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[marshalleck]

xThunderblazex wrote...

There is another resurrection.

They've already stated if you kill your Shepard in ME2, you still play Shepard in ME3, just not YOUR Shepard, aka clone Shepard, and then most likely they do an imprint to give him some memories back via Liara, then catch him up to speed.

What? No, you read it wrong.

Shepard's death is not canonical. If your Shepard dies, that's the end of that character's story. It's not imported into ME3. If you only play ME2 once and Shepard dies, then ME3 gives you the default story, as if you had played ME2 without ever playing the first game. Default decisions and outcomes will be assumed.

[Mox Ruuga]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I may in fact make such a save closer to ME3's release just so I have a different story to run through once I'm done with my MainShep's run.

I encourage people to try this, if they RPG their Sheps in any way.

For example, my current Infiltrator dude is a bit of a Fleming book James Bond (not the campy Roger Moore sort). He would like to be a Paragon (and is with weaker people, or those he likes/loves), but takes a very merciless Renegade attitude towards completing his mission. The mission takes priority, always. The Rachni queen dies, Balak dies (and so do the hostages), Garrus gets to happily gun down Saleon, etc. The biggest choices for him are on Virmire. He lets Ash die, even tho he loves her. Kaidan is the superior officer AND a biotic. She will be his Vesper Lynd, tho the circumstances of her death are obviously different. He also kills Wrex, regretting the need because he likes the big lug, but the mission takes priority (I will "delay" his armor recovery mission on purpose).

I make these and other sacrifices in order to personalize his "journey" through the trilogy. He cares for other people and his squaddies, but can (and will) sacrifice everything in order to succeed. The end of ME2 will bring more sacrifice... I don't even try for the perfect ending with him. Some of the squad will have to die.

[KainrycKarr]

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

If you read this Bioware, please DO NOT DISREGARD the possible deaths of Garrus and Tali. And other ME2 squaddies. No more resurrections, please! Let the opening sequence of ME2 be the sole time for the trilogy.

As for not having saves without Wrex, or everyone having a save with the whole team living after ME2, you know what they say about assuming things. Unless Bioware wants to back down from the "our choices matter" spiel, I will end up having save games with Wrex, Tali, and Garrus all being dead. RPG opportunities, you know.

And the loyalty thing? Funny, that's what I would have said about Ash, Liara, and Kaidan after the end of ME1... But don't worry Tali fans, maybe she'll send you an email in ME3. AFTER lecturing you about some plot development or other in her cameo. 

OTOH, if Bioware commits to the "minimal new squaddies, the ME3 squad is a composite of survivors from both ME1 and ME2", I'd be more than fine with it. Just as long as ME1 squaddies (not including Garrus and Tali) are given their proper, important place, given the "we are sparing them for ME3" comments we got from the devs.

Haha. Well.

It makes the most sense to use your former teammates regardless, as why are you going to find new people to shoot a gun for you when you've got Reapers RIGHT there? Multiple ones at that.

Shepard is the behemoth jesus, nobody actually dies during his/her missions! Gawd.

How they handled Kaidan/Ashley in ME2, was, in my opinion, logically correct. You've been dead for 2 years, Joker/team saw you get spaced and fried up in some atmosphereic goodness, after you just got your air sucked right out of you. Some people move on in two years, some in a year. The hissy fit on Horizon was adequately placed, considering you, and any other person on this planet, would be damn confused to hell if they just got attacked by Collectors, then suddenly your past love is alive and standing in front of you working with Cerberus, the enemy. They have a right to be angry as hell and confused as hell. But they do state they aren't over you, and do send an e-mail in attempts to show last-minute affections (despite their obvious rage, I mean, come on, even Anderson is like ehhhhhhhhh...) in case you do die on this suicide mission.

It isn't the cameos themselves that I hate; it's how they're done. Liara's character, though I hated it in ME1, was still Liara. In ME2 she's just some obnoxious wackjob. Totally ruined her imo. Ashley/Kaiden was meh. There needed to be a bit more depth of conversation for those, a little more back and forth than just (you died, I moved on, you're back, you're with the enemy, i'm moving on still anyway).

[Jersey75639]

Pretty much the whole goal of ME2 from what I could see was to complete the suicide mission with as few deaths as possible, hopefully none. I don't see why ME3 should be made from the assumption that many of those characters died and shouldn't be given major roles such as being in the party, since the whole goal of the game was to get them out alive.

[KainrycKarr]

marshalleck wrote...

xThunderblazex wrote...

There is another resurrection.

They've already stated if you kill your Shepard in ME2, you still play Shepard in ME3, just not YOUR Shepard, aka clone Shepard, and then most likely they do an imprint to give him some memories back via Liara, then catch him up to speed.

What? No, you read it wrong.

Shepard's death is not canonical. If your Shepard dies, that's the end of that character's story. It's not imported into ME3. If you only play ME2 once and Shepard dies, then ME3 gives you the default story, as if you had played ME2 without ever playing the first game. Default decisions and outcomes will be assumed.

This is correct. It's not Shepard 2.0 in ME3. If Shep dies in ME2, that save cannot be imported and you gotta bring in a living Shep, or start a brand new one in ME3. There is no cloning.

[SrslyUnfriendly]

KainrycKarr wrote...

The only ME2 squaddies that shouldn't return as squaddies in ME3 in my opinion, would be Thane(he's dying), Grunt, Jack, Zaeed(was just a merc), Samara/Morinth(she has justicar oath/Morinth isn't very major). These characters do not have strong ties into the main Reaper threat.

Mordin and Legion, I would expect and hope, would return to their respective peoples and serve roles similar to that of Wrex, as allies of Shepard against the Reapers rather than immediate squadmembers.

Thane isn't dead. Yet. It is possible to find a cure, and he does not state how close or far her is. Ever.  You have no idea. Me3 should be immediately after Me2, or soon after, so there's no 100% chance he's going to up and die from his condition when he's still running around, jumping over boxes and shooting a gun. You also gave him a purpose in life, as the assassination where you recruit him is his last act (he was expecting to die from Nassan's guards).

Legion will stay, because he already established this when you get him to begin with.

Grunt will stay. He said he's with you until he runs out of things to shoot, and he sure as hell isn't going to anytime soon with Shepard. Meaning, he ain't going anywhere.
Wrex is building a clan. I really don't think he has time to go back up into space and shoot some Reapers for you again, especially since he's still gunning for a genophage cure and fertility/expansion of the krogan.

Jack will stay. She's seen the reapers, and came with you willingly. She's also become either a romance or a good friend, and has developed strong loyalties to the only person who genuinely cares about her well-being. You also helped her blow up her worst nightmare.

Miranda and Jacob, well, I don't know. They're both higher-ranking people in Cerberus, although Jacob is more like Miranda's personal guard doggie. He becomes obviously more attached to you than Cerberus/Miranda, and he did service with the Alliance, so I'm 80% with Jacob. As for Miranda, I really doubt she'll be returning. She has close ties to the Illusive man, has stood beside him in person even.

Samara will stay. She is sworn to your
service by oath, and the mission isn't exactly over yet, and she hasn't
revoked her oath and you haven't used up your use for her.
Morinth would also stay. She loves danger, she loves dangerous stuff, and she loves drugs. What's more dangerous than going on suicide missions and finding reapers?
It is possible that Liara could be coming back though, as if you got the information for her, it is possible for her to become free of her broke debts on Illium. So in reality, it's very much so up in the air, they have as many reasons to be there as they don't.

Zaeed is def. gone, especially if you cut ties with Cerberus. I wouldn't pay to keep the dood around, I has enough sexi peoples anyway.
Ashley/Kaidan are probably going to be squadmates again.

KainrycKarr wrote...
It isn't the cameos themselves that I hate; it's how they're done. Liara's character, though I hated it in ME1, was still Liara.
In ME2 she's just some obnoxious wackjob. Totally ruined her imo.
Ashley/Kaiden was meh. There needed to be a bit more depth of
conversation for those, a little more back and forth than just (you
died, I moved on, you're back, you're with the enemy, i'm moving on
still anyway).

Have you ever been RIDICULOUSLY angry at someone, as well as confused at the same time?

I didn't take that as a break-up. I took that as a, holy $!&%, I need to go think. But
I do agree, they're very short. But I can still understand, I've been
in such a state (ofc not the same situation or level of confusion), and
you really do just want to storm off and vent. Why stand there and
scream when you can't change diddly. They were still bigger than 8-year-olds and sent you a somewhat friendly e-mail! XD

As for Liara, I agree. That was...well. Why'd she kiss me then tell me to get lost more or less? And I
can sort of understand her behavioral change, she did do a lot of
dirties and is an information broker on Illium, which isn't a fully
legal or forgiving job. Think of the change similar to what happens to a 20-year-old who drops from being an Accountant to a smuggler.

Modifié par SrslyUnfriendly, 29 janvier 2010 - 08:50 .

[xThunderblazex]

KainrycKarr wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

xThunderblazex wrote...

There is another resurrection.

They've already stated if you kill your Shepard in ME2, you still play Shepard in ME3, just not YOUR Shepard, aka clone Shepard, and then most likely they do an imprint to give him some memories back via Liara, then catch him up to speed.

What? No, you read it wrong.

Shepard's death is not canonical. If your Shepard dies, that's the end of that character's story. It's not imported into ME3. If you only play ME2 once and Shepard dies, then ME3 gives you the default story, as if you had played ME2 without ever playing the first game. Default decisions and outcomes will be assumed.

This is correct. It's not Shepard 2.0 in ME3. If Shep dies in ME2, that save cannot be imported and you gotta bring in a living Shep, or start a brand new one in ME3. There is no cloning.

That's what you think...Cerberus is secretly planning to make an army of Shepard clones to scare the Reapers away. Imagine seeing hundreds of thousands of Shepards, the only person to ever keep foiling Reaper plans.

[xThunderblazex]

SwobyJ wrote...

SpideyKnight wrote...

If Bio or anyone is reading this, you can pretty much disregard the whole death thing. Ok it was a decent plot device, I'll give you that, but that's about it. By the time ME3 comes out even the most horrible ME3 players will have a "Leave No Man Behind" save. Who's going to transfer in a save with a bunch of people dead? Likely very, very few. Heck look at the stats, it's probably already extremely obvious. How many people transfer in a game where Wrex is dead? I'd wager it's a very small number. The whole suicide thing is just a variation on the "good" ending / "bad" ending gameplay mechanic we've seen used hundreds of times. Don't kid yourself, a very small minority will transfer in a bad ending. Most of those will just be people who beat the game a dozen different ways to see the different permutations.

If they make ME3 with the assumption that everyone can die, they are seriously doing a disservice to the game. They should bring back the fan favorites from each game, maybe add a person or two and if you let any of the potiential recruits die then the game tells you to stop the suck and go replay ME2 until you do less of the suck and fail and more of the win.

TOTALLY THIS

Unfortunately, ME3 is going to have to be 3-4 Discs to account for a lot of possibilities. Expect a lot of bugs, and QQing.

I wish game developers would just develop for the PC only. Consoles are such a crutch for game development.

[SrslyUnfriendly]

Hahah. I only bought ME2 for the 360 because I like having a good console game to play, and I find it quicker to do FPS with a controller (even if only third person).

I didn't find mine very glitchy. But the last 3-4 disc game I played was Legend of Dragoon, and it was a PS1, so god knows how abouts that'll be. I doubt it will be bad, Me2 on the 360 had minor glitches that mostly came from overheating in consideration to how many hours i played this solid.

Don't put too much thought into ME3 there, that's still a long ways away. Maybe it won't get delayed for another Star Wars game this time!

Modifié par SrslyUnfriendly, 29 janvier 2010 - 08:53 .

[KainrycKarr]

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

The only ME2 squaddies that shouldn't return as squaddies in ME3 in my opinion, would be Thane(he's dying), Grunt, Jack, Zaeed(was just a merc), Samara/Morinth(she has justicar oath/Morinth isn't very major). These characters do not have strong ties into the main Reaper threat.

Mordin and Legion, I would expect and hope, would return to their respective peoples and serve roles similar to that of Wrex, as allies of Shepard against the Reapers rather than immediate squadmembers.

Thane isn't dead. Yet. It is possible to find a cure, and he does not state how close or far her is. Ever.  You have no idea. Me3 should be immediately after Me2, or soon after, so there's no 100% chance he's going to up and die from his condition when he's still running around, jumping over boxes and shooting a gun. You also gave him a purpose in life, as the assassination where you recruit him is his last act (he was expecting to die from Nassan's guards). But he does not have any ongoing history with fighting the reapers overall.

Legion will stay, because he already established this when you get him to begin with. Eh, I think it could work either way.

Grunt will stay. He said he's with you until he runs out of things to shoot, and he sure as hell isn't going to anytime soon with Shepard. Meaning, he ain't going anywhere. Same reason as Thane. Zero personal involvement with the reapers. He's just shooting stuff. He can find that anywhere.

Wrex is building a clan. I really don't think he has time to go back up into space and shoot some Reapers for you again, especially since he's still gunning for a genophage cure and fertility/expansion of the krogan. Never said Wrex should return. I only think Tali, Garrus, Liara, and Kaidan/Ashley should return because they have an ongoing history with Shepard and fighting the big fight with the reapers.

Jack will stay. She's seen the reapers, and came with you willingly. She's also become either a romance or a good friend, and has developed strong loyalties to the only person who genuinely cares about her well-being. You also helped her blow up her worst nightmare.  Weak logic...her reason for fighting is no different than any other individual that knows of them. No personal investment with them. Though there is merit in the romance part, and clinging to her only real friend. Blowing up an empty facility has zero bearing on anything than her emotional stability, really.

Miranda and Jacob, well, I don't know. They're both higher-ranking people in Cerberus, although Jacob is more like Miranda's personal guard doggie. He becomes obviously more attached to you than Cerberus/Miranda, and he did service with the Alliance, so I'm 80% with Jacob. As for Miranda, I really doubt she'll be returning. She has close ties to the Illusive man, has stood beside him in person even. They obviously have been involved with the fight since before ME2, though after ME1. They have more interest and ongoing story with the main plot.

Samara will stay. She is sworn to your
service by oath, and the mission isn't exactly over yet, and she hasn't
revoked her oath and you haven't used up your use for her. She says after the mission she will return to being a Justicar, but will fight against the Reapers as your ally.

Morinth would also stay. She loves danger, she loves dangerous stuff, and she loves drugs. What's more dangerous than going on suicide missions and finding reapers? Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the reapers. At all.

It is possible that Liara could be coming back though, as if you got the information for her, it is possible for her to become free of her broke debts on Illium. So in reality, it's very much so up in the air, they have as many reasons to be there as they don't. Bioware already said they intend to bring back Liara, and/or Kaidan/Ashley.

Zaeed is def. gone, especially if you cut ties with Cerberus. I wouldn't pay to keep the dood around, I has enough sexi peoples anyway.
Ashley/Kaidan are probably going to be squadmates again.

[KainrycKarr]

SwobyJ wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

...Or they could bring back Kaidan/Ash, Liara, AND Garrus/Tali. Plus a mix of new and ME2 peeps that would make sense to stick around for the final fight(Jacob/Miranda).

The only ME2 squaddies that shouldn't return as squaddies in ME3 in my opinion, would be Thane(he's dying), Grunt, Jack, Zaeed(was just a merc), Samara/Morinth(she has justicar oath/Morinth isn't very major). These characters do not have strong ties into the main Reaper threat.

Mordin and Legion, I would expect and hope, would return to their respective peoples and serve roles similar to that of Wrex, as allies of Shepard against the Reapers rather than immediate squadmembers.

I think what I've listed is fairly reasonable, and would please the largest fanbase.

You just shafted the characters with the largest growing fanbases. Wow, fail.

I only went with logic. Obviously, I don't know exactly how popular the new characters are. But Tali/Garrus/ashley/Liara have been there from the start, have a huge, and well-known fan following, and thus would logically be the safest bet to include in ME3.

Personally? I don't like Liara, Kaidan, or Ashley, and could care less if they come back. I'd be perfectly happy having the same ME2 crew for ME3. I'm thinking purely from practicality.

The only characters I truly want to return to finish the story with Shepard are Tali and Garrus. I'd say they are the characters most closely attached to Shepard, and have been there from the start, the middle, and hopefully the last.

Aside from Tali/Garrus....I do not care who is in ME3, only that their roles are well thought out and written.

[Mox Ruuga]

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

(lots of reasons for returning ME2 squaddies to be squaddies again in ME3)

Who knows what will happen, people were sure the ME1 squad would stick around too. Look what happened there, the two who told you were moving on after the mission were the only ones who returned.

A lot of people are going to end up with saves where one of more of the squaddies was killed. Those of us who play the games over and over again, sure, we'll have at least one of those "perfect" saves. But most players will not.

And then there is the ME3 noob factor to consider. Bioware might think they need the complete new squaddie package, you know the "meet, get to know better, do loyalty mission, possibly romance" script we are already familiar with. If every squaddie in ME3 is a returning one from the two previous games, the poor noobs might feel overwhelmed.

We don't even know who we'll be working for in ME3. The Alliance? The Council? Cerberus? Someone new? Probably a new org, some sort of multi-species co-operative anti-Reaper venture I'd hazard an educated guess. Rainbow Six in space? This would be a perfect excuse to give us access to all manner of Asari Commandos, Salarian STG operators, Turian Spectres, etc.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

(lots of reasons for returning ME2 squaddies to be squaddies again in ME3)

Who knows what will happen, people were sure the ME1 squad would stick around too. Look what happened there, the two who told you were moving on after the mission were the only ones who returned.

A lot of people are going to end up with saves where one of more of the squaddies was killed. Those of us who play the games over and over again, sure, we'll have at least one of those "perfect" saves. But most players will not.

And then there is the ME3 noob factor to consider. Bioware might think they need the complete new squaddie package, you know the "meet, get to know better, do loyalty mission, possibly romance" script we are already familiar with. If every squaddie in ME3 is a returning one from the two previous games, the poor noobs might feel overwhelmed.

We don't even know who we'll be working for in ME3. The Alliance? The Council? Cerberus? Someone new? Probably a new org, some sort of multi-species co-operative anti-Reaper venture I'd hazard an educated guess. Rainbow Six in space? This would be a perfect excuse to give us access to all manner of Asari Commandos, Salarian STG operators, Turian Spectres, etc.

I think the most logical and likely thing for Bioware to do would to bring in the most popular few peeps from ME1 and ME2(Tali, Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus from what I can gather) which would probably make up the bulk of the crew for ME3. I'm thinking we'll get at LEAST Tali, Garrus, Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, and the most popular new ones from ME2.

And as fillers, Bioware I think will add some new people. I'd say somewhere between 11 to 13 squaddies total would be a safe bet. Plenty of slots to satisfy the hugely popular characters.

[xThunderblazex]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

(lots of reasons for returning ME2 squaddies to be squaddies again in ME3)

Who knows what will happen, people were sure the ME1 squad would stick around too. Look what happened there, the two who told you were moving on after the mission were the only ones who returned.

A lot of people are going to end up with saves where one of more of the squaddies was killed. Those of us who play the games over and over again, sure, we'll have at least one of those "perfect" saves. But most players will not.

And then there is the ME3 noob factor to consider. Bioware might think they need the complete new squaddie package, you know the "meet, get to know better, do loyalty mission, possibly romance" script we are already familiar with. If every squaddie in ME3 is a returning one from the two previous games, the poor noobs might feel overwhelmed.

We don't even know who we'll be working for in ME3. The Alliance? The Council? Cerberus? Someone new? Probably a new org, some sort of multi-species co-operative anti-Reaper venture I'd hazard an educated guess. Rainbow Six in space? This would be a perfect excuse to give us access to all manner of Asari Commandos, Salarian STG operators, Turian Spectres, etc.

The answer lies in his name, Shepard. He will unite everyone to work together to kill the Reapers. Everyone will most likely follow him, and Renegade Shepard will have the option of being the first Galactic Emperor.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

The only characters I truly want to return to finish the story with Shepard are Tali and Garrus. I'd say they are the characters most closely attached to Shepard, and have been there from the start, the middle, and hopefully the last.

Aside from Tali/Garrus....I do not care who is in ME3, only that their roles are well thought out and written.

Tali and Garrus are the ones I don't really care about. They told us they were leaving after ME1. I'm still waiting for that. Go on, git! Well, you can at least kill them off now.

Miranda and Mordin, Jacob and even Jack. Give me them over any more fanservice to the Tali & Garrus lobb-- fans.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

The only characters I truly want to return to finish the story with Shepard are Tali and Garrus. I'd say they are the characters most closely attached to Shepard, and have been there from the start, the middle, and hopefully the last.

Aside from Tali/Garrus....I do not care who is in ME3, only that their roles are well thought out and written.

Tali and Garrus are the ones I don't really care about. They told us they were leaving after ME1. I'm still waiting for that. Go on, git! Well, you can at least kill them off now.

Miranda and Mordin, Jacob and even Jack. Give me them over any more fanservice to the Tali & Garrus lobb-- fans.

to each their own. Though I'm personally not too worried about it. They've maintained a HUGE popularity throughout the series.

[unclee]

KainrycKarr wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

...Or they could bring back Kaidan/Ash, Liara, AND Garrus/Tali. Plus a mix of new and ME2 peeps that would make sense to stick around for the final fight(Jacob/Miranda).

The only ME2 squaddies that shouldn't return as squaddies in ME3 in my opinion, would be Thane(he's dying), Grunt, Jack, Zaeed(was just a merc), Samara/Morinth(she has justicar oath/Morinth isn't very major). These characters do not have strong ties into the main Reaper threat.

Mordin and Legion, I would expect and hope, would return to their respective peoples and serve roles similar to that of Wrex, as allies of Shepard against the Reapers rather than immediate squadmembers.

I think what I've listed is fairly reasonable, and would please the largest fanbase.

You just shafted the characters with the largest growing fanbases. Wow, fail.

I only went with logic. Obviously, I don't know exactly how popular the new characters are. But Tali/Garrus/ashley/Liara have been there from the start, have a huge, and well-known fan following, and thus would logically be the safest bet to include in ME3.

Personally? I don't like Liara, Kaidan, or Ashley, and could care less if they come back. I'd be perfectly happy having the same ME2 crew for ME3. I'm thinking purely from practicality.

The only characters I truly want to return to finish the story with Shepard are Tali and Garrus. I'd say they are the characters most closely attached to Shepard, and have been there from the start, the middle, and hopefully the last.

Aside from Tali/Garrus....I do not care who is in ME3, only that their roles are well thought out and written.

That's part of the reason why I want them to return. I think it would be a shame if the two characters who returned as squad members for ME2 didn't see the reaper threat through with Shepard.

Though Liara is probably the safest bet at this point (no chance of death in either game, etc.)

[SrslyUnfriendly]

@KainrycKarr

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall on this topic, reading your responses.

Your rebuttle only has to do with them needing direct connection with the Reapers in order to stay, disregarding all loyalties and friendship-building that should have occured on your vessel to ensure their survival to begin with. And that all the purposes you gave these people suddenly become irrelevant when you end the mission they should have died on and continue needing them.

Grunt states very clearly, when you meet him, that he's with you until he runs out of stuff to shoot. I don't see why he would go out of his way to go specifically find other things to shoot when you've got HUGE things to with Shepard. Grunt likes that. Play with him, you'll hear his comments some. Why does Jack's emotional stability have to do with anything? You helped her get some form of revenge on the people who did her the utmost wrongs, yet you seem to think that would mean absolutely nothing to a person. She was only initially ticked because of the Cerberus connection, and now there is none (Paragon). I can see you've never been traumatized. Have you ever spent any time sitting talking with Miranda, or noticing where abouts she is? There's no way to fully know where her loyalties lie, she's extremely tied into Cerberus and supports their ideals every turn she gets. Jacob is also up in the air, consider how long he's been with Miranda. I don't remember Samara saying that, ever, and I played with her quite thoroughly.

EDIT: Awmg forgot Thane! He's dying regardless. Where is he gonna go, go die somewhere in a corner when he can do right in the world? You gave his life a purpose.If you hadn't interrupted the assassination, he would have been dead there. Thane's a very noble character, I doubt he'd pass up a chance to do something to attone for his sins before he passes away. I forgot Mordin too, but he states he wants to stop the Reapers. So that's pointless.

You just built a team. You just lived a suicide mission with them. You survived the impossible with them. They were going to die anyway, and gave up all in their lives to do so. Other than Grunt and Morinth, they just want the excitement. If we think in more militial terms, it's like you just built a squad, strapped on some bombs, went and blew up a base, but didn't actually die from it.

Give a little more credit to humanization in the characters, dude. EVERYONE there thought they were going in to die. And then, they didn't.

Plus, I realise Bioware confirmed Shep's Me1 romance is in Me3. And that you didn't say anything about Wrex. Go you?

Modifié par SrslyUnfriendly, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:11 .

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...


to each their own. Though I'm personally not too worried about it. They've maintained a HUGE popularity throughout the series.

Well, since they are killable, at least I can choose to snuff them out in my future ME2 games, should they pop up unwelcome and unwanted in ME3.

YOu should remember tho, that Wrex was even more popular back in the ME1 days... And that the Mass Effect trilogy isn't the "Shepard, Tali, and Garrus show". It's the "Shepard show".

[ourbluebird]

The romance from ME1 is supposed to be epic~ and carry through all three games. It's not over, it's just going through a rough patch. Hang in there (or pick another love interest and see what the consequences will be in ME3).

[KainrycKarr]

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

@KainrycKarr

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall on this topic, reading your responses.

Your rebuttle only has to do with them needing direct connection with the Reapers in order to stay, disregarding all loyalties and friendship-building that should have occured on your vessel to ensure their survival to begin with. And that all the purposes you gave these people suddenly become irrelevant when you end the mission they should have died on and continue needing them.

Grunt states very clearly, when you meet him, that he's with you until he runs out of stuff to shoot. I don't see why he would go out of his way to go specifically find other things to shoot when you've got HUGE things to with Shepard. Grunt likes that. Play with him, you'll hear his comments some. Why does Jack's emotional stability have to do with anything? You helped her get some form of revenge on the people who did her the utmost wrongs, yet you seem to think that would mean absolutely nothing to a person. She was only initially ticked because of the Cerberus connection, and now there is none (Paragon). I can see you've never been traumatized. Have you ever spent any time sitting talking with Miranda, or noticing where abouts she is? There's no way to fully know where her loyalties lie, she's extremely tied into Cerberus and supports their ideals every turn she gets. Jacob is also up in the air, consider how long he's been with Miranda.

You just built a team. You just lived a suicide mission with them. You survived the impossible with them. They were going to die anyway, and gave up all in their lives to do so. Other than Grunt and Morinth, they just want the excitement. If we think in more militial terms, it's like you just built a squad, strapped on some bombs, went and blew up a base, but didn't actually die from it.

Give a little more credit to humanization in the characters, dude. EVERYONE there thought they were going in to die. And then, they didn't.

Plus, I realise Bioware confirmed Shep's Me1 romance is in Me3. And that you didn't say anything about Wrex. Go you?

What's with the hostility? I don't care who comes back other than my personal two faves(Tali/Garrus). I'm only using logic for a story point. I like the new characters. They are better written, animated, and more engaging in every way to me, than the ME1 characters.

I wasn't aware we were arguing...I thought it was a discussion.