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[SithLordExarKun]

People are just afraid of the changes and get go ape**** when it gets implemented. I thought the changes made the game better.



The inventory in the first game was whack and i didn't really like the shooting either. At least ME2 improved on this part(for me at least.)

[TheTWF]

Asgorath_ wrote...

The reason you see so many negative posts on the forum is because the people who like the game are busy playing it.

Also forum pops are at most 10% of the playerbase.

Don't be too concerned OP.

[kiyyto]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

It's just a small group of people who keep bashing the game with the same tired old arguments. Don't worry, at some point they will find something else to fill their pathetic, hollow lives with, and Bioware can move on with some REAL imput from the people who know what they are talking about.

lol, yeah they probably will.
They will move on with about 1/4 less people too, that is just an estimate.
If BioWare is lining up all the rest of there games to be a rip downed version of what they used to offer (which is what ME2 is), then they'll find even less people following them.

There isn't anything wrong with taking a negative opinion on something. I don't understand why someone people feel the need to justify the obvious degradation of this series. The people complaining on these boards REALLY LIKED MASS EFFECT. No one here wants to see the series or the developer tarnished, but it is just a fact that ME2 offers less than ME.

I'm actually getting sick of saying this.
I don't have a personal feeling about this company or the game. The game is alright, not the worst, certainly not the best. It just is not a good sequel to Mass Effect. It doesn't produce the same feeling as a player, not at all.

I suppose that all the people professing their love for the sequel here and talking trash probably didn't like Mass Effect all that much. It is kinda hard to tell, so early, who is right.

[ToastyToci]

No there is not THAT much hate. The reason we think that is because every hater makes a new thread. Every hater doesn't play the game and decides to whine on the forums. People who do not hate the game, play the game instead of posting on the forums.

[Johnson45]

Give it 3 months, the majority of the whiners will be gone and most of the old forum population will be back on after having a great time on ME2

[fieldmob742]

The thing that disappointed me most was the lack of inventory. Yes I know the first game had a bad inventory but they don't need to remove it completely. And before you say i suck at shooters, i love that they added more shooting to the game but they didn't need to take out all the good rpg stuff that was included in the first one.

[fieldmob742]

The thing that disappointed me most was the lack of inventory. Yes I know the first game had a bad inventory but they don't need to remove it completely. And before you say i suck at shooters, i love that they added more shooting to the game but they didn't need to take out all the good rpg stuff that was included in the first one.

[fieldmob742]

The thing that disappointed me most was the lack of inventory. Yes I know the first game had a bad inventory but they don't need to remove it completely. And before you say i suck at shooters, i love that they added more shooting to the game but they didn't need to take out all the good rpg stuff that was included in the first one.

[fieldmob742]

The thing that disappointed me most was the lack of inventory. Yes I know the first game had a bad inventory but they don't need to remove it completely. And before you say i suck at shooters, i love that they added more shooting to the game but they didn't need to take out all the good rpg stuff that was included in the first one.

Modifié par fieldmob742, 29 janvier 2010 - 06:22 .

[fieldmob742]

WTF steam browser made me quadruple post

[hitorihanzo]

noisecode wrote...

   Should we be concerned with all the hate towards Mass Effect 2?

  I have the game, and I absolutely love it, yes.  I'm almost ashamed to say how many hours I've already put into it (30 some odd across 3 days lol ) But i know Bioware is receptive to it's fans suggestions, and I for one like all the improvements that were made over mass effect 1.    I'm just hoping all the nay sayers don't influence future design descions.

   Here's hoping Bioware does'nt back pedal for Mass Effect 3.

I'm not worried in the least.  There are enough people here that are refuting those same people that it doesn't seem to be lopsided.

And game developers know that you can't please everyone all of the time.  They don't try if you notice.  The reason that BioWare made changes to Mass Effect was because a lot of people- the vast majority. even people that loved that game (like me), thought that while it was incredible, there were things wrong with it.   The jaded opinions of a few complainers online isn't going to register much, especially when you compare it to the amount of games they have probably already sold, and the sheer number of great reviews from the press, both mainstream and alternative.  You know, people who actually know what they're talking about.  There is a difference between an opinon, and an informed opinon.  Everyone is entitled to one or the other, but only a few people have both.

Modifié par hitorihanzo, 29 janvier 2010 - 06:28 .

[Daeion]

noisecode wrote...

   Should we be concerned with all the hate towards Mass Effect 2?

  I have the game, and I absolutely love it, yes.  I'm almost ashamed to say how many hours I've already put into it (30 some odd across 3 days lol ) But i know Bioware is receptive to it's fans suggestions, and I for one like all the improvements that were made over mass effect 1.    I'm just hoping all the nay sayers don't influence future design descions.

   Here's hoping Bioware does'nt back pedal for Mass Effect 3.

You mean like the nay sayers influenced the design of ME2 and ruined the game for a lot of us?  People are entitled to their opinion and it's up to BW to decide if they want to listen to anyone and if they want to listen to their core RPG fan base that kept them in business all those years or if they want to say screw you and listen to the more mainstream players which represent a larger portion of the gamer market.

Modifié par Daeion, 29 janvier 2010 - 06:30 .

[zmortis1]

I find that is it usually several factors which lead to complaints. Sometimes one or more of these come into play:

1. A game is heavily touted by the industry - this leads people who prefer another game type to bash the newcomer in order to defend their prefered form of gaming play in hopes that another just like it will be produced instead of something different. A number of the "hardcore" Baldur's Gate fans fall into this category. The "glory days" of Baldur's Gate and it's ilk are over. System performance and general casual gamer tastes have kept that form of play in the nitch hardcore market, and companies strugling for market share in tough economic times are not going to waste a ME-2 sized budget on a nitch market no matter how much critical acclaim and hardcore fan devotion exists.

2. Internet = Trolls at play. Trolls exist to cause turmoil in the internet community, whether it be discussing politics, religion, or games. Anything that people may care about or enjoy a troll will derive pleasure by angering those people with sensless assaults on the topic. The solution is to not feed the trolls.

3. People with legitimate technical issues disappointed in a product. Even ME-2 has had some noted technical glitches. Most product does not ship bulletproof to run on all forms of hardware and software seamlessly. This is a fact of life in the modern software and hardware environment. The best you can hope for is a company that will patch and support a product adequately after release.

4. People so emotionally invested in their choice of product that any perceived criticism of the product is taken as a personal attack on them. Legitimate criticism of ME-2 (like most products) does exist. Even many of the "professional" critics sited on MetaCritic have noted the tedious nature of planet mineral scanning for example. However just because ME-2 is not universally considered the holy grail of gaming doesn't mean you need to defend what many people perceive as it's flaws, or conversely excessively attack what is patently obvious to most players. The question is not whether a product is flawless, it is whether a product is enjoyable for its target audience in spite of its flaws. The general consensus in the case of ME-2 for most people is yes the game is enjoyable.

5. "I spent $60 on this game and it sucks *ss! I'll never buy another EA product. Anyone who likes it is therefore stupid." - My response is that this kind of person is a foolish consumer who is trying to save face because they bought a product in a rush of "me too" enthusiasm without understanding whether they were the target demographic for the product. If you don't like sports games, they why would you go buy Madden 2010 because twenty million other people thought it was the greatest thing on ice. I advise these people to better understand their likes and dislikes and make better informed consumer choices instead of rushing to inevitable disapointment. A little bit of advanced research doesn't hurt when gaming funds are tight.

6. "Grognard Curmudgeon with golden era syndrome" - "When I was playing the only real RPG Dungeons and Dragons back in 1978 that was the best it ever got. All these p*ssy computer RPGs and MMOs have failed to capture the true spirit of pen and paper gaming where real freedom of imagination existed. . ." (I tend to fall in this category at times because I'm relatively old compaired to the average console playing market and prone to romatasize the not really "good old days".) In the case of Bioware games this is pointing the finger at the "Baldur's Gate" is the pinacle of RPGs crowd. While I enjoyed Baldur's Gate and its sequals, that doesn't take away from the current accomplishments of Bioware, it only gives them a bit of history.

My overall advice is to keep legitimate criticism focused and to the point. Don't engage in needless flame wars. Respect that other people may have a legitimate opinion even if you don't share it. Avoid giving food to the trolls. Ignoring them or not taking their bait is usually the best course of action.

I hope this helps.

Edit:  I forgot to add -

7.  Fear of change  -  "I wanted an all new Mass Effect, but I didn't want them to change anything from the original."  Game design is an itterative process with series games.  Plenty of times a publisher/developer learns of issues many people had with a product, and attempt to addess what they perceive as the key issues to "improve" the game in the next itteration.  This inevitably draws a share of criticism and complaints because they changed a generally successful formula.  The company can only hope their own internal guidance on interpreting the issues doesn't lead them down a bad path until the point the changes are perceived by the gaming public.

p.s. for my own opinion I have approximately 25 solid hours of playing ME-2 in now and have found the game enjoyable for my perfered play style in spite of a few hicups and noticeable techincal flaws.  I am looking forward to finishing it, and the eventual release of ME-3.

Modifié par zmortis1, 29 janvier 2010 - 08:18 .

[WillyPete2171]

RogueAI wrote...

The hate is justified. Although, that is such a strong word to use when all I've seen is criticism.

I'm enjoying the game, but there are many flaws, yet a fanboy like yourself would assume I hate the game.

The fanboys need to bring down their defence of the game. People asked for improvements in the systems from Mass Effect 1, not to remove them entirely.

I guess you are referring to me, but it doesn't matter as this is a general reply.  I never considered myself a fan boy, but that's what one is labeled if you say you enjoy it...  Id say that anyone who has the time and energy to sign up to the forums and write makes then a fan boy regardless of whether they say they like the game or not.  I have yet found a game & forum where people have overwhelmingly said its a good game...  name a game that's supposed to have been a hit, and you will find a lot of negativety.  what's a good game then?  are there any really good games out there? ever?  as far as I can tell, there are really no good games if you were to read all the negative comments from the negative people...