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[Guy4142]

Pathetic.

[Jacopo Belbo]

MBirkhofer wrote...

Jacopo Belbo wrote...

nothing says i am a dimwitted douchebag than not realizing that the 'sexist' part of the comment was hyperbole ... the point is it is UGLY!!! nobody wants to wear a skirt (not to meantion leave a very vital upper chest part of their body exposed, what are zevan's collar bones more precious than mine?) .... the point is all of the personal equipment in the game sucks ... it is limited in variety and ugly. at Least NWN had tons of different equipment and looks to said equipment that you could really personalize your character ... you wanted to wear a skirt and cleavage showing breastplate ... fine .. you wanted to be encased head to toe in tight black leather (better to sneak up and kill you with) ... you could do that too ... in this game .... not so much ...

The kilt aspect actaully offers much more protection then a tight pant leg.    Armor has toughed parts.  Cured insets, plates, linked mail, etc. depending on the specific kind.  These are hard, and can't bend.  so joints can't be protected in this way. Making them weakpoints covered only with flexible material.   The groin is very much one of these points.
The kilt provides a draping cover to the whole groin area which these plates can be used, while providing flexibility.


way to rationalize mr. master armourer .... i am sure my exposed thighs would thank you after all of the nicks/cuts they recieve because i dont have anything covering them.

and any set of "rogues" leathers i have ever seen, in any concept art or d&d or game is exactly what i was proposing ... a 'body suit' of sorts that is made up of various parts that covers a person from neck to toe ... just admit the game is ugly when it comes to personal equipment ... the landscape ... nice ... the equipment ... blows

The cleavage.  ok. not so much.

[Kurakitty]

I am not very far into the game but all the armor I have found of the leather variety is rough leather. While it would be cool to have a dye system to make pretty colors, tanned and cured leather is generally brown sorry. As someone else mentioned most armors do wear like I skirt unless they are designed with seperate leg section. And it may be customary for women even adventuring ones to wear skirts most of the time. I do however hope that a better variety for astetic looks of my character comes about later in the game.

[Nial Black-Knee]

Well, I'll tell you. Whatever nit-pics I have with this game. They pale beside the new "Girls shouldn't wear SKIRTs cause" I will hearby devote all my online moments to the new Skirts are not short enough band wagon. That is what your saying isn't it?

[Razcalking1978]

"She's" either a troll or someone who just screams "sexist" at everything she doesn't like. She probably thinks it's sexist that leather purses are brown too.

[kal_torak]

I find it cool. And yes, I do have a girlfriend.

It happens in most games, not only in Dragon age. What you don't realize is that they try not only to do sexy women, but also sexy males. Thing is, man are atrackted by sexy wearing women, while the oposite is not true. Man have to look cool, maybe powerful in their armors.
That's not sexist, don't tell me you would like man wearing seethroughs and such. They wear what women like, and so do women wear what men like.

Modifié par kal_torak, 05 novembre 2009 - 04:36 .

[Tyrax Lightning]

Talk to the Toolset people with this subject. They may be able to help ya & make ya happy again, if you're on the PC version. My condolences to the console people.
Speaking of which, your talk got me thinking, that a Ferelden version of the getup from Underworld: Evolution as a light armor would be really cool here! She looked hot without any loss of modesty. Was that along the lines of what ya wanted armor to do here? Of course, to adapt it for here, it would be Light class armor, & be black leather, not what it looks like in the movie to me as some kinda rubber. I bet there would be no shortage of Rogues considering such a getup!

[GmanFresh]

realistically women wouldnt be doing any fighting

[Nekator]

GlassRain wrote...

I hear the sims 3 is out.

Honestly this is one of those many topics where someone is up in arms over something silly.

she seems to be a feminist.. that´s what they usually do

[Aisling the Drow]

Jacopo Belbo wrote...

MBirkhofer wrote...

Jacopo Belbo wrote...

nothing says i am a dimwitted douchebag than not realizing that the 'sexist' part of the comment was hyperbole ... the point is it is UGLY!!! nobody wants to wear a skirt (not to meantion leave a very vital upper chest part of their body exposed, what are zevan's collar bones more precious than mine?) .... the point is all of the personal equipment in the game sucks ... it is limited in variety and ugly. at Least NWN had tons of different equipment and looks to said equipment that you could really personalize your character ... you wanted to wear a skirt and cleavage showing breastplate ... fine .. you wanted to be encased head to toe in tight black leather (better to sneak up and kill you with) ... you could do that too ... in this game .... not so much ...

The kilt aspect actaully offers much more protection then a tight pant leg.    Armor has toughed parts.  Cured insets, plates, linked mail, etc. depending on the specific kind.  These are hard, and can't bend.  so joints can't be protected in this way. Making them weakpoints covered only with flexible material.   The groin is very much one of these points.
The kilt provides a draping cover to the whole groin area which these plates can be used, while providing flexibility.


way to rationalize mr. master armourer .... i am sure my exposed thighs would thank you after all of the nicks/cuts they recieve because i dont have anything covering them.

and any set of "rogues" leathers i have ever seen, in any concept art or d&d or game is exactly what i was proposing ... a 'body suit' of sorts that is made up of various parts that covers a person from neck to toe ... just admit the game is ugly when it comes to personal equipment ... the landscape ... nice ... the equipment ... blows

The cleavage.  ok. not so much.

And now Im sure of it. Youre just a troll with nothing better to do. Im signing off this thread. Good luck with your... whatever.

[Jacopo Belbo]

Ok. Look. People. For the record. The sexist part was supposed to be a joke. I don't care about the fact that the stuff is "traditional" fanboy female type stuff ... some of that would be fine ... my problem is that, compared to NWN, the choices are limited .. everything is brown/tan .... there are 2 types of light armour for goodness sake .. and they are both pretty ugly and illogical. Does anybody remember NWN? how many different types of armour looks and styles there were? there was something for everybody? you want to go Underworld Kate Beckinsale body armour (like i do) you got it ... you want barbarian queen with her ta tas hanging out .. you got that too ... the point is for all of the "advances" in the past 5 years or more in gaming graphics this is really not a step forward when it comes to variety/style/asthetics .... yippee .. you made a boring world where everybody has similar armour and it is all drab and boring ... i am soo very impressed ... not

[logikFive]

HaHa OT, Sex Sells, deal with it.

Modifié par logikFive, 05 novembre 2009 - 04:39 .

[Nyaore]

Jacopo Belbo wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

What armor have you been wearing? All the armor I've tried on up until this point, with the exception for one Dalish cuirass, has covered the vast majority of my body while providing excellent defense. Heck, if it weren't for the stereotypical 'breasts' it would be hard to tell that the armor was even made specifically for a woman. Granted I have noticed that some of the armor fits, say, Leliana differently than it does with my Elf, so maybe that's where the problem lies?

the problem lies in that it is all ugly brown.  the female version of leather and studded leather has a skirt and no leg coverings and has a very open neck instead of a  high neck/protected chest area ... it looks retarded ... if you cannot tell that the 'female' and 'male' versions of the armour are radically different you are either blind or have no sense of asthetics

Actually most of them were pretty similar in most respects from what I saw, and I made a point of trying all the new armor I got on all my characters. And believe me I've tried on pretty much all the armor the game had to offer me since I started playing twenty hours ago. From what I've been hearing it sounds like your problem stems from not trying on enough armor than anything else.

[logikFive]

HaHa OP Sex sells Deal with it!

[WoodsDweller]

OP: if thine armour offend thee ... take it off! 

Tyrax Lightning wrote...
 a Ferelden version of the getup from Underworld: Evolution as a light armor would be really cool here! She looked hot without any loss of modesty.

That's because it was worn by Kate Beckinsale, who would look hot in a burlap sack.

[addiction21]

I have trouble taking anyone that uses that many ellipses seriously.

[Jacopo Belbo]

So any of you playing a female (human or elf i suppose) rogue character are happy with the way your character looks in leather/studded leather armour? Really? You are sitting there staring at your character for hours of game play thinking "wow, she really looks like a stealthy bad-ass who would slit your throat as soon as look at you?" ... Really? Because if you are then I would suggest you have no sense of asthetics. You are looking at that ridiculously oversized longsword floating on your back and thinking, "wow that looks really cool, who would want two wakizashi strapped upside down on my back for quick draw when i can have this?"



i guess i am just dealing with people who lack subtle aesthetic sense

[Kiddeth]

face/palm.



blood and gore everywhere. and no worries, but show a lil side boob and the wolrd is comming to an end.

[stoezgallamyn]

Umm, not to suggest that the armor in Dragon Age is the pinnacle of historic perfection, but, the way leather armor looks is much closer to reality than a lot games, at least in some ways. The "skirts", as mentioned by MBirkhofer, is actually an important part of your protection, and it's the reason most chainmail was long enough to create the same effect. The brownness of it is also a touch more realistic: they didn't have a great deal of dyes back in the day, and particularly not for dying leather. Not to mention that in a world full of so much horrifying stuff as DA has, I'm not sure fashionable armor was a priority. It is unfortunate if you don't like brown, but, that's the case.

Also, the "skin-tight catsuit"? Not only is that completely non-existent in Medieval periods, but it absolutely is NOT armor. Wearing a single layer against your skin, particularly one flexible enough for "moving and/or sneaking" would provide you NO protection from any sort of weapon, under any circumstance, ever. The most important part of armor is layering, which necessarily inhibits movement and cannot be skintight.

Edit: Also, yeah, another notch for realism:

Jacopo Belbo wrote...
You are looking at that ridiculously
oversized longsword floating on your back and thinking, "wow that looks
really cool, who would want two wakizashi strapped upside down on my
back for quick draw when i can have this?"

No one in the history of effective combat sheaths their weapon upside down, particularly a single-edged sword like a wakizashi. Even ignoring the fact that hold a weapon blade down is an incredibly limited fighting technique (very few effect movements available, incredibly limiting blocking ability, and significantly reduced power behind any attack), there is a reason Japanese swords are sheathed blade facing up (specifically, not upside-down). Japanese swords have very delicate edges, and putting the bladed edged facing down means gravity is pushing the blade into the sheath, dulling it considerably over time. Broader weapons could withstand being sheathed that way (although it was largely unimportant, since they were typically double-edged), but not wakizashi.

Now, I understand you want more variety, and you want to look really "cool", or whatever. Ignoring the differing opinions on what constitutes "cool", the emphasis on this game is slightly more realistic weapons and armor (note: "slightly"). So, you'll really just have to take what you can get.

Modifié par stoezgallamyn, 05 novembre 2009 - 04:58 .

[Titanmike357]

right, so brown, as its the natural color of leather, should be changed?





you know its called LIGHT armor for a reason, have you ever wore any kind/type of armor?

its LIGHT, so you can move with less hinderance, and it still does its job.



The "Medium" and "heavy" and "massive" armors cover the body of male/female totally.



I think you have no clue about "light" and heavy armor at all, its meant to be light, and called light for a reason.

[Jacopo Belbo]

stoezgallamyn wrote...

Umm, not to suggest that the armor in Dragon Age is the pinnacle of historic perfection, but, the way leather armor looks is much closer to reality than a lot games, at least in some ways. The "skirts", as mentioned by MBirkhofer, is actually an important part of your protection, and it's the reason most chainmail was long enough to create the same effect. The brownness of it is also a touch more realistic: they didn't have a great deal of dyes back in the day, and particularly not for dying leather. Not to mention that in a world full of so much horrifying stuff as DA has, I'm not sure fashionable armor was a priority. It is unfortunate if you don't like brown, but, that's the case.

Also, the "skin-tight catsuit"? Not only is that completely non-existent in Medieval periods, but it absolutely is NOT armor. Wearing a single layer against your skin, particularly one flexible enough for "moving and/or sneaking" would provide you NO protection from any sort of weapon, under any circumstance, ever. The most important part of armor is layering, which necessarily inhibits movement and cannot be skintight.

uh huh.  in a game with 'darkspawn', zombies, dragons and who knows what else you are going to go with the "historical accuracy" line of defence?  it is a "dark fantasy" game ... how about some actual dark armour?  Yes, I know that in 12th century Europe perhaps black leather dye was not all that available but this is a fantasy world, Ferelden ... it comes down to LAZY and INCOMPETENT design.  PERIOD.  You cannot reasonably argue that this game has a rich, diverse and asthetically pleasing set of person/equipment items. 

I will again refer you to NWN and its expansions for an example of a rich and diverse gaming world with a plethora of personal items which encompased a wide array of diverse personal styles.  that is the problem with these games today ... not enough time on the little detail things that can make the difference between being able to truly develop a personalized character and not ... Bioware has taken a few huge steps backwards with this game from NWN as far as I am concerened on the minutia and detailed stuff ....

[Razcalking1978]

News Flash at 11 - Leather is brown. Metal is shiny.

[Eidolonn]

Jacopo Belbo wrote...

i guess i am just dealing with people who lack subtle aesthetic sense

That's what we're saying.  But replace aesthetic with common.

[Draelorn]

I think she is more annoyed iver lack of options than anything. I'm sure the modding community will handle this. Someone told her to play Sims 3. There are more simlarities than some may like to admit. In RPGs tweaking our characters in these games are a huge part of the fun. FInding the perfect item, Eventually finding the look that best reflects our character, Juggling stats and talents with inventory. This is part of what stratches the 70 hour playtime, and makes the game so replayable. Sure she is talking about armor options, but it's a part of what I'm talking about.

[Jacopo Belbo]

Titanmike357 wrote...

right, so brown, as its the natural color of leather, should be changed?


you know its called LIGHT armor for a reason, have you ever wore any kind/type of armor?
its LIGHT, so you can move with less hinderance, and it still does its job.

The "Medium" and "heavy" and "massive" armors cover the body of male/female totally.

I think you have no clue about "light" and heavy armor at all, its meant to be light, and called light for a reason.

yes. in a world of magic and dragons i can not possibly think of any other way to make a light armour than leave half of it off?  get a clue .. serioulsy. go play NWN and see that there were 4 or 5 types of light armour each of which had 10 different styles and came in a variety of colours (and which you could dye to suit you).  look i know you are all in love with this game ... huzzah.  but face it in some ways it pales in comparision to things like NWN and this is just one of those ways ... you like looking at your female rogue in a boring brown skirt than fine that is you, you have no taste ... to each their own ... but i do have exacting tastes and this game comes up way short on its ability to create diverse personal character styles.