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[TheMadCat]

I'll say this. It is a bit odd that Bioware has put Oghren in these trailers plain as day yet are still hellbent on keeping this "Old Favorite" unconfirmed through words. It makes me wonder if we are just skimming on the surface and there is much more to this aspect a little deeper down. Whats the point of keeping it secret only to turn around and show it in a short little trailer only to continue remaining silent.

[Challseus]

I'm not looking forward to him coming back (if that is the case). He was my least favorable party member.

[ComTrav]

Lakmoots wrote...

I don't think I have *ever* seen anyone respond even remotely well to the "returning party member" in Awakening.

I don't think *anyone* wants Oghren as the guy to come back...

In a game full of great personalities and deep emotional investments - he was a 2D cliche thrown in for laughs.

I personally loved how Dwarves were made so they were *not* silly comic reliefs. No beards, plenty of female Dwarves, it was certainly a breath of fresh air.

That was somewhat staled by Oghren.

Now... unless he has some reformed-drinker emotional core that will be a sub plot in DA:A, then I do not think he will be anything other than the comic relief we know - as deep as a packet of chips and a can of pepsi.

As a test... can you think of a character you would prefer *less* than Oghren?

I would prefer Jowan much more, and any other character for that matter, even Dog.

What are people's thoughts? Is there a pro-Oghren lobby out there?

Haven't read through 10 pages of posts, but it occurs to me that the main reason they want Oghren in the expansion is that they feel like they DIDN'T develop his character enough, and want an opportunity to expand and deepen it. There are moments that reveal him to be deeper then the cliche he appears to be that I won't spoil on this forum, but you really have to seek them out, and I suspect they'll try to put them more front-and-center in the expansion.

[SinYang]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

 Red Dwarf

I got that from dev post made on the expansion thread. Add those trailers^
But yes you have a point that nothing is officially confirmed atm.

Modifié par SinYang, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[Ryngard]

Oghren isn't a bad character. He's actually well written. He's far from my favorite. I'm not too big on fart jokes... BUT I get a chuckle out of him. However, I'd prefer ANY other character over him.

Now if our dwarven character was Gorim, the PC Dwarf Noble's buddy, then I'd be cheering. He was a great character I think.

Oh well, I'll just be happy to continue my adventures in Thedas, I don't care WHO is there.

[Madriker]

At this point, I honestly don't think they're referring to Oghren as the returning old favorite...



Duncan is the only one that comes to mind when I think of a universally accepted favorite character in DAO, but the likelihood of his return is... doubtful, to say the least. I'm inclined to believe an NPC from DAO will join the quest.

[TheMadCat]

Yeah I remember that post, Ferret loves Red Dwarf, never was sure what to make of it. Kind of sounded more like a creepy innuendo to me. We'll see, I just would have thought it would have been one of the first things confirmed if they were going to turn around and plaster him clear as day in the two trailers released for it.

[Wishpig]

I also agree it's weird they haven't flat out told us it's Oggy.

I suspect their smart enough to know no matter what character they choose, there's gonna be tons of flames, especially if that character isn't Alistair, Morrigan, or Leliana.

If it is Oggy I suspect they don't flat out say it in order to keep flaming under control. If they tell us closer to release, that would allow the game to speak for itself quicker... thus preventing months of annoying flaming and whining like when they dropped the Wrex bomb... and what flames there will be will quickly evaporate as soon people got their hands on the game and realised... "f*** I love the new characters!"

Look at the whole Grunt/Wrex situation, flaming up the @**! But hey, turned out people dug Grunt allot just like the devs said. Turns out it wasn't a bad thing (or at least not that bad of a thing depending on the person) after all.

it's what i would do in their place.

PS- Duncan is the one person I would want over Oghren! He really was a great character wasn't he. Then agian, now that I think about it, he may not have what it takes to be intresting in the long run. He served the mentor role perfectly, but now my char is even more bad a** then Duncan and no longer needs a teacher... so how Duncan would work outside that role I dunno. Ohhh! What would be cool is a tainted Duncan companion. Maybe Duncan went a bit insane if he was captured... now that would be intresting!

Modifié par Wishpig, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:01 .

[TheMadCat]

Then why make his appearance so obvious in the trailers. Even if there goal was to prevent flaming, which I seriously doubt as Bioware generally doesn't concern themselves with the vocal minority and lets their work speak for itself, why make an implied confirmation through trailers.

[Wowlock]

In the name of great fan of Britney Spears



Leave Oghren Alone.

[SinYang]

Yep then Oghren fans would glow red, breathing fire - perhaps even more, to use their beloved character as a red herring.  Ok I admit i'd enjoy that

[Ponce de Leon]

There are various possibilities, or at least, that's what I think :

1) Oghren really returns for some reason. I like it, others don't. BioWare... I have no idea.

2) BioWare becomes eviler and make Anora your new joinable NPC. Great, your head will explode every dialogue you make.

3) BioWare makes you a surprise, or not. They make a NPC of the game joinable, from the old favorites. So, who was the old favorite? Teagan? I don't think so, he's politically important and can get married. Sandal? Well, it would be the easiest way for BioWare, 4 words of voice acting and some answer to his serious pwnage. Who else was liked? There were a lot. So, BioWare has chosen one of these.



What's the best way to know?

1) we infiltrate BioWare

2) we wait till the release.

[pingupower]

Well I hope we can choose which character comes with us. In the Ending I have seen that you can keep leli and Zev the others go back to their business.

For my ending for example Oghren would be very weird coming back since he has lots of beer and a maid in Denerim whereas I go on travelling with Leliana.

[Wishpig]

TheMadCat wrote...

Then why make his appearance so obvious in the trailers. Even if there goal was to prevent flaming, which I seriously doubt as Bioware generally doesn't concern themselves with the vocal minority and lets their work speak for itself, why make an implied confirmation through trailers.

Thats also a damn good point. Hell, all I know is at the very least Oghren's a temp companion, so I'm cool w/ that. Bioware has yet to let me down... well... not counting DLC content.

[Hopefades]

Lakmoots wrote...

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...

I want Oghren to come back, therefore your theory is a bit flawed.

Well that is... er... one, I guess. The first I have seen, in fact!

So... you are saying you would prefer Oghren to return as opposed to any other character?

Curious: What is it about Oghren that makes you think he has, well... anything to say about anything? Was there a, er, story arc that was left unsettled?

Because I think he is the lazy character who only has to be funny. Even his personal quest takes around one minute to complete.

If he does return, I hope he has dried out so we can actually have some worthwhile characterisation with our funny-monkey. He is kinda the guy the party points at and says "Do something stupid, Oghren!".

If he is a struggling alchoholic, that may actually give him a tether to well... anything. I only ever liked him when I went through the Deep Roads - where he had a point. The Branka plot was quite involving, as was his reaction... 

For the rest of the game, meh. He had nothing. 

EDIT: An alchoholic comic relief does not a Warden make... that would be a terrible plotline. He is far too inept for it to make sense.

He would make a wise-crack during the joining and then do a fart-joke. Uggghhhh!

I prefer Oghren more then sten i did not like his char at all i dont even think i talked to him once threw the whole game besides when i broke him out of the cage . But imo if i wanted to see anyone return it would be morrigan just cause it feels liek u should go after her after she saves u from dying.

[RangerSG]

1) Even if that's Og in the trailers (and I'm not saying it isn't), that still doesn't mean he's "The Returning Character." It could be that's a scene where he's involved in the plot (like origin buddies were or the Templar in the Alienage for example).



2) The argument that, "He's the only character you can't kill" doesn't wash with me because you can still tell him to get lost.



3) I would prefer almost anyone else to Oghren. Though I think for plot reasons it cannot be Sten, Alistair, Wynne or Morrigan. So that narrows things down. It may be an NPC character, but I can't think of a true "favorite" that would qualify. *shrugs*



My conclusion, wait and see. Generally Bioware does a good job of respecting their own work.

[Wishpig]

RangerSG wrote...

1) Even if that's Og in the trailers (and I'm not saying it isn't), that still doesn't mean he's "The Returning Character." It could be that's a scene where he's involved in the plot (like origin buddies were or the Templar in the Alienage for example).

2) The argument that, "He's the only character you can't kill" doesn't wash with me because you can still tell him to get lost.

3) I would prefer almost anyone else to Oghren. Though I think for plot reasons it cannot be Sten, Alistair, Wynne or Morrigan. So that narrows things down. It may be an NPC character, but I can't think of a true "favorite" that would qualify. *shrugs*

My conclusion, wait and see. Generally Bioware does a good job of respecting their own work.

1. It is, in the most recent trailer you get a nice close up of him in your group. Saying it's not Oghren in the newest trailer is akin to saying Alistair wasn't Alistair in the first trailer. There is no doubt he is a temp companion at the least.

2. Actually I think it is possible to kill him, I've never seen it, and it's debaited, but the strat guide says you can... the thing is it's just really really hard. You have to out of your way... and then really out of your way. *SPOILERS* Supposidly you need to get his approval to -100 and goad him into a fight. Then you have to convonce him to stay. Then you have to get it to -100 agian and dual him AGIAN. At which point you have the option of killing him,

Bottom line, he's popular (albiet not as much so as Alistair, Morrigan, and Leliana) and out of all the companions he's in the best most consetent and stable position to return.

3. *shrugs with you* Can't help ya with that my friend.

You conslusion is a wise and smart one.

Modifié par Wishpig, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:45 .

[Lakmoots]

Okay...

Wishpig - this is a thread on people's *opinions*

You have had 11 pages of shouting other people's opinions down, and contradicting yourself the whole way.

Can you please give others a go?

I do not want to hear you say once more "You didn't take him with you".

What is that supposed to mean?

The MOST dialogue and plot that Oghren has is in the Anvil of the Void quest - he has NOTHING after that except for fart jokes and a sidequest that lasts less than one minute...

It is a pointless assertion. The best of Oghren is during Branka's quest, the rest is all cliche...

And clearly people DO like this cliche, but no one disagrees that he is practically dimensionless. He is funny... and thats it.

Give it a rest. Let others speak...

[Dlokir]

Oghren problem is he comes late in the party. In my second play I tried get him sooner and it's not that easy, I'll try again at my 3rd play if there's any.

A first point is I don't feel attaching any DAO character as I felt attaching many BG1 characters (not BG2). I don't see any DAO companion to be a favorite companion. In a way it's also a positive point because in BG1 it was heart breaking to compose a party because you hadn't enough free places for the attaching characters.

For me Oghren, Shale and Wynne are the only characters at end of game for whose I felt a little attachment. Morrigan is too insane, Alistair too old teen like, Sten too alien, Zevran too weird, Leliana too pink candy and blue flower.

For the dog, it just didn't get enough development to be attaching. It should have been involved in more adventures, like being lost, save his master (perfect cliché but could work so well), and more. In fact the base isn't the best base to make it attaching, a better base would be a wild animal, you could save it or something and then come some more interesting pet relationship between pet and wild, yes Jack London, but I'm sure it could work well in a CRPG through companion relationship development.

So for a come back I'm quite free and that could be any. Let see the choices:

• Alistair and the secret companion are the less probable candidates for a come back because of ending.
• Shale would be a nice candidate for companion comeback, but the DLC status makes it hardly possible, at best this will be a short aparence for those having the DLC.
• Some companions are good candidates but for a comeback on enemy side or at least not as a companion. That's Morrigan, Sten and Zevran. If I was a DAO writer I would keep them for such future role.

So for companion come back this let only Wynne, Oghren, Leliana and the dog:

• Wynne is the companion with an unfinished story and some mystery at end of game, and for me the best candidate for a companion come back. But she can't be popular so for commercial issues this will hardly happen.
• The dog hasn't been enough developed to really get attaching, many little details but few involvement. But also not have it come back would require a solid explanation. Myself I would have setup a mysterious lost of the dog to get free of it in the addon and would make a full DLC to find it back plus some more pets related adventures.
• This let Oghren and Leliana for companion come back candidate. Well why not?

Modifié par Dlokir, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:10 .

[Wishpig]

Lakmoots wrote...

Okay...

Wishpig - this is a thread on people's *opinions*

You have had 11 pages of shouting other people's opinions down, and contradicting yourself the whole way.

Can you please give others a go?

I do not want to hear you say once more "You didn't take him with you".

What is that supposed to mean?

The MOST dialogue and plot that Oghren has is in the Anvil of the Void quest - he has NOTHING after that except for fart jokes and a sidequest that lasts less than one minute...

It is a pointless assertion. The best of Oghren is during Branka's quest, the rest is all cliche...

And clearly people DO like this cliche, but no one disagrees that he is practically dimensionless. He is funny... and thats it.

Give it a rest. Let others speak...

Seriously? I get you don't like him and all, but that doesn't mean you need to silence me cause I do. I certainly haven't silenced anyone else. Infact, if you look at my posts I've responded civily, and I just happen to find the topic very intresting.

Look at your post... take a good hard look at it... your doing what your accusing me of.

Lakmoots wrote...
And clearly people DO like this cliche, but no one disagrees that he is practically dimensionless. He is funny... and thats it.

Madriker wrote...

I don't care much for Oghren, though
I'm not ignorant to the fact others may like him. His personality an'
background are surprisingly deep if you take the time to chat with 'em.

Thats not only just an opinion, but it's one others besides me have disagreed with.

The title to this thread is NO ONE WANTS OGHREN. Your in no place to yell at me for forcing opinions.

As far as your question is concerned, when I say a person should judge Oghren to harshly if they haven't interacted with him... I mean just that. You can't really bash on something you've never given a chance? Don't you dislike it when people do that?

Perhaps I have responded to frequently on this thread, but like I said, I find in intresting... so sue me. I'll still respond, but I'll let it be for a long while... unless you call me out agian.

Modifié par Wishpig, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:55 .

[Ponce de Leon]

It's not like Shale has a reason to be with you either. Its goal is different. Also Dog, I am sure that as soon as he gets food, he's happy.

[Guenthor]

I Oghren





HAHAHA ASSCHAPS

[Dlokir]

It's not good that this topic is in non spoil section. I quote some points here I don't understand and would like ask some explanation but cannot because of no spoil state.

[Querne]

Oghren is for me the dwarfiest dwarfy dwarf on earth. He´s got a sign with "dwarf" on his forhead.
Don´t like such stereotypes since I was 7 years old when princesses had to be beautiful, knights brave and dwarfs drunk and  "funny".
Besides of Orzammar never had him in party and wouldn´t miss him, if he implodes.
 
Made his personal quest, pushed approvement during second playthrough, but it´s still the same dwarf seen 900 times before. It was annoying, because during the origins and Orzammar it was really refreshing for me to see the dwarfs as earnest people and than, suddenly this drunk Jack from the Box jumps out.

Modifié par Querne, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:30 .

[thegreateski]

Not sure why people don't want him back.



Apparently in the epilogue it's said that he . . .



Damn spoilers.