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[Jersey75639]

 What seems most likely to me just pure speculation, is that you will have the ME2 team, minus the people that have other responsibilities and those that died in your game if any, plus the ME1 LI's, with possibly some new characters... But I doubt there will be too many new ones if any at all, it would be so much better if they stick to the ones they already have and expand on them further, and the team is already big enough as it is.

Basically, I'm thinking something like Garus, Tali (though I got some hinting that she was being considered for election to admiralty board in my game), Miranda/Jack possibly both, Ashley/Kaidan, Legion, Joker+EDI (not really party members but yeah), possibly Mordin but just as likely not, and Taylor in your party for ME3 would be nice, with room for a couple new characters if they chose.

I'm just hoping they don't try for an all new cast of characters like they did for ME2, because while I loved all the ME2 characters way more than I did the ones for ME1 (even the returning ME1 characters seemed like much better versions of themselves), if they did it again via some cheap plot device, I would have trouble seeing how Shepard is supposed to be some great charismatic leader and everyone keeps abandoning him.

Really though, guessing about ME3 this early is useless speculation. 

Modifié par Jersey75639, 29 janvier 2010 - 05:05 .

[Ellendrial]

I am etremley dissappointed in the romance in the Me2

you worked so hard in me1 to develope relationships. The fact your with Cerb in itself goes against everything sheppard as a paragon would stand for. The game is boring to say the least it is too dragged out with all the characters you have to farm to complete the mission what is it like 8 character mean 8 subplots for each of them. Your having to go thru them prior to doing the final missions. But the catch is final mission lot of the team gets wiped because you took too long for some. They never tell you there is a timer on the last mission. As far as the romance there is no at all in the game compared to the 1st game. No nudity at all rating or M and sexual theme on title is very misleading. In fact the most skin you see is a bra. And even when you flirt with kelli it is a cut to elevator door and then black screen and back. Come on Bioware get back to the reason you put a M rating on this game.

[Jersey75639]

  Anyone who watches movies knows that sexual content isn't nudity, so I'm not sure why you felt misled.  If you were just looking for some boobs there are plenty of places you could see them without having to see them in game.

Honestly, in movies there are scenes like that all the time and no one gets upset that they were watching a movie and not softcore porn.  If nudity was included during a sexual scene then the rating gets shot to hell and it becomes a lot less accessible.  There are numerous rational and logical reasons why nudity in this game would be bad, regardless of what your personal view on how the ESRB handles this sort of thing is.

[deusofnull]

manwiththemachinegun wrote...

Dear Bioware,

First of all, ME2 is awesome, and definately one of my favorite games to come out in a while, along with the first game. Just beat it late today. Here's the problem though.

Look, I am a reasonable guy. This game is already 12 gig of greatness, and the romance options themselves in ME2 are fine. Tali, Jack, Miranda, Thane, Garrus, Jacob, all are excellent characters and add something unique.

However, it certainly seems like the previous romance characters are being thrown under a bus. Okay, I get it, they're ticked off you're working for Cerberus. But an email? That's it? Really?
 
I would be less annoyed with how the Ashley/Kaidan reunion on Horzion turned out if we actually got a subquest to fix things. There are dozens of quests in ME2, why can't fixing up things with your old flame be one of them? The fact that you never actually get an opportunity to explain things doesn't help. Now before it gets said, yes, in real relationships people are not automotons and **** happens that pushes people apart. However, I simply don't buy the fact that two people who lived and died together like Ashley or Kaidan, who you sacrificed a LIFE to save wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt. It seems like these characters are being abandoned for the sake of pandering to newcomers to the series who just want to get a nice piece of A.

You wanted people's reaction to 'staying true' to ME1 compared ME2 romances, well, here it is. My Shep examined the options and still chose Ash because he's a loyal sort of guy.

I *did* appretiate my Shep giving a longing glance to Ash's photo before the final mission, but it all honestly it felt half assed, and I thought you should know.
 
Maybe when Mass Effect 3 comes out, and the need for an open ended story comes to a close, there were be a proper resolution to this story line beyond a sucky, 16bit ending: "You have romanced Ashley! A winner is you!"

In total we have 9 romance options throughout the series. I have faith in Bioware for delivering excellent games. All I ask is that each character get *equal* screeen time when that resolution does come. And hopefully more for them to do as well.

Thanks for listening, and making great games,

Yeah whatever, Ive wanted to romance Tali since the first game and now that I can, I dont even get to see her face.

[*Kioux*]

It is quite fascinating how many topics there are concerning the ME1 loves in ME2.

I admit that I was deeply disappointed when I heard that my snuggle Kaidan would not be an option in ME2. I know a lot of people didn't like him too much but I did and I wanted him back - or at least stay true to him. I did the colony mission before I headed to the Citadel and damn... was I hit in the face when I got Kaidan's reaction.

I mean yeah, I understand he is shocked and maybe a bit angry and all, but still... he smacks me around with observations and doubts and takes off and there is nothing I can do? I mean c'mon!
Now, I went back to the Citadel afterwards and talked to (in my case) Anderson about everything, including Kaidan and yet there is still nothing I can do, even after getting my symbolic status as specter back.

So basically, what I was trying to say was that I agree with the comment that BW seems to want us to cheat on our ME1 loves. Just addressing the "I want to talk about you!" topic with Jacob was like my character was about ready to jump him. Nuh-uh, not happening!! I even reloaded and decided to not talk to him anymore unless it was about his mission.
The thing is that the entire ME1 romance feels neglected... unfinished... like it rips my gamer-heart apart. Having the one love maybe even on your ship - not as a possible team-member but maybe as an observer (maybe even from the alliance) would have been an option. At least we would have had the chance to start talking and explaining things to them again and let them see that we are still the same noble soul as we used to be.
Or at least have the chance to meet them again after being blown off...
Ah well... I just lost 2 hours of game time because I wanted to try a different way to have Kaidan less angry at me.

Dear BioWare... please, please... give our ME1 loves some credits and if not in DLC format at least in ME3. If you don't give me the same length of romance time and video as all the other characters... I'll be deeply disappointed in you.

Forgive my blabbering, this experience was just really frustrating.

[AtreiyaN7]

I was fine with events on Horizon. I was satisfied that Kaidan's reaction was legitimate - how can you realistically expect someone NOT to move on if they think you're dead and it's been two years? I can undertsand Kaidan being angry/disappointed/upset because he thinks femShep is part of Cerberus after the shock of finding out that she's still alive, considering that Cerberus was the enemy in ME1. I think it's more realistic than having the kind of deliriously happy reunion that some people were hoping for. I guess the test is whether or not you can work things out later in ME3 if you feel that strongly about the ME1 LI.

As for the e-mail: yeah, I expect two soldiers with critical missions to put the survival of humanity aside solely to take a break and patch up their relationship...not. Look at it this way: at least the e-mail leaves you an opening - it's a possibility that you might be able to fix things later on. Will try out all the guys to see if I actually like one of them better. Thane is intriguing at least, and I've already sort of (I guess) indicated an interest in being more than friends (possibly) on my femShep.

Edit: Jacob seems like a solid guy, and if Garrus is a romance option I'm willing to try both of them on a future playthrough. I was just waiting to see what happened at the reunion first before I committed to a course of action.  I think adding another relationship and seeing potential conflict in ME3 might be interesting (also removed a redundant sentence - whee for editing  ).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 29 janvier 2010 - 06:41 .

[AndroLeonidas]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I was fine with events on Horizon. I was satisfied that Kaidan's reaction was legitimate - how can you realistically expect someone NOT to move on if they think you're dead and it's been two years? I can undertsand Kaidan being angry/disappointed/upset because he thinks femShep is part of Cerberus after the shock of finding out that she's still alive, considering that Cerberus was the enemy in ME1. I think it's more realistic than having the kind of deliriously happy reunion that some people were hoping for. I guess the test is whether or not you can work things out later in ME3 if you feel that strongly about the ME1 LI.

Problem I have with that is simple... almost everyone I ran into said in one fashion or another that there were rumors I was still alive. If that is the case... and the LI from ME1 really was a LI, would that person just let it go??? I don't believe so. Especially not Liara with a male shepard. I posted in another thread that I think there is something else entirely going on that she is not telling shepard when he sees her.

[Mox Ruuga]

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

[MaverikVII]

mrniceguy247 wrote...

got an isssue withe the romances can one of u tell me how to get jack loyal agn after her cat fight with miranda

Yeah, you've got to have either full renegade or paragon points. Otherwise it won't work. Sorry.

[AtreiyaN7]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I was fine with events on Horizon. I was satisfied that Kaidan's reaction was legitimate - how can you realistically expect someone NOT to move on if they think you're dead and it's been two years? I can undertsand Kaidan being angry/disappointed/upset because he thinks femShep is part of Cerberus after the shock of finding out that she's still alive, considering that Cerberus was the enemy in ME1. I think it's more realistic than having the kind of deliriously happy reunion that some people were hoping for. I guess the test is whether or not you can work things out later in ME3 if you feel that strongly about the ME1 LI.

Problem I have with that is simple... almost everyone I ran into said in one fashion or another that there were rumors I was still alive. If that is the case... and the LI from ME1 really was a LI, would that person just let it go??? I don't believe so. Especially not Liara with a male shepard. I posted in another thread that I think there is something else entirely going on that she is not telling shepard when he sees her.

Rumors and no actual proof. *shrug* And Kaidan/Ash are in the Alliance - they've got jobs to do. Even if they wanted to, what are they going to do? Try to get special permission to find you when the Alliance itself gives up on Shepard and you're officially decalred dead? Only Liara searches for you and finds you, and we know what happens. I'm fine with it myself - if other people think their LI should somehow be more devoted to Shepard, then eh. We'll agree to disagree about it.

[Aethelwulf1066]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

Not a good idea in my opinion. I can see getting rid of some of the ME2 squad characters to make room for the ME1 characters returning, and a few new ones. But to get rid of everyone? That would do a great deal to destroy my immersion in the game. At least this time around I had two familiar faces to keep that "This is Mass Effect, and this is the Normandy." feeling going. But to come back and have only Ashley and Liara? Eh. I don't know. Just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. You get these characters for one game, grow a connection to them, and then they're scrapped right after? Great way to kill that immersion, that connection you develop. I think a few ME2 squadmates will return, hopefully Garrus and Tali as well, provided you didn't lose them in ME2. Those not chosen by Bioware for a return either won't be around period if they died, or they'll have some small role like Wrex, Liara, and Ashley/Kaiden.

Wiping the slate clean is a bad idea.

[p0mt3]

Precursor2552 wrote...

What bugs me is less that we didn't get to resolve anything, but the fact that they consider it cheating. The way I acted towards Williams was kinda worthy of a break up IMO(some Renegade stuff and never calling her after coming back...) the email and what she said was kind the end of the relationship. So if she ended it why can't Sheppard start dating Miranda? Its not cheating, Ash and Shep aren't dating anymore.

Because BioWare can't program a hundred different scenarios for your romance for ME 3. Some limits have to exist, or else these games could be ten discs long.

Just like in real life, if you truly are in love with someone, you're not going to get over them right after they leave you; you're going to remain loyal to them regardless, at least for a while. You want Ash? Then control your primal urges until the final installment. 

Anyway, I'm not sure what Ash's E-Mail said in your game, but in my playthrough she basically told me she couldn't follow me where I'm head at that point in my life, but our future remains open. How is that a 'break-up' by any stretch of the imagination? She's confused about my involvement with terrorists, and wants to wait until things are more stable before continuing on with me. Seems reasonable to me.

My advice; if you just can't wait for more action: play through the game several times while waiting for ME 3, get every piece of ass imaginable in the game, then when ME 3 draws near, play ME 2 a final time while remaining loyal to Ash. Then you'll be squared away, while still satisfied romantically while you wait. I mean, it's not like you can only play through the game one time and never change your decisions, lol.

[SrslyUnfriendly]

In general response, the Me1 to Me2 movement was correct.

You've been dead for 2 years, and your team saw you get spaced and go into the atmosphere of a planet. Joker
alone could have confirmed how you died, being that he would've been able to see the oxygen leaking out of your suit. This, on any person, is taxing.

Some people move on in two years. Some people move on a year. Everyone varies in between the time it takes for
them to recover from such a trauma, as it happened out of the blue, andyou even told them to shove off when they wanted to help you.

Thinking that this person would still love you unconditionally, is very unrealistic. You may have just woken up after 2 years and still feel the same, but they've LIVED those 2 years.

As for Horizon itself, they hug you, and do tell you they're not over you. Which obviously means they still love you. But lets take a step back for the people who have played ME1, and remember what Cerberus is; they're evil. Anyone who played the first game knows that, and should know from the minute the game started that they haven't turned a new leaf. They just want to use you. No wonder they spend over 4 billion on you to bring you back, nobody does that free of charge here folks. The Illusive Man is not a retard.

Now, lets flip back to the hissy fit on Horizon. Any alliance soldier would be ticked as heck that you're with Cerberus. Before the mention of it, their voices seem soft, lonely. Once it's confirmed you're a member, they get aggrivated; I can't say I blame them. They still remember, as should you, and considering Cerberus' activities have escalated since your death, I'd hope that Ashley/Kaidan is damn well angry at Cerberus. 

How can you expect an Alliance soldier to kiss your hand when you're with Cerberus? I'd be pretty freaking confused on Horizon to be honest. I would be curious as to how the hell they survived, if they're a clone, if I'm actually just seeing things, while my heart hurts like a melon because younever broke up with this Shepard, you just kind of died, and then all of a sudden they're alive and working with who used to be your worst enemy. Right after you get attacked by the Collectors, and luckily survived through it.

Truth be told, any one of you would be damn confused too. 

And, they send you a letter to which slightly seems like they would still be interested in being with you. In retrospect, you have not actually oficially "left" them; you were still romantically entangled pre-death,and nothing occured for you for 2 years, and Kaidan/Ashley themselves did not actually engage in another relationship. As they're Alliance soldiers, and wouldn't go hunting for some ass. Court martials for all!

So, give it a chance. Me2, you can leave Cerberus, so there is a chance for rekindling that spark in ME3, as now they have no reason to be angry at you.

But you won't know for another 2-5 years!

Modifié par SrslyUnfriendly, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:59 .

[ComTrav]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

This is Bioware's (highly successful) formula. You get a bunch of characters and learn about them over the course of the game.

I JUST gave up on Ashley after the collector ship mission. I was Miranda a lot in my squad, found her character really interesting. The collector ship mission was me, Miranda, and Grunt, and I had flirted with Miranda but I still had the picture of Ashley up. In that mission there's a cutscene where Miranda is knocked to the ground and I gave a little start--had I blown my chance? Afterwards I ran the romance scene and there's a line where Miranda makes Shepherd promise not to die, and he says something like "I died once already." (And it cost me Ashley....do I want to lose someone else I care about, too?) 

Kudos to Bioware for evoking this feeling in me from a game. I agonized over this a lot more then which upgrade to buy, or where to spend my skill points, or most of the moral choices in this or DAO. Since this was more in tune with my own feelings, I have to feel like this is the "real Shepherd"....though not ruling out crawling back to Ashley in ME3 just yet.

And, probably, if it wasn't Miranda it might've been Tali, who deserves a little something for being electronics/decryption/first aid gal in ME1. Sadly, I don't find Tali as useful in my squad this time around...I suspect like mose people I tend to get more attached to the characters I use then the ones I don't. (It's funny, BW clearly went out of their way to make Miranda "teamwork" well with almost any class, except maybe Sentinel.)

As I've said before, if Shepherd could to write some email this could all be fixed. (I suppose they taught that the same day they taught jumping, and he was just sick that day.)

Here's hoping for the ME3 Biggest Catfight Ever. (Given the huge number of LIs in the game now, this would be a daunting technical proposition.)

[Mox Ruuga]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

Not a good idea in my opinion. I can see getting rid of some of the ME2 squad characters to make room for the ME1 characters returning, and a few new ones. But to get rid of everyone? That would do a great deal to destroy my immersion in the game. At least this time around I had two familiar faces to keep that "This is Mass Effect, and this is the Normandy." feeling going. But to come back and have only Ashley and Liara? Eh. I don't know. Just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. You get these characters for one game, grow a connection to them, and then they're scrapped right after? Great way to kill that immersion, that connection you develop. I think a few ME2 squadmates will return, hopefully Garrus and Tali as well, provided you didn't lose them in ME2. Those not chosen by Bioware for a return either won't be around period if they died, or they'll have some small role like Wrex, Liara, and Ashley/Kaiden.

Wiping the slate clean is a bad idea.

Heh, some of us were pissed about the marginalization the rest of the ME1 squad got, while Garrus and Tali got even more important roles. Turn about is fair play, you guys have had your fanservice and now it's our turn!

Seriously though, barring some BS explanation that allows Garrus and Tali (or other ME2 squaddies) be recruitable even should they have died (curse you Lazarus project!), I wouldn't get my hopes up. Otherwise the line that the devs have been using about the ME1 LIs (and Wrex?) needing to be spared for ME3 will prove a lie.

I think most players didn't get Wrex killed after ME1, but Bioware had to account for that possibility. Thus, the radically reduced role, even tho he was by far the most popular squaddie of ME1.

The only way I can really see some of the ME2 squad returning, is if we don't get many new ME3 only squaddies at all. And I don't think that will happen. Bioware loves creating new characters.

[SrslyUnfriendly]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
Heh, some of us were pissed about the marginalization the rest of the ME1 squad got, while Garrus and Tali got even more important roles. Turn about is fair play, you guys have had your fanservice and now it's our turn!

Seriously though, barring some BS explanation that allows Garrus and Tali (or other ME2 squaddies) be recruitable even should they have died (curse you Lazarus project!), I wouldn't get my hopes up. Otherwise the line that the devs have been using about the ME1 LIs (and Wrex?) needing to be spared for ME3 will prove a lie.

I think most players didn't get Wrex killed after ME1, but Bioware had to account for that possibility. Thus, the radically reduced role, even tho he was by far the most popular squaddie of ME1.

The only way I can really see some of the ME2 squad returning, is if we don't get many new ME3 only squaddies at all. And I don't think that will happen. Bioware loves creating new characters.

I didn't know many ME1 characters could die, to be honest. I only ever had Ashley die in my files, as no love for the racist. I didn't know Wrex could actually die, either... I was pretty surprised when they said I made that decision.

Jacob and Miranda are the only two who are there for Cerberus, not you. Joker would never turn his back on you, neither would Chakwas.

Whoever survived from your crew (abducted) is drop-dead loyal to you, and the majority of your team should have developed a strong sence of loyalty at this point. Storyline-wise, everyone on your team would follow you to another hellish situation blind and not give two cents. (Jack, you're her only friend, Garrus finds being with you exciting and should be EXTREMELY loyal by now, Tali because she's exiled anyway, Legion because the geth probably want to monitor you and make good relations, Grunt may return to his clan but considering he said he's staying with you until you run out of stuff to shoot, I doubt he'd be peacing, Thane is dying anyway and you gave him a purpose in life, Samara is sworn to your service, Mordin wans to stop the reapers).

Storyline in consideration, you're supposed to make good friends with every member on your team in order to make sure they are loyal in all situations and devoted to your cause. Why would this end when the Reaper threat is even more prominant?

Plus, they're all supposed to be very well suited for facing the impossible odds that you are, once again, facing. These odds do not go anywhere when the game ends, and finding new team mates would be a serious waste of time when there are reapers inc. Dropping them under a bus would be stupid dev choices, and a waste of time. You've still got characters who aren't fully developed, but getting there. Why drop them now?

But who knows what they're really going to do. If Kaidan/Ashley/Liara join the team, that's not exactly a big hit to bring back one of the very well-liked characters of the ME fanbase.

And if Shepard become good friends with Jacob, he does not have loyalties directly toCerberus, and considering he used to be an Alliance soldier, he joins you in any decision you make. Miranda, I'm not so sure, although she did not complain when she was Normal loyalty and I chose my Paragon option end-game.

My hopes for Me3's control with this, although this is a very far-sighted goal, is that you have the option of hand-picking your team-mates. You can choose to get new people, or keep who you have. I'm so sick of learning about new people and going through all their mellodramatic qq about their lives.

Modifié par SrslyUnfriendly, 29 janvier 2010 - 08:06 .

[SpideyKnight]

If Bio or anyone is reading this, you can pretty much disregard the whole death thing. Ok it was a decent plot device, I'll give you that, but that's about it. By the time ME3 comes out even the most horrible ME3 players will have a "Leave No Man Behind" save. Who's going to transfer in a save with a bunch of people dead? Likely very, very few. Heck look at the stats, it's probably already extremely obvious. How many people transfer in a game where Wrex is dead? I'd wager it's a very small number. The whole suicide thing is just a variation on the "good" ending / "bad" ending gameplay mechanic we've seen used hundreds of times. Don't kid yourself, a very small minority will transfer in a bad ending. Most of those will just be people who beat the game a dozen different ways to see the different permutations.



If they make ME3 with the assumption that everyone can die, they are seriously doing a disservice to the game. They should bring back the fan favorites from each game, maybe add a person or two and if you let any of the potiential recruits die then the game tells you to stop the suck and go replay ME2 until you do less of the suck and fail and more of the win.

[Aethelwulf1066]

SpideyKnight wrote...

If Bio or anyone is reading this, you can pretty much disregard the whole death thing. Ok it was a decent plot device, I'll give you that, but that's about it. By the time ME3 comes out even the most horrible ME3 players will have a "Leave No Man Behind" save. Who's going to transfer in a save with a bunch of people dead? Likely very, very few. Heck look at the stats, it's probably already extremely obvious. How many people transfer in a game where Wrex is dead? I'd wager it's a very small number. The whole suicide thing is just a variation on the "good" ending / "bad" ending gameplay mechanic we've seen used hundreds of times. Don't kid yourself, a very small minority will transfer in a bad ending. Most of those will just be people who beat the game a dozen different ways to see the different permutations.

If they make ME3 with the assumption that everyone can die, they are seriously doing a disservice to the game. They should bring back the fan favorites from each game, maybe add a person or two and if you let any of the potiential recruits die then the game tells you to stop the suck and go replay ME2 until you do less of the suck and fail and more of the win.

This and the post above it.

[Massadonious1]

Well, I lucked out with the logistics the first time around and saved everyone (except half the crew, because I was unprepared) and will probably take that same approach in every other playthrough I decide to do.



However, I do find the idea of leaving some people to die quite intriguing from a storyline standpoint. I started out a default FemShep earlier today for my second playthrough, and I'm very interested to see how Tuchanka looks and reacts without Wrex. The same can be said for most ME2 characters, like not having Grunt around if we get a chance to go back to Tuchanka for a second time, how Cerberus deals with the loss of Miranda or Jacob, or how the Quarians deal with the loss of Tali. It's something I will never let happen, especially after my MainShep romanced her, but I think you get the gist of it.



I may in fact make such a save closer to ME3's release just so I have a different story to run through once I'm done with my MainShep's run.

[KainrycKarr]

Ellendrial wrote...

I am etremley dissappointed in the romance in the Me2
you worked so hard in me1 to develope relationships. The fact your with Cerb in itself goes against everything sheppard as a paragon would stand for. The game is boring to say the least it is too dragged out with all the characters you have to farm to complete the mission what is it like 8 character mean 8 subplots for each of them. Your having to go thru them prior to doing the final missions. But the catch is final mission lot of the team gets wiped because you took too long for some. They never tell you there is a timer on the last mission. As far as the romance there is no at all in the game compared to the 1st game. No nudity at all rating or M and sexual theme on title is very misleading. In fact the most skin you see is a bra. And even when you flirt with kelli it is a cut to elevator door and then black screen and back. Come on Bioware get back to the reason you put a M rating on this game.

....You an idiot?

1. You didn't work at all in ME1. You had like, 1, two short convos where you pretty much couldn't drag em off you if you tried.
2. I personally found the game hugely more exciting than ME1.(this is not to say I did not enjoy ME1)
3. 11 characters. Learn to count.
4.There is a giant health bar for the tech...
5.Nudity =/= romance. The romances in ME2 were FAR more thought out and engaging.

[Mox Ruuga]

If you read this Bioware, please DO NOT DISREGARD the possible deaths of Garrus and Tali. And other ME2 squaddies. No more resurrections, please! Let the opening sequence of ME2 be the sole time for the trilogy.

As for not having saves without Wrex, or everyone having a save with the whole team living after ME2, you know what they say about assuming things. Unless Bioware wants to back down from the "our choices matter" spiel, I will end up having save games with Wrex, Tali, and Garrus all being dead. RPG opportunities, you know.

And the loyalty thing? Funny, that's what I would have said about Ash, Liara, and Kaidan after the end of ME1... But don't worry Tali fans, maybe she'll send you an email in ME3. AFTER lecturing you about some plot development or other in her cameo. 

OTOH, if Bioware commits to the "minimal new squaddies, the ME3 squad is a composite of survivors from both ME1 and ME2", I'd be more than fine with it. Just as long as ME1 squaddies (not including Garrus and Tali) are given their proper, important place, given the "we are sparing them for ME3" comments we got from the devs.

[xThunderblazex]

There is another resurrection.



They've already stated if you kill your Shepard in ME2, you still play Shepard in ME3, just not YOUR Shepard, aka clone Shepard, and then most likely they do an imprint to give him some memories back via Liara, then catch him up to speed.



Also, you can't follow up a ME1 Romance in ME2, because they could die, and they want them in the third game. If you cheat, there are consequences. Also, there is a "love scene" with your ME1 LI at the end, where you stare at their picture.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

...Or they could bring back Kaidan/Ash, Liara, AND Garrus/Tali. Plus a mix of new and ME2 peeps that would make sense to stick around for the final fight(Jacob/Miranda).

The only ME2 squaddies that shouldn't return as squaddies in ME3 in my opinion, would be Thane(he's dying), Grunt, Jack, Zaeed(was just a merc), Samara/Morinth(she has justicar oath/Morinth isn't very major). These characters do not have strong ties into the main Reaper threat.

Mordin and Legion, I would expect and hope, would return to their respective peoples and serve roles similar to that of Wrex, as allies of Shepard against the Reapers rather than immediate squadmembers.

I think what I've listed is fairly reasonable, and would please the largest fanbase.

[SrslyUnfriendly]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

If you read this Bioware, please DO NOT DISREGARD the possible deaths of Garrus and Tali. And other ME2 squaddies. No more resurrections, please! Let the opening sequence of ME2 be the sole time for the trilogy.

As for not having saves without Wrex, or everyone having a save with the whole team living after ME2, you know what they say about assuming things. Unless Bioware wants to back down from the "our choices matter" spiel, I will end up having save games with Wrex, Tali, and Garrus all being dead. RPG opportunities, you know.

And the loyalty thing? Funny, that's what I would have said about Ash, Liara, and Kaidan after the end of ME1... But don't worry Tali fans, maybe she'll send you an email in ME3. AFTER lecturing you about some plot development or other in her cameo. 

OTOH, if Bioware commits to the "minimal new squaddies, the ME3 squad is a composite of survivors from both ME1 and ME2", I'd be more than fine with it. Just as long as ME1 squaddies (not including Garrus and Tali) are given their proper, important place, given the "we are sparing them for ME3" comments we got from the devs.

Haha. Well.

It makes the most sense to use your former teammates regardless, as why are you going to find new people to shoot a gun for you when you've got Reapers RIGHT there? Multiple ones at that.

Shepard is the behemoth jesus, nobody actually dies during his/her missions! Gawd.

How they handled Kaidan/Ashley in ME2, was, in my opinion, logically correct. You've been dead for 2 years, Joker/team saw you get spaced and fried up in some atmosphereic goodness, after you just got your air sucked right out of you. Some people move on in two years, some in a year. The hissy fit on Horizon was adequately placed, considering you, and any other person on this planet, would be damn confused to hell if they just got attacked by Collectors, then suddenly your past love is alive and standing in front of you working with Cerberus, the enemy. They have a right to be angry as hell and confused as hell. But they do state they aren't over you, and do send an e-mail in attempts to show last-minute affections (despite their obvious rage, I mean, come on, even Anderson is like ehhhhhhhhh...) in case you do die on this suicide mission.