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[deusofnull]

uberman409 wrote...

How's about it turns out that it was all a scheme by Bill Gates's disembodied spirit to finally corner the software market?

How about your Avatars beard is freaking huge..

Oh and OP... you didnt really figure it out, Bioware told you.  It wasnt really unclear once you finished the game.  Back in ME1, well, we could only speculate. 

Answer me this though, we have seen Two reapers who look the same (Soverign and the dilapitated one).  "Our" reaper, the collector designed Human Reaper, looks like us.   We can assume that reapers are designed, in some part, to look like one of the species it is trying to destory.
In the ending scene where you see all the reapers flying towards the Milky way, many of them if not MOST looked exactly the same, lima bean "body" with glowy lines and tentacles.  Which species was this, why are they so plentiful in harvested Reaper Ship design.  They arent the prothean design.

[luet1991]

Your right. The odd thing is, when you look at Harbinger during the final mission as he looks up to the hologram of the reaper before it cuts out, he looks EXACTLY like the reapers. Seems to me that, since the Reapers were unable to assimilate Protheans, they genetically modified the Protheans not to brainwash them, but to make THEM look like the Reapers, instead of the traditional making of Reapers look like their Enemies! Course, they also did it to brainwash them, but they could have easily left their physical appearance the same, would have been easier.



We'll never know what design the Reapers are, as they are from a cycle BEFORE the Protheans.

[Giantevilhead]

The Reapers still need the Citadel to enter the galaxy. Unless they're right on the fringe of the galaxy, it could take them hundreds, maybe thousands of years to actually get to the Milky Way using FTL.



It's also unlikely that anyone can really put up much of a fight against the Reapers. Sovereign was bigger than a Dreadnaught and there are less than 100 Dreadnaughts in the galaxy while there are hundreds of Reapers.

[Keltoris]

Harbinger is very likely a Reaper.

[luet1991]

Impossible, Harbinger was entirely organic. He may have been a vessel for a Reaper to conrtol through indoctrination, but impossible that he himself is indeed a Reaper.

[Keltoris]

luet1991 wrote...

Impossible, Harbinger was entirely organic. He may have been a vessel for a Reaper to conrtol through indoctrination, but impossible that he himself is indeed a Reaper.

At the very end, as you blow up the statio and see the 4+ legged Collector overseer scuttling around the room with the display, Harbinger says "You have failed. We have other methods. Releasing control." And the overseer's eye's go dim.

[luet1991]

Keltoris wrote...

luet1991 wrote...

Impossible, Harbinger was entirely organic. He may have been a vessel for a Reaper to conrtol through indoctrination, but impossible that he himself is indeed a Reaper.

At the very end, as you blow up the statio and see the 4+ legged Collector overseer scuttling around the room with the display, Harbinger says "You have failed. We have other methods. Releasing control." And the overseer's eye's go dim.

Exactly, Harbinger wasn't a Reaper, but just a collector being controlled by a Reaper via Indoctrination. Funny thing is, when that happens, and Harbinger comes too, you can actually see him feel sad. As if he was held against his will the entire time, and when he finally comes to, he has to die a painful death.

[Keltoris]

SwobyJ wrote...

Um, no. Pretty sure Harbinger is a Reaper, using the Collector Leader as an avatar through a control method similar to when Saren was taken over.

Pretty much. That's why it said Collector General the first couple of times, then swapped to Harbinger (Subtitles work wonders). Although the controls were far better than Sarens.

The collectors aren't set up to have individuals.

[luet1991]

Keltoris wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Um, no. Pretty sure Harbinger is a Reaper, using the Collector Leader as an avatar through a control method similar to when Saren was taken over.

Pretty much. That's why it said Collector General the first couple of times, then swapped to Harbinger (Subtitles work wonders). Although the controls were far better than Sarens.

The collectors aren't set up to have individuals.

I know, that's why I felt so confused, though moved, at when you got to see the Collector General at the end after his control has been released. He collapses against the side of a wall and slowly looks up right before the place explodes. It really makes me feel there is more to the collectors than we found out. I mean sure, they aren't Protheans anymore, but it's still like he was aware that the decisions he made were not his own and he felt so depressed about it. Course, he was looking at certain death, but still.

[Medet]

JohnPazur wrote...

Keltoris wrote...

That's a bad twist.

Because their tech has more than 50k years behind it. Also why the hell would it be Ancient Humans? :S

I blame bungie, for I saw that humans were the forerunners descendents at the end of the second game.

Stupid!!!

Hell, they told you as much half way through Halo 1.
Anyways, lets not do the whole ancient civilization was really ancient humans thing, sound good BioWare?

Reapers are the uploaded consciousness of lab mice. little white lab mice. You heard it here first.

[iamdavidmontes]

I believe that what the Reapers do is:



A) Collect enough of a species to create a SPECIES-REAPER hybrid i.e. the human-reaper; this acts as the Reapers brain.



Then, they



create the outer exoskeleton for the reaper, which is where the appearance of a giant ship comes from,



And then



C) They go back into dark space until the next cycle.





The reasons for this are unknown, although I speculate it has something to do with a greater threat coming, and the reapers being the only line of defense and needing the abilities of basically every single species on their team.

Kind of like how when you raid in an MMO you want a healer, a tank, etc. Each species plays a certain role. And as for the bodies, think the alien from MIB who was inside that dudes head.

[hitorihanzo]

luet1991 wrote...

My thoughts on how ME3 is going to play out.

The Reapers want to kill all organic life, but keep humans alive for a short amount of time to create Human Reapers. Why? We killed one, and the Reapers now recognize the strength the human race has and want to add it to their army. Every Cycle, I believe the reapers not only kill, but seek out power and try to harness it for their own use just in case the next cycle gets tougher.

Now obviously the choices you make will carry over from ME1 all the way to ME3, from the smallest ones such as punching that one kid to trail the Turian, all teh way to re-writing the Geth and having a geth army, as well as a Krogan army under Wrex's name. The Krogan would serve as the main ground pounders of the war against Husks and whatever robots the Reapers might make to replace the collectors, while the Geth would serve as the main sabotage group fighting the Reapers from both space and ground, the main purpose to hack and gain intel while injecting viruses into the Reapers with the intel you gained in ME2.

The Quarians, if you helped Tali succeed against the trial, will be likely to help you and not try to reclaim the homeworld the Geth have taken, surving as engineers for the warships. Can anyone say "Beam me up, Tali!" Course, not beaming, but making sure that warships have enough power/armour/shields against the Reapers in space combat. Their marines may help, but probably on their own ships to retaliate from boarding parties.

The Alliance may help, depending on how you handled both the News casts from the Mass Effect games. I think I did fairly well, as I made her look like an idiot in the first one, and made her look like a heartless **** by naming all the ships that gave their lives. Also, I believe successfully getting all twenty dog tags while in Cerberus will show the Alliance you are still loyal to them, and will be more inclined to lean your way when a war breaks out.

If you hand over the collector ship to Cerberus, they will probably help you, but at a great cost. This is one of those helpers you want then, but regret it after the fact. Only time will tell if handing over the collector ship and not destroying it will have severe consequences. If you don't hand it over, I think they will still help, but they will not have as much power at their disposal to help you with.

Rachni are going to help, the entire race is forever indebted to you, and they will see it as an opportunity to make their entrance back into the commonwealth of Citadel space by assisting in eradicating the Reapers. A grand asset indeed, as now their only purpose in life is to build their people again. Preventing the Reapers not only helps Sheperd, but helps them live on in turn.

The Council won't help you at all. Face it, they would rather stand by their beliefs than admit a human was right until it's too late and the only option is to have the humans save their asses. It's true. They do not want to help you because they do not want to admit they are going to die.

The Turians/Asari will not help you unless the reapers come themselves.

That's my guesses on what will happen if you aid those people in ME1 and ME2 for the chain of events in ME3. Oh, and maybe the shadow broker, but I doubt it.

A couple of things I think would change (great post btw.)

1.  If you re-write the Geth instead of destroying them, it is possible that the Quarians will NOT help you much and protect their own interests.  The Geth keep their homeworld.  The re-written Geth return and possibly drive all of the Geth, Legion included, insane.  Possibly you are forced to destroy him.

2.  The Asari will help if you survived the attack on the collector base and saved Samara.   The word of a Justicar would carry a LOT of weight.

3.  Cerberus will help with the Reapers but the Illusive Man will become a huge problem afterwards.  He will be the antagonists for the Mass Effect games that come after ME3 wraps up Commander Shepards storyline.  Emperor Illusive Man,perhaps?

[pterrell]

Elithranduil wrote...

How about this for a twist.

Ancient Humans were the race that created the Reapers. They did so because Mass Effect technology becomes incredibly dangerous to the fabric of the Universe that no civilisation can be allowed to advance beyond 50,000 years of accumulated technology - if life is not periodically reset the whole universe could implode.

If you really like this general idea pick up a book called The Excalibur Alternative. Thats pretty much the idea of the story

[Alneverus]

iamdavidmontes wrote...

The reasons for this are unknown, although I speculate it has something to do with a greater threat coming, and the reapers being the only line of defense and needing the abilities of basically every single species on their team.
Kind of like how when you raid in an MMO you want a healer, a tank, etc. Each species plays a certain role. And as for the bodies, think the alien from MIB who was inside that dudes head.

I've wondered if the reason the Reapers exist isn't due to one of the theories about the end of the Universe. Basically a theory is that the Universe will simply keep expanding to a point in which cells would be the size of planets and organic life couldn't sustain itself. Thus the Reapers hoard resources and 'save' the best of the races from an extinction to increase the probability of survival in this environment. It has been years but the number was in the trillions of years. So if they hoard enough resources they could extend their time until needing to find a new way to continue existing.

[The Shadow Broker]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

ME3 is gonna be some kick-ass war against the Reaper armada seen at the ending of the game approaching our GALAXY (Milky Way). I hope the ending is not taken from the choices of ME3, but from the entire ME trilogy.
Atleast a special ending for those who import all the way through ME1 to ME3. Either way, it better have the BIGGEST TWIST IN HISTORY AT THE END, YOU HEAR THAT BIOWARE & EA!!!!!!!!! DONT LET IT END WITH JUST SOME WAR AND THATS IT, I WANT A NEVER BEFORE DONE ENDING (like the possible end of our civilazation and/or human dominance across the galaxy, and it must end in PLANET EARTH).                                                
                                                                                                       Got carried away, sorry.

amen, i hope they hear that

[Lisinity]

Twist: The Turian Councilor is actually another indoctrinated Turian, because of leftover pieces from Soveirgn embedded somewhere into the Citadel's body. This would explain his total ignorance to the Reaper threat; it's all one well thought out scheme.



Ah yes, a 'twist'.



/sarcasm

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Here's a twist for you to chew on.................the reason the Reapers exterminate ADVANCED civilizations, is because we are destroying the stars faster than the stars can "repair" themselves!

We, as supposed civilized folk, are killing the galaxy at an ever increasing rate, therefore the Reapers, 'cull the herd' so to speak, to reduce the intergalactic destruction 'we' impose!!

[foolish replica]

^^^ that sounds like this episode of star trek tng i saw once; were the crew meets these scientists
that claims that warp speed is shredding the universe. and i really hope they don't go with the
"actually protecting us from outside forces" thing that just doesn't sound good to me imo.

Modifié par foolish replica, 23 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[Lothial]

Elithranduil wrote...

The Reapers were designed to protect the Galaxy from the nefarious attempts at invasion by the surrounding evil Galaxies.

However, Reaper programming soon came to the conclusion that in order to best protect the Mass Effect Galaxy from outside threats they would need to bolster their own army to fulfill their objective by incorporating the best of every successive civilisation into humongous entities of unmatched power.

They then guard the border in Dark Space and return once in a while to replenish their numbers and go back to defending us all.

It's for our own good.

That's interesting.

[InfernoFlameZERO]

This is the Reapers!!!

[Hejhej1234]

I have no doubt what the "reapers" are doing is for our own(as a species) good. But they are so much more advanced than us that we can't see/understand the big picture.

The reapers are eternal machines, they have a grand plan. We are simple races in the early organic stages of evolution. We don't have anything to fight for, we age and when we die we are gone. Why even bother? The reapers offer notable species an eternal place in the galaxy. The process of so doing seem cruel to us (for obvious reasons) since our simple minds can't comprehend the motives. We are too focused on our individual perception of life, when in reality there is only a singular consciousness per race.

[Arhka]

Is it me, or does Shepard sound more like Saren + extras?



-Spectre w/ cybernetics

-First human/youngest(Saren) Spectre

-Army of Geth

-Army of Krogan

-Army of Rachni

-Possible Quarians(Shepard)

-Believe in "Reapers"

[Hejhej1234]

Arhka wrote...

Is it me, or does Shepard sound more like Saren + extras?

-Spectre w/ cybernetics
-First human/youngest(Saren) Spectre
-Army of Geth
-Army of Krogan
-Army of Rachni
-Possible Quarians(Shepard)
-Believe in "Reapers"

Yep, might very well be a plot twist in ME3. That Shepard is indeed indoctrinated. Pretty brilliant implementation of the whole indoctrination idea if you ask me

Modifié par Hejhej1234, 23 février 2010 - 04:28 .