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[GreenDragon37]

Virginian wrote...

Council gives you nothing but grief and makes you pay for everything out of your own pocket.

Cerberus gives you just about everything you need for the mission. Free, better, & luxurious ship, free guns, free armor (dlc), another lease on life.

I am not seeing where Cerberus is bad.

Really?

1. Massacre at Akuze
2. Killing Admiral Kohaku and his men
3. Being terrorists (and even ADDMITTING IT!) 
4. Being Anti-Alien/Human Supremecists
5. Wanting to use the Collector Base (I don't trust TIM will use it to save the galaxy, only to ENSLAVE THE GALAXY!)
6. Having a hand in the Rachni and Thorian Creeper incidents.
7. The Reaper IFF trap!!!

C'mon, the List could probably go on!

EDIT: The Council IMHO, is foolish, yes... but not EVIL! That is where Cerberus fails. I'd rather work with the Council than with Cerberus.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 14 février 2010 - 08:05 .

[KroganPants]

I don't hate them or my decision to save them. But hopefully in the next game they won't act like total jerks and accept that the Reapers are coming, and that they need to start preparing to fight them. If they don't, whatever, i'll get Wrex/Grunt to eat them for me.

[Nishmaet]

dreman9999 wrote...

3rd play through.
Paragon Infiltrator.
The counsil pissed her off.
Told them where they can put it.
No Renege points?

Aye, that was kinda funny.

Was paragon and saved the council in ME1 tho they pissed me off to no end. Got rly pissed in ME2 and told them to shove it in their pipe and smoke it and went hardcore renegade (love the evil red eyes).

Hate Cerberus too so I do whatever I can to ****** TIM  off (personally, I think the bastard isn't human, what with the funky eyes and a comment he makes about 'you humans...'). Gonna rip Cerberus off if I get the chance . If TIM has a problem with that, all the better. Hope i get a shot at the creep.

I have a job to do - kill reapers - and even god ain't gonna be able to help any idiot who gets in my way.

[Annora]

So. much. hate.

[GodWood]

I'm no paragon but I do believe aliens and humans should be treated equally and work together in order to keep galactic stability.

At the end of ME1 I saved the council and elected Udina as a representitive of humanity, my opinions on Cerberus were simply "Not to be trusted".

However by the end of ME2 I'd simply lost faith in the council as with the coming Reaper threat I just don't see them actually having the guts and wits to make reckless decisons in order to do whats best for the galaxy (look at the hanar thing on the Cerberus network), so even though I disagree with Cerberus's morals and their plans for humanity's advancement I can't help but see them as a needed ally for the coming Reaper invasion.





Thats evidence of Bioware being excellent story tellers.

[Tamcia]

I justify the council. They are politicians after all. I'm glad I gave Anderson the council seat, as he has military background.

What they told was true, what they bas their decision is logical.

Player are confusing that what they saw/witnessed/heard is also common knowledge for others. No one else saw Vigil on Illos, no one else spoke to Sovereign. There really is no evidence about a reaper fleet in dark space.

People who are in charge/leaders usually don't base their decisions on guesswork, which is what Shephard is asking for.

Think about the preset, meaning real life. Would you believe a famous person who said there is an allien fleet in space, that is coming to destroy earth, because he "saw/heard/had a vision" etc. You would think he lost it.

Doing the right thing is NEVER easy, thats why people choose the easy way - renegade, and I mean its more funny, like hitting a reporter, shooting Conrad in the foot, stabbing a mechanic and telling him "you work too hard", thus getting less HP on boss, other quick scenes taht make the fight easier, like disrupting the Krogan warlord speech on Tuchanka or shooting tank in Miranda loyalty mission. To me its the easy way.

Paragon is more about moral/ethical choices, do the right thing, even if you don't get the reward. Like turning in that volus to police in Samara recruitment mission, where he even tells you that you won't get anything, but could get money from him etc. Having a coll head, helping out your team (like stopping them from shooting someone).

I take paragon not because of some rewards (as if there are any lol), but because I believe its the right thing to do, so even if the options were not lit as blue/red I'd still go for the moral/ethical one.
Same for council - I completely understand their position and I don't expect them to trust me that a mechanic race called reapers, that wipe out all intelligent life every 50,000 years are coming in massive fleet from dark-space - dam I would sound like a madman.

Modifié par Tamcia, 14 février 2010 - 08:44 .

[tykfa1990]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Virginian wrote...

Council gives you nothing but grief and makes you pay for everything out of your own pocket.

Cerberus gives you just about everything you need for the mission. Free, better, & luxurious ship, free guns, free armor (dlc), another lease on life.

I am not seeing where Cerberus is bad.

Really?

1. Massacre at Akuze
2. Killing Admiral Kohaku and his men
3. Being terrorists (and even ADDMITTING IT!) 
4. Being Anti-Alien/Human Supremecists
5. Wanting to use the Collector Base (I don't trust TIM will use it to save the galaxy, only to ENSLAVE THE GALAXY!)
6. Having a hand in the Rachni and Thorian Creeper incidents.
7. The Reaper IFF trap!!!

C'mon, the List could probably go on!

EDIT: The Council IMHO, is foolish, yes... but not EVIL! That is where Cerberus fails. I'd rather work with the Council than with Cerberus.

Actually, there are only 2 galactic forces that I would consider most helpful in next ME. Those would be the united krogan clans ( they would go to fight the reapers just for fun, also Wrex is completelly by my side in this conflict ).
The other force that would be helpful could be Quarian fleet.
Quarians surely are gratefull to me for getting Alarei back, I have Tali by my side ( she can help persuade them ), and they don't really have to fight. They would be the best choice if there would be a need to evacuate civilians form planet's endangered by Reapers. If they were able to hold Shepard's team onboard without any casualties amongst Quarians. They could easily customize some ships to transport much people and holding life suport systems for them.

The council altrought, could be of assistance on the front line, they have Turian war technologies.
Also the Legion's followers ( aka the ones that think like him ), they could be of assistance in the most dangerous, suicide-like missions. They can always build more moving platforms and copy geth program from the damaged one.

[GreenDragon37]

Tamcia wrote...

I justify the council. They are politics after all. I'm glad I gave Anderson the council seat, as he has military background.

What they told was true, what they bas their decision is logical.

Player are confusing that what they saw/witnessed/heard is also common knowledge for others. No one else saw Vigil on Illos, no one else spoke to Sovereign. There really is no evidence about a reaper fleet in dark space.

People who are in charge/leaders usually don't base their decisions on guesswork, which is what Shephard is asking for.

Think about the preset, meaning real life. Would you believe a famous person who said there is an allien fleet in space, that is coming to destroy earth, because he "saw/heard/had a vision" etc. You would think he lost it.

Doing the right thing is NEVER easy, thats why people choose the easy way - renegade, and I mean its more funny, like hitting a reporter, shooting Conrad in the foot, stabbing a mechanic and telling him "you work too hard", thus getting less HP on boss, other quick scenes taht make the fight easier, like disrupting the Krogan warlord speech on Tuchanka or shooting tank in Miranda loyalty mission. To me its the easy way.

Paragon is more about moral/ethical choices, do the right thing, even if you don't get the reward. Like turning in that volus to police in Samara recruitment mission, where he even tells you that you won't get anything, but could get money from him etc. Having a coll head, helping out your team (like stopping them from shooting someone).

I take paragon not because of some rewards (as if there are any lol), but because I believe its the right thing to do, so even if the options were not lit as blue/red I'd still go for the moral/ethical one.
Same for council - I completely understand their position and I don't expect them to trust me that a mechanic race called reapers, that wipe out all intelligent life every 50,000 years are coming in massive fleet from dark-space - dam I would sound like a madman.

You sir, speak the truth! It's ugly... but it's the truth.

[tykfa1990]

GodWood wrote...

I'm no paragon but I do believe aliens and humans should be treated equally and work together in order to keep galactic stability.
At the end of ME1 I saved the council and elected Udina as a representitive of humanity, my opinions on Cerberus were simply "Not to be trusted".
However by the end of ME2 I'd simply lost faith in the council as with the coming Reaper threat I just don't see them actually having the guts and wits to make reckless decisons in order to do whats best for the galaxy (look at the hanar thing on the Cerberus network), so even though I disagree with Cerberus's morals and their plans for humanity's advancement I can't help but see them as a needed ally for the coming Reaper invasion.


Thats evidence of Bioware being excellent story tellers.

It seems so . The very fact we discuss such situation, and speculate so much fortifies your theory.

[GreenDragon37]

Doing the right thing is hard... but in the end, it can be very rewarding.

[Solarias25]

I'm gonna have to go with joker on this one, "i don't trust anyone that makes more money than i do." Great line. Anyway, I trust the Council to be the Council and pretty much to do nothing and i trust that Cerberus, TIM in particular, will stab me in the back the first chance he gets.

[Hopefulness]

GreenDragon37:

8.Blowing up a quarian ship to get 1 human biotic (i think)

9. The collector ship. Wait..... TIM decides not to inform me of it's trapish nature because there might be a traitor (in his personally selected dossier of people) who is planning to sell out current galactic life? I don't buy it



As for the council talking about a lack of reaper evidence: there are so many repeated 'galactic extinction event' hints (hell even liara found a few in ME1 before shepard turned up) to warrant them giving me some under the table support. Or even do some independent inquiries of their own.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I don't trust any of the factions really. Perhaps Legion and Tali can get the geth and Quarians into at least a cease fire. Likely unrealistic, but it would make for a cool alliance if the writers can make the story work. United Krogans would be pretty cool too, as others have said. The council and turian stooges and Cerberus as well could sit and spin if you could get those three groups as allies. T.I.M. betrays Shepard way too much...though Martin Sheen is cool, so I hope he's back in ME 3. 

[Archilochos]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Virginian wrote...

Council gives you nothing but grief and makes you pay for everything out of your own pocket.

Cerberus gives you just about everything you need for the mission. Free, better, & luxurious ship, free guns, free armor (dlc), another lease on life.

I am not seeing where Cerberus is bad.

Really?

1. Massacre at Akuze
2. Killing Admiral Kohaku and his men
3. Being terrorists (and even ADDMITTING IT!) 
4. Being Anti-Alien/Human Supremecists
5. Wanting to use the Collector Base (I don't trust TIM will use it to save the galaxy, only to ENSLAVE THE GALAXY!)
6. Having a hand in the Rachni and Thorian Creeper incidents.
7. The Reaper IFF trap!!!

C'mon, the List could probably go on!

EDIT: The Council IMHO, is foolish, yes... but not EVIL! That is where Cerberus fails. I'd rather work with the Council than with Cerberus.

Let's not forget one of Miranda's early conversations, in which she describes Cerberus as "Not as evil as people think."  Not AS evil.  As in, "Hi, I'm Miranda, dedicated member of Cerberus, and while we ARE evil, we're not AS evil as you think."  (tagline: Cerberus.  The lesser of two evils.)  Also, Jacob: "They've been called terrorists, and with good reason.  You won't find a more checkered past."

Now that I think of it, the whole "Screw this red tape!  TIM gets things done!"  really just reminds me of the old Italian fascist defense of Mussolini: "He made the trains run on time."  Face it - the only reason to work with Cerberus if you know anything about them is exactly the reason Shep works with them - there's no one else out there.  It's work with TIM, or next stop Reapertown.

[Thalinor00]

Pure Pent ME1 and I let the council die anyway, it needed to be done.  I am glad I did after playing ME2.  ME2 I was pure Pent too and would do it again in ME3 if it comes up.  You dont have to be Reng to hate the council.  The Alliance is a different thing.  You can be pro Alliance and NOT pro council.

Modifié par Thalinor00, 14 février 2010 - 09:44 .

[Valaky]

Seems that people find them a jerk. I runned some tests to see what the difference was between Renegade and Paragon decision on the Rachni. Both lead to to the same: Physical destruction of Shepard. When you Choose renegade the Turian says: "Commiting genocide, you enjoy that?". When you chose Paragone you get: "Letting one of the biggest galaxy thread lose?" Kinda ends up with the same moral destruction.

The council only makes you stronger. Myself am a volunteer firefighter, I saw death, much blood, extreme pain, losing a teammate IRL, getting shouted at because I did a brainless move to save someone but put other people at risk. All those things only makes you stronger. The council see everything from a totall different view. You have either the choice to s*ck their complains up and turn the page. Or start opposing them with possible bad results afterwards. You're the one who fights, you're the one on the terrain, you're the one in control, you have the power, you know the truth, and the media is there to spread the truth. The council is behind a desk, all they do is read, point their fingers, seek an error to complain about to show you that they are still boss even if they blindly follow you. Now Also keep in mind they have to make decisions that could affect billions of life, they cannot affort doing mistakes or letting mistakes happen. They trusted you blindly in ME1, they didn't do anything except complaining when you released/killed the Rachni. The council are very wise, both Shepard and Council are right all the time.
TIM for me is just a backdoor. A resource I abused to keep my loyalty at the side of the council. For me Cerberus isn't humanity as TIM mentioned in the game so I don't feel like I have abused the human race. For some terrorist are hero's for others monsters, it all depends on what side you truly are. Follow your instinct, that's what makes "you"

Modifié par Valaky, 14 février 2010 - 09:48 .

[Gill Kaiser]

I'm a Paragade but leaning Paragon in terms of big choices. ME2 made me dislike the Council more than I did in ME1, but I still don't hate them, I just think they're short sighted. At this point I think Shepard is bigger than the Council anyway, so them not believing me didn't bother me too much. At least Anderson is on my side.

I was happy to accept my Spectre status back. As Shepard says, might as well stay on good terms.