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[JudgeQwerty]

In the first game, you worked for a well-meaning group forced to deal with a truly outrageous possibility. I mean, really, giant space squids that wiped out the galaxy every few years is a hard pill tro swallow, especially when the one giving you the pill has admitted to being mentally effected by untested alien technology. They
In the second game, you're working for sopmeone who aqcrtually believes you, but is also extraordinarily paranoid and dangerous. The Illusive Man is a psychotic tycoon who built himself an army so he could personally dictate humanity's path in the galaxy. The only good point is that he actually BELIEVES you and funds your outrageous crusade through space. In a way, he's Renegade Shep through mirror.
What I personally love about the two games is that you really get a good look at a Paragon and Renegade-biased environment.

[Ktauliss]

Calling the Illusive Man Psychotic is going a bit far. I played mostly Paragon characters in ME1 so none of them is going to be 'trusting' him anytime this Millennium, but that is not the same thing.



Immoral, oh yes. Though he actually does follow a strict set of Ethics, it is simply a "Ends justify 'any' Means" Outlook.



Now the Council ....... they got faced with quite a bit of Evidence that something was not 'Kosher' and still 'insisted' that Shepard was Over-reacting.



Now refusal to accept Demonstrable reality is far more likely to be a symptom of Mental Instability than 'Questionable' Motives.

I mean, really, giant space squids that wiped out the galaxy every few years is a hard pill to swallow

AI's not space squid no matter what they looked like, and not every few years --- every 500 Centuries, as evidenced by disappearance of Protheans.

[JudgeQwerty]

The Illusive Man's schemes usually kill far more humans than aliens, especially in the first game. When someone is responsible for that much havoc and still believes he's actually protecting humanity, then he has a very skewed view of reality.



And at what point would YOU believe Shephard? He has no proof, just outlandish fairy tales. Wiould you risk a war with the Terminus systems just to confirmsuch a bizarre story?

[darthdrake201]

During my playthrough on the first mass effect, I was trying to make humanity strong allies with council races and I wanted to wipe out cerebus for the terrible experiments they did. In ME2 I want to wipe out cerebus, I want to wipe out the alliance, I want to destroy the council races. The only people I feel like helping are my old buddy Wrex and Tali.

[Ktauliss]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

The Illusive Man's schemes usually kill far more humans than aliens, especially in the first game. When someone is responsible for that much havoc and still believes he's actually protecting humanity, then he has a very skewed view of reality.

And at what point would YOU believe Shephard? He has no proof, just outlandish fairy tales. Would you risk a war with the Terminus systems just to confirm such a bizarre story?

You sir are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, Sensor Logs from the Normandy, Logs from Omni-Tools, Testimony from Other persons besides Shepard on Normandy Crew (Garrus for instance) all constitute 'evidence', remember with Omni-Tool recording from Tali they were willing to remove Saren's Spectre classification.

And as well, yes we encountered Cerberus (and a few costly experiments) in ME1, but how where does that constitute Psychopathy?  Lose a couple hundred to possibly save several Trillion?  Simply 'The End justifies Means'.  ask any Business, and in fact 'many' medical researchers.

I don't 'like' The Illusive Man, I surely would not 'trust' him, but neither would I demonize him.

[JudgeQwerty]

Ktauliss wrote...

You sir are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, Sensor Logs from the Normandy, Logs from Omni-Tools, Testimony from Other persons besides Shepard on Normandy Crew (Garrus for instance) all constitute 'evidence', remember with Omni-Tool recording from Tali they were willing to remove Saren's Spectre classification.

And as well, yes we encountered Cerberus (and a few costly experiments) in ME1, but how where does that constitute Psychopathy?  Lose a couple hundred to possibly save several Trillion?  Simply 'The End justifies Means'.  ask any Business, and in fact 'many' medical researchers.

I don't 'like' The Illusive Man, I surely would not 'trust' him, but neither would I demonize him.

... you've never heard of Doctor Mengele? The Tuskegee studies? Were we really that curious to study the the effects of thsher maw acid in a human's blood stream? Did we honerstly need to resurrect so many races ready to wipe us out? There were a million things that they could've done to help humanity that didn't involve resorting to Doctor Doom logic. Utilitarianism does not woirk like that.

As for the evidence, if I showed you a YouTube video of a man discussing the will and wishes of the Man in the Moon, 999 in a 1000 would still think him either mad or trying to scam that thousandth fool.

[Ktauliss]

Hardly the same thing but obviously we are simply not going to agree, so rather than continue I will simply agree to be in disagreement.

[nteger]

darthdrake201 wrote...

During my playthrough on the first mass effect, I was trying to make humanity strong allies with council races and I wanted to wipe out cerebus for the terrible experiments they did. In ME2 I want to wipe out cerebus, I want to wipe out the alliance, I want to destroy the council races. The only people I feel like helping are my old buddy Wrex and Tali.

This, though I still like Admiral Hacket, Councilor/Admiral Anderson, and my squad mates.

[Nigawatts]

Honestly I was sick and tired of the Illusive Man at the end. It was almost like he didn't want you to win at some points (damaged Collector Ship, derelict Reaper). He tells you to have foresight and see the potential in keeping the Collector Base intact. Umm...excuse me? You think you are the first moron who has tried to figure out these Reapers from the inside out? Has everyone completely forgot about indoctrination?



Jesus you'd think that he hadn't already lost an entire base over this..

[Valhak]

Nigawatts wrote...

Honestly I was sick and tired of the Illusive Man at the end. It was almost like he didn't want you to win at some points (damaged Collector Ship, derelict Reaper). He tells you to have foresight and see the potential in keeping the Collector Base intact. Umm...excuse me? You think you are the first moron who has tried to figure out these Reapers from the inside out? Has everyone completely forgot about indoctrination?

Jesus you'd think that he hadn't already lost an entire base over this..

The above reasons are exactly why  I deemed it neccessary to destroy the collector base. not because it was an "abomination".

[Inverness Moon]

Nigawatts wrote...

Honestly I was sick and tired of the Illusive Man at the end. It was almost like he didn't want you to win at some points (damaged Collector Ship, derelict Reaper). He tells you to have foresight and see the potential in keeping the Collector Base intact. Umm...excuse me? You think you are the first moron who has tried to figure out these Reapers from the inside out? Has everyone completely forgot about indoctrination?

Jesus you'd think that he hadn't already lost an entire base over this..

The collector base was not a reaper, so I don't see how studying it could lead to indoctrination.

[CrazySockpuppetMan]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Nigawatts wrote...

Honestly I was sick and tired of the Illusive Man at the end. It was almost like he didn't want you to win at some points (damaged Collector Ship, derelict Reaper). He tells you to have foresight and see the potential in keeping the Collector Base intact. Umm...excuse me? You think you are the first moron who has tried to figure out these Reapers from the inside out? Has everyone completely forgot about indoctrination?

Jesus you'd think that he hadn't already lost an entire base over this..

The collector base was not a reaper, so I don't see how studying it could lead to indoctrination.

Its being controlled by reapers and had a larvae reaper in it (I did mistaken it for a giant terminator at first though). And the risk of indoctrination would be very real (remember that IFF status you had to recover from a dead reaper?). For that matter i know in one of the random planet distress signals you go to a mine that dug up some reaper tech and turned everybody into husks.
Reaper tech is bad like drugs.

But thats just my take, that and if you tell the the illusive man to "f off" Shepard has probably his coolest line of the game ("I will not let my decisions be controlled by fear"). 

But honestly if I wasn't trying to stay in character and if I didn't want to see a big explosion I woulda kept the station.
 

Modifié par CrazySockpuppetMan, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:09 .