Every time you talk to Legion about the Geth and their capabilities, he spouts off some impressive stuff. If you had never heard of the Geth before and just wandered into the room right when someone talks to Legion and does his loyalty mission, you would think the Geth are unbeatable.
But, since we've played the first game and most of the second by the time we hear this, we know the Geth are not the unstoppable force that either Legion believes or he wants us to believe. Shepard foiled the Heretics (a significant percentage of the Geth) in the first game, and Anderson (or Udina I guess) explains that the council has been beating the Geth pretty easily in the 2 years since.
Anyone else think Legion is lying, exagerating, or overestemating his own species?
Anyone else think Legion was just bluffing?
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 12:19
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I think that is wrong, the Heretics was a small percentage of the Geth assembly according to the codex. Their forces may be much larger than antipicated.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 12:21
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If you convert the heretics, it tells you the strength of the main geth force increased significantly.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 12:24
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Yes, but they are just a part, not the majority, far from it.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 12:28
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Bebbe777 wrote...
Yes, but they are just a part, not the majority, far from it.
We really don't know the percentages, which is why I just said "significant" I'd say it could be anywhere from 10% to 40%.
Another reason I think he might be misleading shepard, he said that instead of government they just reach a consensus, and that they can do it at "lightspeed" but he can't even reach a consensus with his own processes when trying to decide what to do with the geth. And obviously this consensus doesn't always work considering the Geth have split into two factions.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 12:35
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The Geth are powerful enough to take 17 million Quarians, but Humanity and God forbid the galaxy are another thing entirely. Humanity could toss 17 million at the Geth and not bat an eye. That is why their extraordinarily quick rise to the top of galactic politics have other races so concerned.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 12:42
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SpideyKnight wrote...
The Geth are powerful enough to take 17 million Quarians, but Humanity and God forbid the galaxy are another thing entirely. Humanity could toss 17 million at the Geth and not bat an eye. That is why their extraordinarily quick rise to the top of galactic politics have other races so concerned.
Well on this point I'm going to have to take the opposite stance. There are only 17 million quarians now, but that's after their defeat by the Geth. Plus at that point the Geth were just servants, they had no advanced weapons, dedicated warships, heavy walkers, or any of the military buildup they have done in the past 3 centuries.
I think the Humans would lose pretty bad to the Geth in a straight up war with nobody else interfering.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 01:30
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Also... the speed weapons development and adaptation to enemy tactics of a race of networked AI's is mind-boggling, when you really think about it. The Geth wouldn't in any way be an inconsiderable opponent to defeat in an actual full-scale war.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 01:36
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I don't believe it is within Legion/the Geth's abilities to lie or mislead. Any "lies" would probably be deadly faults within their own systems leading to their breakdown. They are machines, albeit sapient/sentient...lying is a capability of "chaotic" organic beings because we do not operate as machines do.
There are a lot of Geth and they can be strong...but what is their greatest strength is also their greatest weakness: their shared neural networking. That weakness is exposed in Legion's loyalty quest. That said, I chose to unleash the virus on the heretics. The geth (not Heretics) are all for defeating the "Old Machines." The more the merrier, and what better than to use the Reaper's own tools against them? And if they did end up choosing to take on the galaxy, well...cook up a virus and send Shepard in.
There are a lot of Geth and they can be strong...but what is their greatest strength is also their greatest weakness: their shared neural networking. That weakness is exposed in Legion's loyalty quest. That said, I chose to unleash the virus on the heretics. The geth (not Heretics) are all for defeating the "Old Machines." The more the merrier, and what better than to use the Reaper's own tools against them? And if they did end up choosing to take on the galaxy, well...cook up a virus and send Shepard in.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 01:39
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Eradyn wrote...
I don't believe it is within Legion/the Geth's abilities to lie or mislead. Any "lies" would probably be deadly faults within their own systems leading to their breakdown. They are machines, albeit sapient/sentient...lying is a capability of "chaotic" organic beings because we do not operate as machines do.
There are a lot of Geth and they can be strong...but what is their greatest strength is also their greatest weakness: their shared neural networking. That weakness is exposed in Legion's loyalty quest. That said, I chose to unleash the virus on the heretics. The geth (not Heretics) are all for defeating the "Old Machines." The more the merrier, and what better than to use the Reaper's own tools against them? And if they did end up choosing to take on the galaxy, well...cook up a virus and send Shepard in.
Yeah you really have to embrace what Legion said when he said Geth dont think like human beings. They arent biased and opinionated.....they either do what theya re programed to do....or they do what helps them achive the goal they are trying to reach. The storyline doesnt really give Legion any reason to mislead. All this doubt was squashed when you found out that the reapers actually caused the geth problem in the first place.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 02:02
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Plus, don't forget that Legion is a TAD bit more capable than a normal geth. Sniping and blasting away husks like it's no problem, managing to survive a blast through his chest with little more than some extra repair, not exactly stuff you see the heretics doing.
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Posté 29 janvier 2010 - 02:28
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I disagree. They're sapient, intelligent beings. And lying just makes logical sense. You want Organism A to perform Action B to achieve Outcome C. Organism A would never perform Action B if you told him you wanted him to do it because it would help you to destroy his entire race, so logically, you don't. Instead, you extrapolate the most likely statement you could make to garner his assistance.Eradyn wrote...
I don't believe it is within Legion/the Geth's abilities to lie or mislead. Any "lies" would probably be deadly faults within their own systems leading to their breakdown. They are machines, albeit sapient/sentient...lying is a capability of "chaotic" organic beings because we do not operate as machines do.
The Geth planted a false story in the extranet about the a supposed constellation bearing the image of a salarian goddess as seen from a certain world. They did this to see how people would react. It was a fabricated story. A lie. Yet it didn't break them to concieve of it or spread it.
