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[Firndeloth]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Firndeloth wrote...

My problem isn't with the lack of auto aim, but with the parallax error caused by the third person over the shoulder camera. When I right-click zoom, my cursor is pointing somewhere other than where it was centered before I right clicked. This makes lining up head-shots a little more difficult than it should be. I don't mind the difficulty of aiming, but I dislike having problems as a result of camera angles. It might just be a glitch with my version of the game, though, as the problem is much less pronounced when I left-click and fire directly from cover as opposed to right-clicking to zoom first ... but the error still occurs and as I didn't have this issue in ME1 I am surprised to find it in ME2 alongside so many improvements to gunplay. Is anyone else having this issue?

Firn this might be your game......because I made it a point to "quick scope" with the sniper rifle.....which required me to center the unzoomed reticle before scoping and shooting.

Hmm. I'll try to figure out why that's happening then.

[WrexKroganKing]

People just randomly spouting elitist, arrogant, ignorant drivel about 'dumbing down to appease the idiotic 13 year old crowd' make me laugh. Irony.



Btw idiots, it's Third Person Shooter. ME2 contains very little FPS mechanics outside of aiming a Sniper Rifle.

[Lukedude08]

WrexKroganKing wrote...

People just randomly spouting elitist, arrogant, ignorant drivel about 'dumbing down to appease the idiotic 13 year old crowd' make me laugh. Irony.

Btw idiots, it's Third Person Shooter. ME2 contains very little FPS mechanics outside of aiming a Sniper Rifle.

lol you should use the singular word for Idiot because there is only one person on this thread that is calling ME2 a first person shooter and that person just so happens to be the one who created this thead lol

[WrexKroganKing]

I mean in regards to the boards in general. There are a lot of them.

[Lukedude08]

I agree, i just hate seeing a good game flamed because it doesnt have a "hold hand" option.

[Pocketgb]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Pocketgb wrote...

LordRikerQ wrote...

Yeah good point.  I hope bioware will listen to their fans there certainly seems to be alot of people feeling ME 2 is FPS w/ RPG   that seems to be the complaint of most people.  I dont want to take the game back through because it is superior in every other way to ME 1 and the story is amazing, if it wasnt for the combat I'd be very happy with this game.  I understand EA and Bioware wanting to appeal more to the kids who complained about the RPG /w FPS elements the first time around but bioware should consider their existing fans.

Not everyone plays FPS games, not everyone has the hand eye coordination. Its amazing to me why people think hand eye coordination is something you can learn, if it where true everyone would be Expert Mortal Kombat and Halo players.

I do agree that some people just aren't fleshed out for fighting games, but I also believe that practice makes perfect. I've been playing Doom since I was around 9 and it wasn't until I was about 18 that I was able to ramp up the difficulty by making monsters shoot at me twice as fast.

In regards to them listening to their fans: well, as a Tali fan, I'm pretty confident in things being much more awesome in ME3. They can get the combat down amazingly, let's see how they can expand on the character development and other user-friendliness.

Also, could I ask what class you're playing as? If you're playing as a Soldier, their first assault rifle is a tricky beast if you aren't able to control that recoil. There are quite a few weapon types, some might be able to cater better to that need.

Pocket what you have to realize about riker is that he doesnt want tips.......hes probably that random kid who does nothing but use hacks and cheats on games.......but since he cant do that he has to hate on bioware's hard work and ask for an "auto aim" to make the game easier for him.  This game gives you every bit of help in fire fights...IE: a squad that u can command, cover, shields, weapon upgrades. so unless you have some form of motor skill impairment, PLEASE riker stop crying about how you cant play the game, and stop blaming bioware for your problems

I consider his stance rather understandable, actually. Auto-aim isn't too bad of a feature as long as it helps auto-aim to the center of an enemy. This allows players who have a lot of trouble aiming to actually enjoy the game while allowing more skilled players to aim for the parts that matter.

But the reason I consider his stance reasonable is because this feature was included in ME1. I'd personally be bummed to see a feature I liked in ME1 ditched in ME2 (ex: helmet toggle). But I also respect Bioware wanting to encourage players to get better at aiming itself. Tough call.

Also, I thought that the X-Box had some form of aim assist system? If it doesn't then that's icky.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 29 janvier 2010 - 02:56 .

[loboME2]

That's what happens when you have a shooter game on Console.

[Vagivan]

how the hell is combat different from ME1? lmao (systematically not aesthetically speaking)

its more polished and easier than ME 1 and you claim that it was better in ME 1?

looks like someone just doesnt know how to use a controller, even on casual =.=

looks like mass effect isnt for you then, seriously how many people have this problem? 1%?

[shadowc116]

LordRikerQ wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

LordRikerQ wrote...

First I want to say i am enjoying ME 2, i think the storyline is wonderful and the characters and enviorments are great as always. But this decision to go full on FPS w/RPG Elements is stupid. This should have been RPG w/FPS elements like ME 1.

Not all of us as 13 yr old kiddies who play Counter Strike and Halo all day. Some of us are adults who only play RPGs, the best way to fix it is just to add a full on auto assist targeting option that can be turned on and all so the kids dont whine about it.  Even on casual difficulty this game is way harder then it should be because not everyone can do the whole FPS thing.  Consider your older fans Bioware, if it wasnt for this problem this would be a Perfect Sequel in my opinion.  But being theres no way to avoid combat, something needs to be done to help fans who arent all "Twitchy".

AHAHAHAHAHA You are either a Troll taking the micky out of the players on these forums who consider themselves "RPG purists" or a genuine case of stupidity, either way AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I find it absolutely hillarious that those who call themselves "RPG purists" believe that ME2 has been dumbed down because it plays more like what a TPS should. What so adding the need for skill dumbs down a game? ME1 was the game that dumbed down the TPS not ME2, ME1 was designed so it diddnt take any skill and all your battles were decided by stats, cover was useless, skill was useless and tactics were useless in ME1.

So fella if you are taking the micky out of RPG purists then well done, however if you are in fact genuine, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Here we have the idiots that are the Target Audience for ME 2 it seems, I knew one of those kids would show up.  Not everything is about combat. Skill comes in also deciding how to pick skills and armor and the combination of team members too. That is RPG skill, this is just pure FPS kiddy combat skill which doesnt belong in a real RPG.

So congratulations for getting EA to dumb the game down to your level, well done.

 
Ricker hes a troll but ur acting lik a kid. ur jus mad u cant aim. not everyone is good at shooters but thats what ME is, as well as being a rpg. either get better or hope theres aim assistance in me 3.

now if ur goin to insult shooter fans, try to come up with some other insult other than calling us kids bc most of us arnt. shooters hav faster reactions and rpgs are bout tactics which is why i love mass effect bc it uses both aspects. but do not put down shooters bc u suck at them k?

[Lukedude08]

Pocketgb wrote...

Lukedude08 wrote...

Pocketgb wrote...

LordRikerQ wrote...

Yeah good point.  I hope bioware will listen to their fans there certainly seems to be alot of people feeling ME 2 is FPS w/ RPG   that seems to be the complaint of most people.  I dont want to take the game back through because it is superior in every other way to ME 1 and the story is amazing, if it wasnt for the combat I'd be very happy with this game.  I understand EA and Bioware wanting to appeal more to the kids who complained about the RPG /w FPS elements the first time around but bioware should consider their existing fans.

Not everyone plays FPS games, not everyone has the hand eye coordination. Its amazing to me why people think hand eye coordination is something you can learn, if it where true everyone would be Expert Mortal Kombat and Halo players.

I do agree that some people just aren't fleshed out for fighting games, but I also believe that practice makes perfect. I've been playing Doom since I was around 9 and it wasn't until I was about 18 that I was able to ramp up the difficulty by making monsters shoot at me twice as fast.

In regards to them listening to their fans: well, as a Tali fan, I'm pretty confident in things being much more awesome in ME3. They can get the combat down amazingly, let's see how they can expand on the character development and other user-friendliness.

Also, could I ask what class you're playing as? If you're playing as a Soldier, their first assault rifle is a tricky beast if you aren't able to control that recoil. There are quite a few weapon types, some might be able to cater better to that need.

Pocket what you have to realize about riker is that he doesnt want tips.......hes probably that random kid who does nothing but use hacks and cheats on games.......but since he cant do that he has to hate on bioware's hard work and ask for an "auto aim" to make the game easier for him.  This game gives you every bit of help in fire fights...IE: a squad that u can command, cover, shields, weapon upgrades. so unless you have some form of motor skill impairment, PLEASE riker stop crying about how you cant play the game, and stop blaming bioware for your problems

I consider his stance rather understandable, actually. Auto-aim isn't too bad of a feature as long as it helps auto-aim to the center of an enemy. This allows players who have a lot of trouble aiming to actually enjoy the game while allowing more skilled players to aim for the parts that matter.

But the reason I consider his stance reasonable is because this feature was included in ME1. I'd personally be bummed to see a feature I liked in ME1 ditched in ME2 (ex: helmet toggle). But I also respect Bioware wanting to encourage players to get better at aiming itself. Tough call.

Also, I thought that the X-Box had some form of aim assist system? If it doesn't then that's icky.

well Pocket.........i also can see where he's coming from, but where he went wrong was straying from a simply suggesting they put an auto aim option back into the game, to saying how the game needed to be simplified and how the game is a first person shooter.  He didnt just suggest an improvement, he proceeded in saying how the game wasnt what it was supposed to be, when ME2, as well as ME1 are masterpieces.  Bioware doesnt work its ass off on these games for faliure, and they sure as hell dont deserved to be told that the way they made their masterpiece was wrong.

[Vagivan]

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games

nuff said

[Lukedude08]

Vagivan wrote...

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games
nuff said

PS: Totally and utterly agrees with Vagivan

[V72]

LordRikerQ wrote...
Some of us are adults who only play RPGs

>:|

You still seem like a 13 year old to me.

[Vagivan]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Vagivan wrote...

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games
nuff said

PS: Totally and utterly agrees with Vagivan

seriously... casual is meant for... omg no way! CASUAL PLAYERS
and when you fail to fit in that demographic, wow...

[Lukedude08]

Vagivan wrote...

Lukedude08 wrote...

Vagivan wrote...

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games
nuff said

PS: Totally and utterly agrees with Vagivan

seriously... casual is meant for... omg no way! CASUAL PLAYERS
and when you fail to fit in that demographic, wow...

well honestly he says he gets mowed down....so he obviously isnt using the cover OR team function.......and if he seriously cant shoot someone on casual im border lined thinking that he might have some sort of motor skill birth defect

[LordRikerQ]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Pocketgb wrote...

Lukedude08 wrote...

Pocketgb wrote...

LordRikerQ wrote...

Yeah good point.  I hope bioware will listen to their fans there certainly seems to be alot of people feeling ME 2 is FPS w/ RPG   that seems to be the complaint of most people.  I dont want to take the game back through because it is superior in every other way to ME 1 and the story is amazing, if it wasnt for the combat I'd be very happy with this game.  I understand EA and Bioware wanting to appeal more to the kids who complained about the RPG /w FPS elements the first time around but bioware should consider their existing fans.

Not everyone plays FPS games, not everyone has the hand eye coordination. Its amazing to me why people think hand eye coordination is something you can learn, if it where true everyone would be Expert Mortal Kombat and Halo players.

I do agree that some people just aren't fleshed out for fighting games, but I also believe that practice makes perfect. I've been playing Doom since I was around 9 and it wasn't until I was about 18 that I was able to ramp up the difficulty by making monsters shoot at me twice as fast.

In regards to them listening to their fans: well, as a Tali fan, I'm pretty confident in things being much more awesome in ME3. They can get the combat down amazingly, let's see how they can expand on the character development and other user-friendliness.

Also, could I ask what class you're playing as? If you're playing as a Soldier, their first assault rifle is a tricky beast if you aren't able to control that recoil. There are quite a few weapon types, some might be able to cater better to that need.

Pocket what you have to realize about riker is that he doesnt want tips.......hes probably that random kid who does nothing but use hacks and cheats on games.......but since he cant do that he has to hate on bioware's hard work and ask for an "auto aim" to make the game easier for him.  This game gives you every bit of help in fire fights...IE: a squad that u can command, cover, shields, weapon upgrades. so unless you have some form of motor skill impairment, PLEASE riker stop crying about how you cant play the game, and stop blaming bioware for your problems

I consider his stance rather understandable, actually. Auto-aim isn't too bad of a feature as long as it helps auto-aim to the center of an enemy. This allows players who have a lot of trouble aiming to actually enjoy the game while allowing more skilled players to aim for the parts that matter.

But the reason I consider his stance reasonable is because this feature was included in ME1. I'd personally be bummed to see a feature I liked in ME1 ditched in ME2 (ex: helmet toggle). But I also respect Bioware wanting to encourage players to get better at aiming itself. Tough call.

Also, I thought that the X-Box had some form of aim assist system? If it doesn't then that's icky.

well Pocket.........i also can see where he's coming from, but where he went wrong was straying from a simply suggesting they put an auto aim option back into the game, to saying how the game needed to be simplified and how the game is a first person shooter.  He didnt just suggest an improvement, he proceeded in saying how the game wasnt what it was supposed to be, when ME2, as well as ME1 are masterpieces.  Bioware doesnt work its ass off on these games for faliure, and they sure as hell dont deserved to be told that the way they made their masterpiece was wrong.

That is what i was asking, does anyone actually read anymore? I was saying Bioware should add in a optional mechanic for Auto Aim so people do dont TPS or FPS can still play the game.  Challenge is not about hand eye coordination, Challenge in a RPG is suppose to be about something else like Party management and skills, but all that is really worthless since if your a twitch kid you can probaly solo the game without biotics or putting points into any skills but health and damage upgrades.

[Christina Norman]

We definitely intended the aim system to be extremely friendly for non-shooter players on casual. Thanks OP for letting me know this is an issue for you.

[Vagivan]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Vagivan wrote...

Lukedude08 wrote...

Vagivan wrote...

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games
nuff said

PS: Totally and utterly agrees with Vagivan

seriously... casual is meant for... omg no way! CASUAL PLAYERS
and when you fail to fit in that demographic, wow...

well honestly he says he gets mowed down....so he obviously isnt using the cover OR team function.......and if he seriously cant shoot someone on casual im border lined thinking that he might have some sort of motor skill birth defect

LOL
and to think he played ME1....

*hint to OP* if you find everything twitchy, put camera on slow lmao
i found medium to be way to slow for my taste and fast to be perfect
also, watch the videos from your private terminal cause you seem to need some tips

[LordRikerQ]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Vagivan wrote...

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games
nuff said

PS: Totally and utterly agrees with Vagivan

You people suck at life and reading.  Children, FPS games arent the end all of gaming, there are *gasp* people who dont care about FPSs games because they are mindless. Aiming a gun doesnt use the brain, solving challenges on missions and managing your party and resources uses the brain.  Maybe some of you people suck at that so you delude yourself into thinking gunplay is all thats important but in the real world its not.

Modifié par LordRikerQ, 29 janvier 2010 - 03:23 .

[Lukedude08]

LordRikerQ wrote...

Lukedude08 wrote...

Vagivan wrote...

in conclusion LordRikerQ sucks at video games
nuff said

PS: Totally and utterly agrees with Vagivan

You people suck at life and reading.  Children, FPS games arent the end all of gaming, there are *gasp* people who dont care about RPGs games because they are mindless. Aiming a gun doesnt use the brain, solving challenges on missions and managing your party and resources uses the brain.  Maybe some of you people suck at that so you delude yourself into thinking gunplay is all thats important but in the real world its not.

LordRiker.....obviously YOU dont read.........i said u were right about it being a good thing to implement an auto aim function back into the game......but the fact that you keep trying to deface ME2 for what it really is, is what makes you a child.......are you really THAT bad at the game that you would actually admit that you have no hand eye coordination?  It literally takes no effort on this game to shoot someone i cant understand how you feel this game is to much like a first person shooter?

[LordRikerQ]

Christina Norman wrote...

We definitely intended the aim system to be extremely friendly for non-shooter players on casual. Thanks OP for letting me know this is an issue for you.

Thank you for Replying bioware, I am glad to hear a Dev Say they will look into this matter. 

Just to be clear if you decide to put in an aid for non shooter players, please make it optional, I would not want to deprive other players who love shooters of their fun, but throw everyone else a bone here please.

Modifié par LordRikerQ, 29 janvier 2010 - 03:27 .

[Lukedude08]

Christina Norman wrote...

We definitely intended the aim system to be extremely friendly for non-shooter players on casual. Thanks OP for letting me know this is an issue for you.

the game is completely fine and Bioware did a GREAT job at spicing up this game.......please all Bioware ppl that see this thread do not let someone like this make you feel as tho you didnt do your job at making an awesome game.

[LordRikerQ]

Lukedude08 wrote...

Christina Norman wrote...

We definitely intended the aim system to be extremely friendly for non-shooter players on casual. Thanks OP for letting me know this is an issue for you.

the game is completely fine and Bioware did a GREAT job at spicing up this game.......please all Bioware ppl that see this thread do not let someone like this make you feel as tho you didnt do your job at making an awesome game.

The game is NOT fine, Sure the storyline and characters and writing are Top Notch I never disputed that. I enjoy R&D and all the other things. ME 2 is a fine game, my ONLY issue is the combat. I dont know why you fanboys keep overlooking the fact I said if it were not for the combat system being so unfriendly, I'd love this game more then ME 1.

Let me spell it out in English for people who cant read: I like the game, Its better then ME 1 in alot of ways. I just dont like Combat, its not that friendly to non shooter people as ME 1 was.   Can you people understand that now?

[Pocketgb]

Christina Norman wrote...

We definitely intended the aim system to be extremely friendly for non-shooter players on casual. Thanks OP for letting me know this is an issue for you.

Thanks for the heads-up, Christina.

[Christina Norman]

Firndeloth wrote...

My problem isn't with the lack of auto aim, but with the parallax error caused by the third person over the shoulder camera. When I right-click zoom, my cursor is pointing somewhere other than where it was centered before I right clicked.

This is unfortunately an almost impossible problem to solve mathematically. We did our best, but there are cases where there is drift. Most of the time you should not have significant drift. You'll have less drift if you're aiming straight forward relative to than  cover you're currently taking. You'll be more likely to get significant drift if you've rotated more than 45 degrees to aim. If anyone knows of a game that handles this really well please PM me and I'll check it out.