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[screwoffreg]

Levowitz wrote...

Illusive Man is Harbinger, or an agent of Harbinger. That is why Illusive Man brought Shepard back. That is why he wanted Jack to leave the station intact. It's why the IFF lured the Collectors to the Normandy, and why the Illusive Man lied about a lack of Collectors when they entered the derelict Collector hulk.

In that case, why worry about Reaper tech at all when he would have access to it? I just think Cerebreus wants to build humanity an Empire...

I like at the end there really is no clear Renegade or Paragon choice as there was in ME 1 (save council or let them die).  Cerebreus could be really evil, yes, or ultimately he may be the best friend Shepherd has...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 29 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[sodacatkun]

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Humans are compatible with Reapers. That's why we see Husks and Scions. Those are the first experiments of combining Humans and Reaper 'DNA'. And that's why the Reapers try to build more Reapers from Humans. Protheans were not compatible and that's why they were genetically modified to be slaves. Other species are probably incompatible with Reapers as well.

what if the illusive man is a reaper

[Inverness Moon]

The idea that TIM is Harbinger or an agent of Harbinger is disproved by the events in Mass Effect: Redemption.

[sodacatkun]

SwobyJ wrote...

TIM spent a lot of $$$ on Shep because he thinks he can send Shep anywhere.

spoilers







he wanted shep as a sex slave

[DocSun]

Inverness Moon wrote...

The idea that TIM is Harbinger or an agent of Harbinger is disproved by the events in Mass Effect: Redemption.

That may be so... but I still dont trust his eyes.... damn those are not natural... and that smile at the end if you give him the tower... I got it.... HE MADE THE REAPERS and he is Imortal thats how he has so many resources XD

[Barker673]

Some of you guys should read the books and the parts of the comic available to you, it really helps fleshing things out. That or read the wiki. TIM has apparently near infinite resources because Cord-Hislop Aerospace is a front for Cerberus, essentially that is like having Boeing funneling money into your secret organisation, plus I'm sure Cerberus has many other foundations and fronts, not to mention people like Miranda's father donating heavily.



And in the new novel coming out Paul Grayson is "installed" with Reaper tech, likely taken from the Collector base, or remnants of it, despite what choice you made. As for Harbinger, and what it wants with Shepard, who knows, but I can't wait to find out.

[Giantevilhead]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

It's logical to assume that Harbinger wanted Shepard because it wants to know how he's still alive. Otherwise, why didn't he just have the Collectors take his body after they destroyed the first Normandy?

Harbinger is trying to get ahold of Shepard's body in Mass Effect: Redemption.

But that would imply that Cerberus possesses technology that is more advanced than the Collectors or even the Reapers if Cerberus could find Shepard long after the destruction of the Normandy when his body has floated to who knows where while the Collectors couldn't find him right after they destroyed the Normandy when his body would be close to the wreckage.

[LucidStrike]

CrazySockpuppetMan wrote...

I take this a different angle: If you are an evil race of AI machines you'd want to do something purely evil, like creating a reaper out of their own people to use against them. Demoralizing, effective, and could be used to turn council races against the humans (IE Human reaper attacks only council races, council races think humans are doing this because they aren't being hurt, council all turns on humans- end result: dead humans, weakened council races, and easy reaper conquest for the fleet). As far as wanting shepard alive I'm going with they want to indoctrinate him and strike a huge demoralizing blow (only person to beat reapers is now serving reapers).

I'm guessing the reapers are a hive conscious and any new reaper they build would be built with the DNA of one race but have the conscious of the reapers. If it wasn't for a hive conscious I would have expected a race as hate filled as the reapers to have destroyed themselves in some civil war.
They think they are perfect, they think they are gods, they aren't looking for equals or recruits. But thats just my take

I like what you came up with though Arquibus, i just like my version a bit better 

Pretty much my thoughts. I think they picked humanity out of exceptional hatred, not because they think humans are "worthy".

[Voods07]

xThunderblazex wrote...

Spoilers:




They want his genetic material.

The only person who got/is getting my genetic material is Tali.




...in her womb...

[Mr. Gerbz]

I think the reapers' objective is preserving the galaxy. If races breed indefinitely, there will eventually (even though it may take billions of years) be overpopulation, or perhaps the destruction of the galaxy because of huge galaxy-wide wars.



If they don't fully annihilate a race, that race will be prepared for the reapers next time. And they wait 50.000 years each time so that there's been enough time for the race(s) to have adjusted to the use of the reaper technology, not to mention perhaps invented technology the reapers might be interested in.

[CSM31]

Barker673 wrote...

Some of you guys should read the books and the parts of the comic available to you, it really helps fleshing things out. That or read the wiki. TIM has apparently near infinite resources because Cord-Hislop Aerospace is a front for Cerberus, essentially that is like having Boeing funneling money into your secret organisation, plus I'm sure Cerberus has many other foundations and fronts, not to mention people like Miranda's father donating heavily.

And in the new novel coming out Paul Grayson is "installed" with Reaper tech, likely taken from the Collector base, or remnants of it, despite what choice you made. As for Harbinger, and what it wants with Shepard, who knows, but I can't wait to find out.

Another possibility is that the new novel takes place in the 2 year gap and some of the technology used on Shepard is tested on Grayson first

[HunterX6]

AlienFromBeyond wrote...

It's possible they know of some greater threat coming from another galaxy, and they create additional Reapers in each cycle of extinction to have enough numbers ready to protect our galaxy. Well, they would say their galaxy.

that would be awesome.

[jsog]

few things... SPOILERS SPOILERS...

The Illusive Man is not the Shadow Broker, and while he may be a pawn of the Reapers, if he is, he is NOT associated directly with the Collectors - he competes with the Shadow Broker (who is hired by the Collectors) to obtain Shep's body - if he was really just in league with them that would be unnecessary.

It is likely that Shep's genetic material is important for reasons way beyond the whole "he's back to life." I suspect we may find out why in ME3, but it could just be that the reason he could assemble such a crazy team and defeat a reaper basically twice has to do with him being the most advanced human or somesuch.

Also, it would appear that the Reapers "choose" species to reproduce more Reapers, and that they feel that is the highest forum of ascension. It is likely that the Reapers were originally created by a species on the edge of eradication of themselves and/or the galaxy, so they sacrificed themselves together to create a superbeing of some kind. That superbeing then purged the galaxy of all sentience, thereby "saving" the galaxy. This process was repeated every so often in order to "cleanse" the galaxy. They periodically choose a species to ascend and bring about the end of the galaxy. Humans was this cycle's species. Basically like what Mr. Gerbz said above.

I dunno. Interested to see how it plays out in ME3

Modifié par jsog, 30 janvier 2010 - 02:08 .

[agrue]

Harbinger is the hidden romance option for ME2.

[Myrmedus]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

I think the reapers' objective is preserving the galaxy. If races breed indefinitely, there will eventually (even though it may take billions of years) be overpopulation, or perhaps the destruction of the galaxy because of huge galaxy-wide wars.

If they don't fully annihilate a race, that race will be prepared for the reapers next time. And they wait 50.000 years each time so that there's been enough time for the race(s) to have adjusted to the use of the reaper technology, not to mention perhaps invented technology the reapers might be interested in.

This.

It's also an idea I had back when this forum was on the Mass Effect website, before ME2 came out. Alot of things that Sovereign says suggest they're trying to 'safeguard' civilization by restricting it from going out of control. It's possible the Reapers were one such species that went out of control and became the Reapers in order to a) survive and to stop any future species from falling into the same trap.

Purely on the topic though it not only seems that Harbinger wants Shepard's DNA but he's going to GREAT lengths to get it...and another of his quotes says it's his destiny or something. Honestly they must truly think they're doing us a favour? If I'm going to be a giant cyborg God I'm not sharing my home with ANYONE else so screw being one amongst millions! My body, my mind, noone elses!

[DarthCaine]

Levowitz wrote...

Illusive Man is Harbinger, or an agent of Harbinger. That is why Illusive Man brought Shepard back. That is why he wanted Jack to leave the station intact. It's why the IFF lured the Collectors to the Normandy, and why the Illusive Man lied about a lack of Collectors when they entered the derelict Collector hulk.

And why TIM allowed Shepard to stop the Collectors and destroy the Human Reaper?

[DarkNova50]

Maybe they wanted to liquify Shepard and use him as the new Reaper's brain or something.

[Thalorin1919]

So it seems like alot of people have come to the conclusion that the Reapers create ANOTHER reaper out of a race they deem worthy. Such as the human reaper, since humans killed a reaper.

My question is, does anyone think that the...thing a Reaper physically looks like right now ever a race?

[kappukiino]

Hmmm i figured they'd want shepherds genetic material or just.. have him alive for whatever evul things they can do..

And would it be possible that they ordered Collectors to build a new reaper, from the race that killed the last reaper in order to retake the galaxy..?

I mean they failed earlier and they no longer had a reaper like Sovereign hanging around, they could use someone to reopen the mass relays for the others..

What bothers me is that, if they had collectors all this time, why didn't they use them with the Geth and Saren?
I can imagine those Collector ships wouldve done major damage..

And srsly TIM is an AI or something, im sure hes gonna be totally evil in ME3.. his eyes bother me, makes me think hes some AI programmed to turn back on the humanity when the times right or some ****..

Modifié par kappukiino, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:52 .

[xMister Vx]

DarthCaine wrote...

And why TIM allowed Shepard to stop the Collectors and destroy the Human Reaper?

If each Reaper is a nation in itself, couldn't there be conflicting factions among the Reapers? They seem to be pretty individualistic beings. Hell, Harbinger already had pretty different methods from Sovereign.
I wouldn't go as far as to say the Illusive Man is someone's pawn though. Yes, The Man Behind The Man may show itself sooner or later, but they wouldn't take it that far... at least I don't think he's willingly a servant of some Reaper. He may be playing to their tune without knowing it.

[Sailears]

jsog wrote...

few things... SPOILERS SPOILERS...


.......
Also, it would appear that the Reapers "choose" species to reproduce more Reapers, and that they feel that is the highest forum of ascension. It is likely that the Reapers were originally created by a species on the edge of eradication of themselves and/or the galaxy, so they sacrificed themselves together to create a superbeing of some kind. That superbeing then purged the galaxy of all sentience, thereby "saving" the galaxy. This process was repeated every so often in order to "cleanse" the galaxy. They periodically choose a species to ascend and bring about the end of the galaxy. Humans was this cycle's species. Basically like what Mr. Gerbz said above.

I dunno. Interested to see how it plays out in ME3

I like that idea.