives to be anything but mindless red-tape monkeys. Mass Effect isn't set so far into the future as to allow for the possibility that politicians are thoughtful, reasoned, compassionate and logical.

There's only so much suspension of disbelief.