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[Hugmejohnny]

DP sorry I'm such a failure.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:22 .

[Querne]

Of course they won´t change Awakening, but imo feedback from a customer is never pointless.
Even if it concerns the after after after next DLC.
It´s not a big secret that they will be further expansions.
The longer the thread is, the more people tell their opinion, the truer is the result. Even if it is pro Oghren (wich is not my side) it´s interesting for me, why somebody wants him back.

Edit:

No, I don´t begrudge Oghrens fans his come back. If someone embosomed him, it´s still better if they had forsaked all players. He simply would´n´t be my choice because I didn´t like him and I´m disappointed not to see some pixel guys I took into my heart.

Modifié par Querne, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:26 .

[Wishpig]

Querne wrote...

Of course they won´t change Awakening, but imo feedback from a customer is never pointless.
Even if it concerns the after after after next DLC.
It´s not a big secret that they will be further expansions.
The longer the thread is, the more people tell their opinion, the truer is the result. Even if it is pro Oghren (wich is not my side) it´s interesting for me, why somebody wants him back.

Hehe, your kidding yourself if the devs take these forums seriously. There was a huge thread dedicated to tearing apart leliana, of course truth be told she seems to be the most popular. Biowares smarter then to listen to us crazies. Go look at the ME2 forums. The game is selling like crazy, 10/10 reviews up the BUM... all you see on the forums is thread upon thread dedicated to how much it sucks.

People on this forum are a very very very very small minotirty of the player base. The truth can rarely be found here and the devs know this.

Modifié par Wishpig, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:28 .

[KneeTheCap]

If truth cannot be found within fans, where then? If I were a developer, fan feedback would be very important to me...

[BlastedLands]

Querne wrote...

No, I don´t begrudge Oghrens fans his come back. If someone embosomed him, it´s still better if they had forsaked all players. He simply would´n´t be my choice because I didn´t like him and I´m disappointed not to see some pixel guys I took into my heart.

yep, feeling the same. if it's too expensive/whatever to bring everyone, how about bring no one? at least so all people would be equally pissed:P

[Wishpig]

KneeTheCap wrote...

If truth cannot be found within fans, where then? If I were a developer, fan feedback would be very important to me...

Ya,
like I said, the forums represent a very very very very small minority
of the fanbase, composed mainly of the hardcore fans. Fan feedback is
very important, but the devs know they gotta get a proper sample group.


An EXTREME example I know but the very basics apply- it's like
politics, you don't base predictions off a very small demographic who
all share allot in common.

[Seahorses_4ever]

Wesley Wyndam Price wrote...

I want Oghren to come back, therefore your theory is a bit flawed.

I'm a fan of Oghren as well.
I got him first on my current play through so I could have him with me more.

[Wishpig]

To Querne's post below

Your right, I don't envy the devs, thats for sure. They have to shift through so much s*** to get to the truth that their brains must want to EXPLODE!

Modifié par Wishpig, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:45 .

[Querne]

@ wishpig

Yes, it is a small minority what doesn´t mean it is not representative somehow. Things discussed here are usually already over, and ME2 had great valuations in the press so I´m not surprised that its selling well. To be honest, critizing DA:O is critizism at highest stage.
It´s natural that threads usually concern things player are unhappy about. Happy players play.
Because I see Bioware guys posting and explaining things in threads very often, I think that they care indeed. Up to a point of cause, you can´t elimnate world hunger and develope a personal game for every whiner in the world.
I know about at least 3 people who bought this game because I told them about and not because of the marketing campaign. So forums and relations between players are.. a mass effect.

Modifié par Querne, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .

[errant_knight]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Querne wrote...

Why shouldn´t people who are disappointed about the choice post it here or in another threads?
That´s something called feedback. You don´t have to take the thread title literally and so there´s no need to close it as soon the first ones post, that they like the dwarf.
Feel free to open a "GREAT, THE MASTER OF PUBERTAL HUMOUR IS BACK" thread. Surely I won´t be bashing him there.

I suppose your right but I still don't see why people are so mean about it. I just don't get why people have to insult things others like. I wasn't a Zevran fan but he has fans and people who like so I wouldn't rip on him even though hes not my cup of tea.

Exactly. There's no reason for that. It's just pointless kicking of sand.

[Masterjokin]

they could do a poll but its unlikely, and truthfully most of the arsehats that make threads and post do it cause there neglected in real life and no one will listen, hell that's what blogging and twitter is full of. and i really doubt that bioware will look at the forums for any idea's or credible feedback, and i mean as in, unbiased feedback.



lets face it, i think me2 rocks, but if i read the forums before buying the game id be a tad hesitant to do so, if i took the posts seriously. and really, bioware has people they pay to play the game and tell them whats on there mind so. and to be honest and true to everyone here, origins has a ton of characters that i would cut there throat if it let me have the option. and Oghrens one of those idiots. i mean, i do love the story lines in the game, but really, most of them are idiots that got themselves stuck. i think shale said it perfectly....



Shale: "There was a man in the village who reminded me of the drunken dwarf."

Oghren: "They had some dwarves just like me, huh?"

Shale: "No. None of the dwarves were similar. They were quiet and respected, more or less. No, the one I remember was a human. He vomited in the street constantly. Then he wandered into a snowstorm and froze to death."

Oghren: "Huh? And how is that like me?"

Shale: "Did I say similar? I meant I hoped he was similar."



and facts being facts, id like to see someone else come back that had more meaning to the story. and i really wana chase down that emo punk ms. no happy ending... meh, if only they used there "they will come back if you haven't killed them" policy in this game.

[tomas819]

Alistair, Morrigan, Dog, Leliana, and Wynne -- I liked these 5 companions from the get-go. Sten, Zevran, Shale, and Ohgren all made VERY poor "first impressions" on me. Yah, they were funny, maybe, but there was just no way I was going to bring any of them along with me unless I was forced to.

On my subsequent plays through the game, I had to force myself to use these four -- but use them I did -- and in all four cases I was very impressed by the characterizations and deeper discussions I had with them. They were, all four, much better characters than I originally gave them credit for. The "payoff" was worth it.

I am absolutely certain that the payoff for the Awakenings companions, including the returning favorite, will be great. My only hope is that each of them will come with a SUBSTANTIVE personal quest that helps bring them to life. I hear ME2 does a really good job with this.

Modifié par tomas819, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:06 .

[Liquidcz]

errant_knight wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Querne wrote...

Why shouldn´t people who are disappointed about the choice post it here or in another threads?
That´s something called feedback. You don´t have to take the thread title literally and so there´s no need to close it as soon the first ones post, that they like the dwarf.
Feel free to open a "GREAT, THE MASTER OF PUBERTAL HUMOUR IS BACK" thread. Surely I won´t be bashing him there.

I suppose your right but I still don't see why people are so mean about it. I just don't get why people have to insult things others like. I wasn't a Zevran fan but he has fans and people who like so I wouldn't rip on him even though hes not my cup of tea.

Exactly. There's no reason for that. It's just pointless kicking of sand.

It's called "expressing opinions". It's as pointless as you saying that you're happy that Oghren will be back.

[Sparks1987]

Well I don't like Oghren at all but I'm guessing maybe we'll see Duncan again since in rto you can check out the place where he kept watch and it says maybe the darkspawn still sense the power of the man and Duncan's corpse is nowhere to be found. That's my theory anyways but we'll have to wait and see what BioWare will come up with.

[Melchida_L]

I love Oghren. He cracks me up. He flirts with Wynne...with WYNNE. That alone should be reason enough to like him. Besides i think that in the later levels he's pretty good to have in your party, after all he was the to give the finishing blow to the archdemon in my playtrough

[Querne]

Uhm, Zevran also flirts with her. Seems to be a hot chick.  

What was really disturbing for me


SPOILER!

was she flirting with Alistair in RTO. THAT was disturbing somehow after her "you and him great love blabla.."


SPOILER ENDS!

Modifié par Querne, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:52 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Uhm, Zevran also flirts with her. Seems to be a hot chick.

Zevran does it to make her uncomfortable though he doesnt actually mean it

[Melchida_L]

yeah but then Oghren admits that it was probably the dog that he was flirting with. I love it.

[BeljoraDien]

KneeTheCap wrote...

You people could try to make cute puppy eyes at BioWare so that they would reveal the identity of that old favorite :-D

I still think that the dwarf in the trailer is a red herring, but that's just me. We know for sure when BioWare tells us.

Would we? Or would you just say that was also a red herring? Maybe they'll just lie to us to make us think it's Oghren.

[blademaster7]

Oghren is "okay" I guess. He's not my favorite but I don't hate him either.



I think most people don't like him to return because they were hoping too see some other character. The whole hype about the "one returning companion" is what made people dislike Oghren so much.

[Melchida_L]

By the way who would you guys like to see on the expansion?

[cinderburster]

Melchida_L wrote...

By the way who would you guys like to see on the expansion?

Zevran.  No question.    I'd also really like to see Jowan and Teagan make at least cameos (for those of us that didn't kill Jowan off).

As to the original topic of this thread: I like Oghren, but I do have to agree that he's lacking a bit of depth.  I think that could be made up for if he's the returning companion in Awakening.  Although if I had my druthers we'd get a campanion of our choosing, based on the imported warden.  I hold out little hope for this, it would simply take up too much time and money for Bioware to do it.

[Liquidcz]

Alistair, Leliana and Zevran should be selectable based on your ending. Ohgren and Wynne should make at least cameos, if not direct party members, if your ending permits it (they have certain endings where this would be possible). You are right that this is a lot to ask, but don't forget that this is a full-blown expansion that gets a boxed version and everything, not a simple DLC package.



Actually, games.tiscali.cz claims, based on an interview (I don't know which one, though), that DA:A will be "the biggest expansion to a game Bioware has ever released, longer than some full games, and bigger beyond compare than all other DLC for Dragon Age"

[Hugmejohnny]

Liquidcz wrote...

Alistair, Leliana and Zevran should be selectable based on your ending. Ohgren and Wynne should make at least cameos, if not direct party members, if your ending permits it (they have certain endings where this would be possible). You are right that this is a lot to ask, but don't forget that this is a full-blown expansion that gets a boxed version and everything, not a simple DLC package.

Actually, games.tiscali.cz claims, based on an interview (I don't know which one, though), that DA:A will be "the biggest expansion to a game Bioware has ever released, longer than some full games, and bigger beyond compare than all other DLC for Dragon Age"

Sten, Dog, and Shale will be very unhappy to be left out

[Liquidcz]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Sten, Dog, and Shale will be very unhappy to be left out

*mild spoilers ahead*
A fair point, but Sten doesn't really have an ending that would permit staying him with the Warden. Shale would be possible, but she's also DLC and not everyone has her. Dog should be of course included, it's not like he has a lot of VA or anything