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[Rathias0114]

Jack was one of those characters I just could NOT stand - paragon or renegade. Something about her just made me want to purposely let her die on the suicide mission.

[LucidStrike]

Rathias0114 wrote...

Jack was one of those characters I just could NOT stand - paragon or renegade. Something about her just made me want to purposely let her die on the suicide mission.

Your own dirth of  empathy, obviously.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Faerlyte wrote...

I can vouch for the fact that the Garrus relationship was very well done too. I was really surprised, and impressed, by how sincere it was - a big improvement upon the first game's LIs. The FemShep/Garrus relationship is built off mutual respect too, which is awesome, because that's the way it should be. Definitely a lot more emotionally than what I'd come to expect. 

I just hope that ME3 does it justice.

This and your other post sum up my feelings exactly. Garrus for the win, indeed.

[Filbert13]

Rathias0114 wrote...

@Filbert - if you stay loyal to your LI from ME1, you get this really touching scene before you go into the Omega 4 Relay.

Some people consider the LI in ME2 to be a "temptation" to test your loyalty.

I see them as an improvement - Miranda over Ashley any day.

I heard that if you kept your LI from ME1 it would keep on going. I might have to try it in another play though to check it out thanks for letting me know.

[AA-bi-polar]

I personally don't like the wayt the creators are going with "If you stay loyal in ME 2..." There should be a chance where you can rebuild that love that you had in ME 1. Consider the scene in ME 1 where after a mission 2 characters come into the comm room and make you decide on which one. There SHOULD be a situation like that in ME 3. Redemption.

[VanDraegon]

So, what is the trigger that gets Miranda out of her office to come by Sheppard's quarters? It has been quite i while now that she has been waiting for things to settle down. Tali already told me to give Miranda "the talk". Want to try and run both romance scenarios at least a bit...

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

VanDraegon wrote...

So, what is the trigger that gets Miranda out of her office to come by Sheppard's quarters? It has been quite i while now that she has been waiting for things to settle down. Tali already told me to give Miranda "the talk". Want to try and run both romance scenarios at least a bit...

Go into the Relay.

[Killer Irish]

The flirting, all the different chat options, the build up, the animation, it all felt very organic.  But the pay-off felt extremely held back.  In the first ME1 the passion between the two characters felt real.  Clothes were flung off and the way it was shot was perfect.  But in ME2 (heck, even Dragon Age) if felt extremely toned down.  Almost a "Leave it to Beaver" kind of thing where you see two people kiss and then we cut to a window with the wind rushing in as the music gets louder. 

What changed? Was it Fox and their inability to research and report the truth?  Some Christians
small-minded views? (FYI I'm a Christian)  The biggest complaint is that the character models don't really change in these scenes.  Unlike ME1 where we got to see people naked, they all keep their clothes on in ME2.  Wasn't Mass Effect & Dragon Age geared towards a more mature audience in the first place?  With the average age of a gamer
now up to around 32 years of age I keep wondering why Bioware held back with this.

My biggest disapointment was with Tali.  Now don't get me wrong, I was absolutely thrilled when I found out I could start a relationship with her!  But I felt more than cheated when we ended up (once again) staying in our clothes and I don't even get to see her face (regardless of seeing the rest of her).  If I'm supposed to be Shepard then I should get to see what Shepard is seeing.  He got to see her face, why couldn't I?  And I think that's the crux of it all...when you make the player feel disconnected from their character thats when you loose the player. Oh and having her have the same dialog at the end of the game (where she once again questions our relationship even though she JUST got done saying how happy she was) felt like a bug.


In the end I know this could feel like nitpicking...but when you make this well thought out emotional roller coaster of a game, but hold back at a key emotional moment, that's why it stands out.  I know nothing can be changed for ME2, but I am completely hopeful that Bioware will listen to their fans and take these suggestions to heart for Mass Effect 3.  Don't be bogged down by cynics, the non-game playing media, or politicians that just want to look better for the parents.  In the end ME2 was still a 10 in my book and I greatly look forward to everything else that is coming out for this franchise. 

Modifié par Killer Irish, 01 février 2010 - 03:27 .

[I Vigil I]

my first import character from ME1 didnt have a romance because I was dying for Tali but couldnt.  I felt the Tali romance in ME2 really got me to care more for her character then i ever have before.

[magicalpoop]

My shepard was lonely, with a lingering LI from ME1 with Liara.



Post end game mission, all the left over female possibilities made it clear/obvious "F OFF".

I even tried Samara, which was the closest, I suppose being a maxed out paragon+blowing up the collector base had something to do it. I actually pursued her enough to start doing the asari glow thing, but then at the last second - she just said "In another lifetime..." then the music kicked in and went REALLY depressing and she walked out of the room into the crew quarters..

I followed her and she said "please..." without opening the chat dialogues.

Oh and I had a dinner date with Kelly, saved her, and she still wouldn't give me the dance.



..So...lonely...



I am never opening up ME2 again hahahhaha.

[ninjamaster_255]

Can some one confirm this for me because if it is true it shows a lot of forethought went into the LIs in this series.

I just got finished replaying ME1 so I can import a custom Female Character and I talked to tali at every opportunity and I never got to hear about her father (i did get her geth info after the second main mission so that may be why) But I distinctly remember that conversation and I believe I was a male shepherd.

If it's only available to male shepherds that means that Bioware probably had Tali planned as a LI for ME2 FROM THE START!!!

I am not sure I might have missed a trigger somewhere or glitched passed it. If this is true it gives me hope that these 'disappointments' may not all be political in nature but there is a plan behind it

How good of a plan is still up for debate.

[atheelogos]

DocSun wrote...

MaverikVII wrote...

I was just pissed that you couldn't get it on with Samara/Morinth. I mean come on! You can romance an asari (Liara) in the first game but a bad ass like Samara and Morinth you can't? I went with Miranda 'cause to me it seemed the logical choice given the options. And Liara's moved on. But Samara...I mean come on Bioware!! Some DLC please!

Uhhh Samara has taken vows of chastity and Morinth would kill you if you slept with her... also since its genetic its possible Samara has it too but im gunna go with the Chastity thing.

Samara doesn't have it. If she did she wouldn't have been able to have kids.

[Nozybidaj]

Lord Exar wrote...

But I agree, it does seem like the romances in ME2, if you ported in from ME1, are trying to tempt you with some forbidden fruit or something. I say bravo to BioWare for that, by the way.

I would say Bravo if they had actually acknowledged that a romance had ever actually occured in ME1.  It is so completely forgotten about that it is hard to say there is actually a choice to be made there.

[ranzarok]

I have to say that at this point, I thought the romance scene in ME1 was better, viscerally, then in ME2.

They hinted at nudity, which suggested that the characters actually did something. I wasn't really looking for nudity in this one either, but something that actually made me believe the characters where going to "share a moment".

Maybe I missed something.

[Zaknaberrnon]

DocSun wrote...

Uhhh Samara has taken vows of chastity and Morinth would kill you if you slept with her... also since its genetic its possible Samara has it too but im gunna go with the Chastity thing.

uhh, from what Samara says in ME2, Justicars DON'T take any kind of 'vow of chastity'.

[Thalinor00]

I picked Liara as my FemShep romance in ME1 as there was no FemShep/Ashley choice. By the time I finished ME2 wanted nothing to do with Liara or Ashley anymore.

I did not romance in ME2 (besides Kelly!) in protest of no FemShep/Miranda romance options. If given the option to break up with Liara in ME3 I will do it in a second. I will not romance in ME3 unless I get the option of Miranda or another female that has a “middle of the road” personality and is FemShep romance capable. IMO I wrote romance off in the Mass Effect games because of the way they have implemented the romance system. I think DAO’s romance system is far superior to that of Mass Effect. First off in DAO you know where you stand with your party members, there is a bar that tells you. Second, the characters are Bi giving us the option to play whatever gender character we want without limiting our romance options.

Modifié par Thalinor00, 04 février 2010 - 08:02 .

[KelaSaar]

I really hope they bring all the LIs back in a major way in ME3, The romances in ME3 were quite well done in my opinion, and I would hate for Bioware to just throw all of that away. Plus, the romances with Garrus and Tali are more built up and feel more committed then just about any of the romances from 1 or 2. If all they bring back are the ME1 romances in ME3, my FemShep is not going to be a happy camper. Let's just say a lot of people are going to be pushed out of windows.

[siltsonata]

KelaSaar wrote...

I really hope they bring all the LIs back in a major way in ME3, The romances in ME3 were quite well done in my opinion, and I would hate for Bioware to just throw all of that away. Plus, the romances with Garrus and Tali are more built up and feel more committed then just about any of the romances from 1 or 2. If all they bring back are the ME1 romances in ME3, my FemShep is not going to be a happy camper. Let's just say a lot of people are going to be pushed out of windows.

Heeehee, if the LI's weren't important in ME3 my Shepard would just go around acting like a total assface to everyone.

"What do we do, Shepard?  Save the soldiers or save the colonists?!"

Options:
-Get to those civilians!
-This is war. Sacrifices must be made.
-IDGAF, Garrus won't talk to me. 

[Naltair]

I really think the ones in this game are deeper, the romances I mean. I went with Ash on my first ME1 playthru and then Ash on the second; neither really hit me like Tali did but she was never an option. So for me, I think in this go around for my canon Shep I am going to finish a single playthru and just stay faithful to Tali who hit me as the genuine article.



Currently my canon Shep has me cheating on Liara.



But yeah for me Tali is the genuine and compelling article.

[NoUserNameHere]

Uh... DUH. 'Course they are there to try and get you to stray. They even fit into the regular archetypes for just that sort of thing.



Garus/Tali: The old friend. Tali in paticular seemed to have liked you for a long time.

Paragon!Jack/Thane: Sad depressing character to bond with.

Kelly: Your characters secretary. Need I say more? Infidelity 101, right there!

Jacob/Miranda: Replacement for Kai/Ash.

[Caz Neerg]

As far as staying faithful goes, you don't need to do multiple playthroughs. If you reject your ME2 love interest *after* the final mission, then you will have already experienced all the romance content for that character in ME2, and the picture in your cabin of your ME1 love interest is no longer face down, implying that the toggle in the game has been reset to faithful.

As far as comparing the ME2 and ME1 romances, it seems to me that they did a far better job on the new ones. I haven't played a female character through any of them yet, but as far as the opportunities for the male character, I would have to say that Miranda is what Ashley should have been in the first game. She manages to pull off being simultaneously more pro-human *and* less anti-alien than Ash, coming across as a pragmatic nationalist instead of a small-minded racist. Smarter and prettier, with the only real point in Ash's favor being if you were looking for a religious love interest.

And Tali occupies the same kind of niche that Liara did for male characters in the first game, but in a far deeper and more natural feeling way. So those two manage to fill the two niches available for males in ME1, and to do a better job of it. Then there is Jack, who fills in a genuine hole from the ME1 options. There was no true Renegade option in ME1 for romances, unless you consider Ashley's xenophobia to be enough to make her Renegade, and it was nice to see Paragon, Renegade, and balanced options all offered in ME2.

Modifié par Caz Neerg, 04 février 2010 - 10:19 .

[chool77]

wake2wake208 wrote...

I too was disappointed in the Ashley situation. The women in ME2 that are possible love interests do seem really fake. Personally if this series goes to ME3 I am going to have to buy ME1 again just to replay and Setup my characters choices to finish the story in the fashion I intended in the beginning. I kind of strayed from the path of Good.

agreed

[sagefic]

Avs64 wrote...

OK, so on numerous occasions ME devs and writers have said that your LI from ME1 will play a BIG role in ME3 IF you stay loyal to them. So I was bummed about how the Ash thing panned out. (Yes, Im one of the ppl that actually like her character lol) So I really think the LI's in ME2 are just a "distraction"

1.Notice the pic of Ash on your desk in your room for one. Yeah yeah I know MOST of you have seen it already but trust me Ive talked to tons of ppl who havent noticed it haha.
2, if you romance anyone in ME2 Ash's pic is turned face down on the table.
3. Ash's email pretty much says that youll be together again if you look at it how I do. 
4. The LI's in ME2 are there yes, but really really fake it seems. Shep even seems like he just wants ass in his comments and advances haha. Kelly's LI is pretty much a one nighter anyway. And we all pretty much agree Jack is a W**** lol. So it just seems that these characters are there to "distract" you and make you stray from your ME1 LI.

So this is just my assumption so far. Anyone think diff?

there's a picture of ashley? huh. i didn't notice. i assume the same goes for kaiden if you'd romanced him?

i am happy to hear the me1 romances come back. i know it would be harder to pull off, but i hope those npcs can be partied also. the virmire decision was one of the hardest in me1 - it just hit me in a way storylines usually don't in games, so i'm pleased to see it playing out so well.

as for the me2 romances, well, i think it does give one more options. i'm glad to hear tali's romancable, even though i didn't play it that way with the male shep.

but from my femshep pt. of view, there's really nothing tempting in the new normandy. kaiden's pic is staying up

[Naltair]

I have strayed and will never go back, Tali is just better then either option in ME1. But that is my opinion. There is a genuine compelling attraction there that comes through the character. She is shy but she knows what she wants and that is an admirable quality.

[sagefic]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

Like ToshiStation38, I found the relationship with Miranda very fulfilling and balanced. I felt like my male Shep was interacting with an equal, both on a physical and psychological level.

...

Regarding Tali and Jack, I can't help but see them as two little girls who need protection and guidance. I definitely do not see them as psychological equals to Miranda and my male Shepard. To put it simply, I see Jack and Tali as teenagers, while to me Miranda is an adult.

i totally agree. i'm a gal, but in my first playthrough as a male shep i went for miranda because she was the only woman on the crew i respected. jack reminded me of a troubled teen, very compelling, but just not romance material. it just seemed way to creepy to take advantage of her past troubles and current reaction to relationships (i don't play a very good renegade, i find. kept going paragon). 

besides, Miranda is out kicking Collector a** in stiletto heels and a black lace bra under that suit. it's like frickin' emma peel! - no matter what bad guy she's up against, her standards aren't going to drop. you gotta respect a woman with that kind of fashion sense.