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[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...


to each their own. Though I'm personally not too worried about it. They've maintained a HUGE popularity throughout the series.

Well, since they are killable, at least I can choose to snuff them out in my future ME2 games, should they pop up unwelcome and unwanted in ME3.

YOu should remember tho, that Wrex was even more popular back in the ME1 days... And that the Mass Effect trilogy isn't the "Shepard, Tali, and Garrus show". It's the "Shepard show".

Yeah...but that doesn't exactly invalidate my opinion lol.

It isn't the Shepard, Liara, and Ashley/Kaidan Show either by that logic.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:10 .

[SrslyUnfriendly]

@KainrycKarr



You seem to mistake my words, arguments=debates=discussions, it's irrelevant. And I'm not hostile, typed letters lack proper tone



@ourbluebird



I don't see any romance with Ashley being epic. Just putting that out there.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yeah...but that doesn't exactly invalidate my opinion lol.

Your opinion being that they are your favorites, and you want them to return? No beef with that.

It isn't the Shepard, Liara, and Ashley/Kaidan Show either by that logic.

Indeed not, as can be seen by their anemic cameo roles in ME2. But the devs are on record saying that Liara, Ash, and Kaidan needed to be spared the possiblity of dying in the suicide mission. Whether that turns out to be a comforting lie to their fans, or an implication about the ME2 squaddies being expendable, we will see in a few years time. Perhaps earlier.

[KainrycKarr]

SrslyUnfriendly wrote...

@KainrycKarr

You seem to mistake my words, arguments=debates=discussions, it's irrelevant. And I'm not hostile, typed letters lack proper tone

@ourbluebird

I don't see any romance with Ashley being epic. Just putting that out there.

I'm inclined to agree. Ashley fails completely and utterly for me in every way. Bores me to tears. Liara slightly less so, though I felt they ruined who she was in ME2, and need to re-establish who she's supposed to be if they want her "story" to be taken seriously.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yeah...but that doesn't exactly invalidate my opinion lol.

Your opinion being that they are your favorites, and you want them to return? No beef with that.

It isn't the Shepard, Liara, and Ashley/Kaidan Show either by that logic.

Indeed not, as can be seen by their anemic cameo roles in ME2. But the devs are on record saying that Liara, Ash, and Kaidan needed to be spared the possiblity of dying in the suicide mission. Whether that turns out to be a comforting lie to their fans, or an implication about the ME2 squaddies being expendable, we will see in a few years time. Perhaps earlier.

I'm sticking with my original story. I think it'll be a mix of both. The original LI's will return, as will Garrus and Tali. the combined popularity of those four(Kaidan, the fifth in my count, has a significantly lower following) is just to big to snuff out for the ending. I think it will be those characters, plus a mixed batch of ME2 characters, and ME3 newbies.

I hope.

[ourbluebird]

@ SrslyUnfriendly

I was just addressing the people who believed that the angry confrontation/e-mail was the last you were ever going to see of your ME1 love interest. I'm pretty sure it's already been stated that the relationship carries through all three games and I'm assuming it doesn't end unless you a.) cheat and pick a new LI or b.) somehow end it in the third game. 

I agree about Ashley though. Not one of my favourite characters. 

Modifié par ourbluebird, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:23 .

[Aethelwulf1066]

They are almost certainly going to have to include ME2 characters in ME3 as playable squadmates. They may change the imported save feature to only add certain things, like stat bonuses, paragon/renegade scores, certain decisions made in the game. But it may not configure your game based on who died in the suicide mission. Bio may pre-pick who they wish to include from ME2, and that will be who you get from ME2. Other decisions like destroying or keeping the collector base would certainly be included though.



Why? They need to appease both crowds, while still giving a small bit of room for a few new characters. This doesn't mean everyone from ME2 will be back, just ones that Bioware feels should be with Shepard in the final fight. While at the same time, Ashley/Kaiden and Liara fans will get their loved companions back.



This sounds like a likely situation, and a good compromise.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I'm sticking with my original story. I think it'll be a mix of both. The original LI's will return, as will Garrus and Tali. the combined popularity of those four(Kaidan, the fifth in my count, has a significantly lower following) is just to big to snuff out for the ending. I think it will be those characters, plus a mixed batch of ME2 characters, and ME3 newbies.

I hope.

Hoping is about all we can do at this point. The various theories on who has the biggest plot reason to return don't hold much water with me, since the two ME1 squaddies who returned were the ones most set on leaving Shepard at the end of ME1. The same thing can easily happen for ME3.

But... Tali and Garrus WILL be dead in some of my games. It's not even a 50/50 chance for life as with Ash and Kaidan. The only one who the devs know for sure to live, in everyone's game both ME1 veteran and ME3 noob, will be Liara and the Virmire survivor (for whom they can write a somewhat, but hopefully not totally, overlapping role). Think the writers won't take advantage of that, in a game already swamped by so many story variables and possible plot threads?

[Aethelwulf1066]

They did leave after ME1. You ran into them two years later. They left to do their own thing when you died. You ran into them, and they decided to rejoin you. I'm pretty sure the Lazarus project was only for Shepard. I also didn't see a Turian and Quarian body being spaced with Shepard's.

[Mox Ruuga]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

They did leave after ME1. You ran into them two years later. They left to do their own thing when you died. You ran into them, and they decided to rejoin you. I'm pretty sure the Lazarus project was only for Shepard. I also didn't see a Turian and Quarian body being spaced with Shepard's.

My point was to discredit any speculation based on what you think the ME2 squad will do after the game concerning their roles for ME3. We didn't know there was a time gap between ME1 and ME2, so people figured we would be keeping the squad who didn't want to leave us after Sovereign and Saren were dealt with.

See where that line of thinking led us?

You think Tali and Garrus will be with us because they have now defeated (for some players) two major threats with Shepard and lived? Not necessarily. Perhaps they will get their own comic series, set between ME2 and ME3... Explaining why they behave so oddly in their camoes in the last game. 

[Fishy]

p0mt3 wrote...

Precursor2552 wrote...

What bugs me is less that we didn't get to resolve anything, but the fact that they consider it cheating. The way I acted towards Williams was kinda worthy of a break up IMO(some Renegade stuff and never calling her after coming back...) the email and what she said was kind the end of the relationship. So if she ended it why can't Sheppard start dating Miranda? Its not cheating, Ash and Shep aren't dating anymore.

Because BioWare can't program a hundred different scenarios for your romance for ME 3. Some limits have to exist, or else these games could be ten discs long.

Just like in real life, if you truly are in love with someone, you're not going to get over them right after they leave you; you're going to remain loyal to them regardless, at least for a while. You want Ash? Then control your primal urges until the final installment. 

Anyway, I'm not sure what Ash's E-Mail said in your game, but in my playthrough she basically told me she couldn't follow me where I'm head at that point in my life, but our future remains open. How is that a 'break-up' by any stretch of the imagination? She's confused about my involvement with terrorists, and wants to wait until things are more stable before continuing on with me. Seems reasonable to me.

My advice; if you just can't wait for more action: play through the game several times while waiting for ME 3, get every piece of ass imaginable in the game, then when ME 3 draws near, play ME 2 a final time while remaining loyal to Ash. Then you'll be squared away, while still satisfied romantically while you wait. I mean, it's not like you can only play through the game one time and never change your decisions, lol.

Yeah exactly .. You can play the game many time and  in many different way..That what i will do!!!!

[Ibby1kanobi]

Ash walked out on me after Horizon. Without any sort of apology or discussion. I don't owe that chick anything. Plus, Miranda is the better LI of the two anyway. I was getting sick of the anti-alien talk, coupled with poetry.

[Homebound]

manwiththemachinegun wrote...

Real realationships go through ups and downs too.

My Tali is dead.

[I SuPreMacY 32I]

Here's what I expect from Mass Effect 3: Return of the Shepherd. And I can say with high degree of certainty that this will be the GENERAL formula Bioware is will do.



All out war against the Reapers. No more lies or deceit. Citadel space will be invaded. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to command the citadel's defense.

-- If wrex died in the first game, well shucks, no krogan army for you

-- If you killed the Rachni, dangit it, no rachni troops either.

-- If Tali is exiled from the migrant fleet, AND/OR the migrant fleet goes to war with the geth, well shucks, no quarian troops for you either.



As for how they handle characters from the first games this is how it'll be:

-- Minor cameos by wrex, provided you didn't kill him, same goes for tali, each leading their respective troops.

-- Ashley/Kaidan and Liara, will return in all their glory. If you cheated on them their will be reprecussions. Of course you could just not have a love interest in either ME1, to save yourself for a ME2 Love interest, or be abstinent in ME2

-- The only real question is how they will deal with the mryiad of choices and characters which may stick around after ME2. I am positive that they will have programmed in resolutions to, at the very minimum, all possible love interests, providing you didn't let them die.

[AndroLeonidas]

KainrycKarr wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Every ME2 squaddie can die, every one. Unless Bioware gives them interchangable minor roles (kinda what they did in ME2 with Ash and Kaidan), it will take Lazarus project level bulls#!ttery reset button hitting to bring say, Tali and Garrus back. Both will have died in some players' games. I personally intend to kill them (for RPG reasons, give one of my Sheps even more regret in addition to the deaths of Wrex and Ash in ME1 etc) in some playthroughs. They got their moment in the sun, while the rest of the ME1 squad was marginalized. Turn about in ME3 will only be fair.

Besides, I get the feeling that Bioware enjoys creating new squad member characters. Just look how the DA:O expansion will feature a whole new cast (with one exception). There's even less sense in that, than in making Ash, Liara, and Kaidan busy with more important stuff than the threat of the Collectors and/or Reapers.

...Or they could bring back Kaidan/Ash, Liara, AND Garrus/Tali. Plus a mix of new and ME2 peeps that would make sense to stick around for the final fight(Jacob/Miranda).

The only ME2 squaddies that shouldn't return as squaddies in ME3 in my opinion, would be Thane(he's dying), Grunt, Jack, Zaeed(was just a merc), Samara/Morinth(she has justicar oath/Morinth isn't very major). These characters do not have strong ties into the main Reaper threat.

Mordin and Legion, I would expect and hope, would return to their respective peoples and serve roles similar to that of Wrex, as allies of Shepard against the Reapers rather than immediate squadmembers.

I think what I've listed is fairly reasonable, and would please the largest fanbase.

You just shafted the characters with the largest growing fanbases. Wow, fail.

I only went with logic. Obviously, I don't know exactly how popular the new characters are. But Tali/Garrus/ashley/Liara have been there from the start, have a huge, and well-known fan following, and thus would logically be the safest bet to include in ME3.

Personally? I don't like Liara, Kaidan, or Ashley, and could care less if they come back. I'd be perfectly happy having the same ME2 crew for ME3. I'm thinking purely from practicality.

The only characters I truly want to return to finish the story with Shepard are Tali and Garrus. I'd say they are the characters most closely attached to Shepard, and have been there from the start, the middle, and hopefully the last.

Aside from Tali/Garrus....I do not care who is in ME3, only that their roles are well thought out and written.

I have to agree for the most part with this. I never cared for Ashley really. I thought of her as racist among other things...

Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Mordin, Legion, Liara, Grunt for sure. Maybe Thane and one or two others. For me... I got dumped by Liara and started a relationship with Miranda(though not really wanting too, they just made it too hard to stay loyal after how she treats you), if they both were in ME3 it might be interesting to see who I choose by the end of the game.

[WarmachineX0]

IMO, Tali and Garus was given roles in this one, like the roles they should have had in ME1. Yes, they can die in ME2, but Ash/Kad could die in ME1, yet Bioware still had their roles written.



Both Tali and Garrus are pivital characters, more so then anyother ME2 character. And, as of now, they have had more ME playtime then anyother charcters in the game. Bioware would be pissing on their customers if they were only given minor roles, or none at all, as they are charcters most of us have come to care about, even morse then our ME1 LIs.

[SpideyKnight]

You Rp'ers need to go find a D20 or a server in WoW and move on. This game is about being Shepard and even the Paragon Shepard knows that anytime he had to sacrifice someone that is the burden of command. He doesn't have time to mope about. There's bad guys that need hyper velocity slugs through their heads.



You've pretty much proven my point though, the only people who will import "Bad endings" will be people like the rp'ers and people who are all "OMG THE CHOICES IN ME1 DIDNT MATTER AS MUCH AS THEY SHOULD HAVE OMGZ." People testing permutations are people who are going to buy the game anyway. Why market to you? There's no need to. They need to market to people who just played ME2 who are going back to ME1 to see what they missed, who are interested in ME3, new, larger audiences, for bigger and more expansive gameplay experiences. Gears of War isn't killing off Marcus, Dom, The Cole Train, etc... and for good reason. Halo: ODST sales were a fraction of Halo 3's. These series have iconic characters, characters that people don't want to see go away. Telling the masses that they can't get back Garrus or Tali or whoever because some random bad somewhere might have gotten them killed either for some twisted rp experience or by just general sucking is not likely to cut it. It would be doing the game a disservice, basically limiting the game, while trying to give unlimited choices within it.



I, and by the looks of it, many others would not be happy.

[darkknigh03]

If you are a true fan of the series you wont care who is in your squad cus you will trust bioware to do the right thing. sure i would love to see my squad back specially miranda and grunt. but I am not going to care because is not even a week after the 2nd game has been out and people are already speculating to much. All I know is when ME3 comes out, no matter who is part of your crew i will probably buy it and enjoy it as much i did the other 2 games.

[manwiththemachinegun]

If you thought of Ashley as a space racist, I'm tempted to say you really weren't paying all that close attention to what she actually said beyond her Citadel comments. They're no different than Miranda's who gets way less flak despite BEING in Cerberus.



Like I said, I'm not so much disappointed about the Horizon shock, anger, horror that Shepard is alive after they finished grieving. I'm disappointed the subplot ended with a whimper instead of a bang. Even Liara made out better than Kaidan or Ashley. At least she has a location you can meet her at in the game world. Ash and Kai show up and *poof* they're gone. Why bother bringing back the VAs at all when all they get is two minutes worth of dialog out of a 20 hour or more game? Even Wrex who was also a 'kill/live' character choice got more material than they did!

[Illum.se]

I would pay good money for a DLC that would de-program Liana from that "ignore-the-one-you-melded-with" sect she is in now, and to have her act like she is actually a partner in some sense.



Dragon Age was full of meaningful dialogue about anything and nothing, your companions history, belief, wishes and drives. Even if you want to cut the ME1 romances out of the action, at least add some damn dialogue(!), so as not to shaft the whole part of the ME community who thought they would be able to continue with a good social element to the game.

[Javanaut]

Um.. guys. You were presumed dead for TWO YEARS. In fact, you WERE dead.  I don't care how much I liked/loved someone. If I thought they were dead for 2 years, I'd have moved on long ago. Then if they suddenly showed up somewhere I wouldn't just drop everything and hop back on board. Even if it was just on a professional level.

Modifié par Javanaut, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:16 .

[Illum.se]

Javanaut wrote...

Um.. guys. You were presumed dead for TWO YEARS. In fact, you WERE dead.  I don't care how much I liked/loved someone. If I thought they were dead for 2 years, I'd have moved on long ago. Then if they suddenly showed up somewhere I wouldn't just drop everything and hop back on board. Even if it was just on a professional level.

First of all, I'm a damn fan-boy too, so I could of course also make up any number of lame excuses for Bioware to drop the relations-ball between the trilogy chapters. The thing is, these games, which are ultimately a whole lot about social interaction (considering how much gametime is shooting and how much is conversation), should not do a total reset on choices as big as choice of partner.

Second of all, while playing ME1 I found out that Asari can live for hundreds of years or something, which would mean that two years in her timeframe, isn't much worse than waiting for your next paycheck. Even in a human timeframe, two years ain't **** if you found yourself a soulmate, which is pretty damn obvious for anyone older than 18. The conversation options should at least include something less daft than "I need to get going". I as a player feel shafted for not having something like "omfg you my soulmate you, let's at least have a coffee and discuss things", it could be a 5 second cutscene or something.

I want a DLC adding some extra content for those of us who actually bothered to play Mass Effect (and who don't change women like we change underwear) before trying this game, which is apparently a sequel somehow...

[manwiththemachinegun]

That's pretty much my feeling Illum. Yes, it likely that many people would move on two years after a loved one died. Not everyone, but most. However, in a video game, there is a certain amount of investment that you put into your relationships, and as a player you expect to be rewarded for that. Mass Effect is the story of YOUR Shepard, if Bioware wants the player to chose their path, and they DO, there need to be appropriate rewards for your choices.

I've seen a lot of angry reactions from players that were essentially, "THIS is the reward I get for saving your ass on Virmire? Screw you!" My point, those characters deserved better than being handed the idiot ball. In essence, it seems like the writers pulled an automatic reset on the relationships just so you wouldn't feel bad about tapping Miranda or Tali. I'm just saying, there were a lot of other options for that that didn't involve making Kaidan and Ashley looking like morons thinking Shepard is a traitor and making the player feel frustrated because they don't have control. Such as:

Shepard not wanting K/A to come on the sucide mission because they have to strengthen the Alliance and warn them about the Reapers.

Asking them to use Alliance contacts to unofficially investigate the Collectors.

Having a tearful reuinion, with K/A understanding that you have some space bugs to wreck before you can try to pick things up again.

Like I said in post one, all will be forgiven so long as Ashley and Kaidan actually have an interesting role in Mass Effect 3 beyond, "Surprise! Thought we left you didn't ya!"

Modifié par manwiththemachinegun, 01 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[Rinpoo]

It is weird, when I first plaid mass effect I didn't care at all about Liara and Ash. I didn't like either romance but there were no choices other than those two. Ironically the one I was interested in ME 1 was Tali, and not knowing only ash and Liara were the only romance options when I first plaid the game I tried to romance Tali.. only to have Liara try to sleep with me my first time through. Then I found out Ash/Liara were all I could get so I plaid again and tried Ash. I love romance but just stuck to what I had because I really didn't plan on a ME 2 and even if i did I didn't expect choices to Carry over like they did. So then I get to ME 2 and find out the person I wanted to romance in the first place was a romance option..... Needless to say I dumped ash quickly for my TRUE love LOL, but in all seriousness I WOULD have stuck with my ME 1 romance even if "she" was not in the party or was an ass to me. Because she was the romance I wanted to begin with. Bioware is interested in seeing who sticks with Ash and Liara, but when they are the only options it makes it less of an "I cant cheat on Ash/Liara" and more I FINALLY can romance [Insert character here]. That doesn't even apply to Tali specifically. Jack and Miranda, Thane etc all have very different and likable personality's. I do not know.. I just feel kinda forced that I had to enjoy specific romances in the first game, only to have a broader option in the second game, all the while guilt tripping me for ditching the romances I didn't particularly want to begin with.

[epoch_]

Rinpoo wrote...

It is weird, when I first plaid mass effect I didn't care at all about Liara and Ash. I didn't like either romance but there were no choices other than those two. Ironically the one I was interested in ME 1 was Tali, and not knowing only ash and Liara were the only romance options when I first plaid the game I tried to romance Tali.. only to have Liara try to sleep with me my first time through. Then I found out Ash/Liara were all I could get so I plaid again and tried Ash. I love romance but just stuck to what I had because I really didn't plan on a ME 2 and even if i did I didn't expect choices to Carry over like they did. So then I get to ME 2 and find out the person I wanted to romance in the first place was a romance option..... Needless to say I dumped ash quickly for my TRUE love LOL, but in all seriousness I WOULD have stuck with my ME 1 romance even if "she" was not in the party or was an ass to me. Because she was the romance I wanted to begin with. Bioware is interested in seeing who sticks with Ash and Liara, but when they are the only options it makes it less of an "I cant cheat on Ash/Liara" and more I FINALLY can romance [Insert character here]. That doesn't even apply to Tali specifically. Jack and Miranda, Thane etc all have very different and likable personality's. I do not know.. I just feel kinda forced that I had to enjoy specific romances in the first game, only to have a broader option in the second game, all the while guilt tripping me for ditching the romances I didn't particularly want to begin with.

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