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[Arcite550]

 So, over the course of the game every time a collector is possessed by Harbinger he always throwing these lines out such as

"Leave Shepards body intact"

"I want Shepard alive"

That kind of stuff and then the fact the collectors cruiser has been onto his trail and basically stalking him all that time, makes me want to know why... I know he was a key part of taking out a Reaper and that he was sucessfull 
in surviving the SR1's fate... kinda

My question is why does Harbinger want him alive?

My own little assumption to this is the Reapers seem to be able to get into the extranet via "agents" and they would have known that Shepard did die in the SR1's destruction. Im thinking he wants to know how Shepard is alive again despite the odds of the death he had.... I dunno

Anyways thats my guess, any other theories on what is going on here?

[xThunderblazex]

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They want his genetic material.

[rumination888]

xThunderblazex wrote...

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They want his genetic material.

Thats what she said.

[Ilawene]

Maybe they want Shep as Saren 2.0

[Tattters]

rumination888 wrote...

xThunderblazex wrote...

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They want his genetic material.

Thats what she said.

That was pretty good.

[Bryy_Miller]

Also: the Reapers think they are SAVING the galaxy?

[AlienFromBeyond]

It's possible they know of some greater threat coming from another galaxy, and they create additional Reapers in each cycle of extinction to have enough numbers ready to protect our galaxy. Well, they would say their galaxy.

[Corti78]

AlienFromBeyond wrote...

It's possible they know of some greater threat coming from another galaxy, and they create additional Reapers in each cycle of extinction to have enough numbers ready to protect our galaxy. Well, they would say their galaxy.

I've actually been thinking of something similar. As said near the end it seems the reapers choose one race from the ones existing at the time to become the next reaper. A race they believe is worthy of becoming a reaper. They then proceed to wipe out the rest. There has to be some motivation or reason for this. Just talking to Sovereign you think it was mindless killing but Harbinger makes it seem to be much more.

[Arquibus]

It occurred to me that the Collectors were making the new Reaper out of humans because a human destroyed Sovereign. It stands to reason that if the essence of the race that is used has anything to do with the Reaper it creates, they would want to use the strongest race possible. And it also stands to reason that Shepard, as the individual most responsible for Sovereign's fate, would be very desirable to include in the creation of the new Human Reaper, perhaps as some center consciousness that forms the construct's mind. Anyway, that was what I came up with about it.

[Keltoris]

Arquibus wrote...

It occurred to me that the Collectors were making the new Reaper out of humans because a human destroyed Sovereign. It stands to reason that if the essence of the race that is used has anything to do with the Reaper it creates, they would want to use the strongest race possible. And it also stands to reason that Shepard, as the individual most responsible for Sovereign's fate, would be very desirable to include in the creation of the new Human Reaper, perhaps as some center consciousness that forms the construct's mind. Anyway, that was what I came up with about it.

This.

I reckon they only go recruiting when a race proves "worthy".

And my want for Harbinger? Assassin-Cloaked Warp-Ammo Widow round to the face. We're talking 1shot on Normal, prossibly harder.

[CrazySockpuppetMan]

Arquibus wrote...

It occurred to me that the Collectors were making the new Reaper out of humans because a human destroyed Sovereign. It stands to reason that if the essence of the race that is used has anything to do with the Reaper it creates, they would want to use the strongest race possible. And it also stands to reason that Shepard, as the individual most responsible for Sovereign's fate, would be very desirable to include in the creation of the new Human Reaper, perhaps as some center consciousness that forms the construct's mind. Anyway, that was what I came up with about it.

I take this a different angle: If you are an evil race of AI machines you'd want to do something purely evil, like creating a reaper out of their own people to use against them. Demoralizing, effective, and could be used to turn council races against the humans (IE Human reaper attacks only council races, council races think humans are doing this because they aren't being hurt, council all turns on humans- end result: dead humans, weakened council races, and easy reaper conquest for the fleet). As far as wanting shepard alive I'm going with they want to indoctrinate him and strike a huge demoralizing blow (only person to beat reapers is now serving reapers).

I'm guessing the reapers are a hive conscious and any new reaper they build would be built with the DNA of one race but have the conscious of the reapers. If it wasn't for a hive conscious I would have expected a race as hate filled as the reapers to have destroyed themselves in some civil war.
They think they are perfect, they think they are gods, they aren't looking for equals or recruits. But thats just my take

I like what you came up with though Arquibus, i just like my version a bit better 

[Homebound]

[quote]CrazySockpuppetMan wrote...

[quote]Arquibus wrote...

They think they are perfect, they think they are gods,

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A dead god can dream.

Anyone else find that message?

[Chrisimo79]

Humans are compatible with Reapers. That's why we see Husks and Scions. Those are the first experiments of combining Humans and Reaper 'DNA'. And that's why the Reapers try to build more Reapers from Humans. Protheans were not compatible and that's why they were genetically modified to be slaves. Other species are probably incompatible with Reapers as well.

[Arcite550]

@Chrisimo: We know that, but if they are all powerful only losing a ship or so why would they care to even make new ones, from the end we saw that they have more than enough ships to dominate.... but then again they still have to shut down the mass relays

[hawat333]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Also: the Reapers think they are SAVING the galaxy?

Depends on the point of view. If you ask the whales, they'd probably say that wiping out humanity saves Earth.

[VettoRyouzou]

xThunderblazex wrote...

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They want his genetic material.

But ... but my shep left it with tali D:.

[Keltoris]

hawat333 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Also: the Reapers think they are SAVING the galaxy?

Depends on the point of view. If you ask the whales, they'd probably say that wiping out humanity saves Earth.

I think everything bar domestic pets would say that.

[Levowitz]

Illusive Man is Harbinger, or an agent of Harbinger. That is why Illusive Man brought Shepard back. That is why he wanted Jack to leave the station intact. It's why the IFF lured the Collectors to the Normandy, and why the Illusive Man lied about a lack of Collectors when they entered the derelict Collector hulk.

[Giantevilhead]

It's logical to assume that Harbinger wanted Shepard because it wants to know how he's still alive. Otherwise, why didn't he just have the Collectors take his body after they destroyed the first Normandy?

[Aeoneth]

Actually if we include the comic from the CE in it it shows the collectors trying to find Shepard's body whilst he's dead.... just something interesting

[packardbell]

They want the genetic material of basically the damned human in the galaxy, that's worth more then a few thousand colonists I bet.

[Badpie]

xThunderblazex wrote...

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They want his genetic material.

Well geez.  They didn't have to abduct half the galaxy.  Couldn't they have just handed him a magazine and a cup?

[Litos456]

Yeah I think they wanted to put his dna into the uber terminator that they were building.

[Inverness Moon]

Giantevilhead wrote...

It's logical to assume that Harbinger wanted Shepard because it wants to know how he's still alive. Otherwise, why didn't he just have the Collectors take his body after they destroyed the first Normandy?

Harbinger is trying to get ahold of Shepard's body in Mass Effect: Redemption.

[Fuzzyrabbit]

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Humans are compatible with Reapers. That's why we see Husks and Scions. Those are the first experiments of combining Humans and Reaper 'DNA'. And that's why the Reapers try to build more Reapers from Humans. Protheans were not compatible and that's why they were genetically modified to be slaves. Other species are probably incompatible with Reapers as well.

This is an interesting note. I wonder if the husks are some sort of prototype or test used to determine the effectiveness of a species' transformation into a reaper? It might explain why they made so many, to record results and continually make improvements to the process.

This means that in ME1 the Collectors and Reapers were already considering humans for Reaper material. That's why you don't see husks of other species. Even Saren wasn't a husk, he was simply controlled through his implants, and even with a reaper powering him he wasn't much of a challenge to take down because he wasn't that compatible.