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[silvanis12345]

I am the biggest BW fanboy you will ever see, but the era of buying BW games without reading a review are over. I noticed the change in DA, but DA was still a darn good game, it just wasn't (as advertised) the spirtual successor to the BG series.

I was very happy with almost all of the game mechanics in ME1, I was simply expecting ME2 to build upon that and make it deeper with more options. They ended up changing many of the core mechanics and taking away the deep character and equiptment customization. In addition (and counter to the novels) they added clips and ammo and eliminated weapon over-heating. They tried to paper it over with some lame lore excuse, but it is really lame.

The first several hours I was playing it I was trying hard to figure out why in the heck they changed this or that. I guess the only answer is they decided to dumb it down, alot like DA (but much worse). I cannot recall ever coming on BW forums and writing a negative post, being a BW fan since the mid-90s. This company has changed directions recently and with ME2 I have lost alot of respect for them.

As far as the story, there is good and bad. I personally find the story less immersive than the first. In ME1, everything felt connected, I felt like I was a part of the universe. Now it distinctly feels like I am completing levels. The seemless manner from which you left your spacecraft and entered the world and back to the spacecraft is gone. In addition, at the end of each level you have a summary screen akin to a score screen in a FPS. The immersion is much reduced between ME1 and ME2.

Let me end saying that is not a bad game with a big caveat: Don't expect it to be ME1 but better, it isnt. This is more like a high-quality BW story grafted onto a standard FPS. It is probably deeper than the typical FPS, but not much.

Sorry BW, I am treating you guys the same way I now treat every game developer- with great skepticism. I will now wait until serious reviews from serious RPG fans are released before I buy another BW game. You can't sit there and wreck a game like that without telling us.

I could care less if people flame me, I won't reply (so dont bother).

[B10Reaper]

silvanis12345 wrote...
 In addition (and counter to the novels) they added clips and ammo and eliminated weapon over-heating.

My response to that when a friend told me about it was "So wait, in the time between mass effect 1 and 2, someone decided that nearly unlimited ammo given by shearing off a little bit of a large block was somehow worse than having a tiny amount of bullets in a clip in a gun? I hope someone got fired for that one" and now that I see they went through with it, I hope someone gets fired for real. Bioware: Stop trying to cater to the call of duty kiddies and leave the games aimed towards the people who have been playing them since they were children.

Modifié par B10Reaper, 29 janvier 2010 - 06:57 .

[chenDawg]

People are still whining about the ammo?

You should really take a look at your codex once and a while... it has been explained a million times over.



Also, thank you for making this post. I almost forgot about the very real concerns you have that have not been posted on this board hundreds of times already.

[Wolverfrog]

To be honest, I didn't like Mass Effect's gameplay. The shooting was glitchy, the lack of ammo made it too easy for a guy used to playing shooters, the inventory was cluttered, and the Mako sucked. The best thing about Mass Effect was the dialogue and story.



Mass Effect 2 seems to have actual good gameplay now, plus great dialogue and story.



At first, reading all the complaints here, I was disheartened. Then I realised you're all just being silly. Every other video gaming forum I've been to with threads about Mass Effect 2 praises it.



I can't wait to play it when it comes today.

[AlanC9]

That's good advice for any game purchase, actually.



About the only thing you ought to be flamed for is being wrong about DA.

[Mezinger]

Bioware are you listening? Some of your longest dearest fans are very upset with your newest release.



People can argue about it all they want... it's still an RPG it's not an RPG... point blank is a lot of people who really enjoyed ME1 are upset about ME2... and these aren't cry baby's who don't like any changes... these are old school, long term, profitable fans of the Bioware company... this is bad news.

[BatarianBob]

silvanis12345 wrote...

You can't sit there and wreck a game like that without telling us.

I'm curious.  Where exactly did you expect them to tell you?  You clearly weren't following the forums if you didn't know an ammo mechanic was being added.

Modifié par Taranatar9, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[Wolverfrog]

Mezinger wrote...

Bioware are you listening? Some of your longest dearest fans are very upset with your newest release.

People can argue about it all they want... it's still an RPG it's not an RPG... point blank is a lot of people who really enjoyed ME1 are upset about ME2... and these aren't cry baby's who don't like any changes... these are old school, long term, profitable fans of the Bioware company... this is bad news.

I've been a Bioware fan for a very long time, and love Mass Effect 2. Today's game industry is dominated by the shooter market. Bioware catered to that.

If you don't like shooters, well then, it's your loss.

A real gamer enjoys many game genres; FPS, TPS, RPG, RTS -- all of them. If you don't then you're just a fanboy who bought an expensive gaming rig just to play a couple of games.

[chenDawg]

Mezinger wrote...

Bioware are you listening? Some of your longest dearest fans are very upset with your newest release.

People can argue about it all they want... it's still an RPG it's not an RPG... point blank is a lot of people who really enjoyed ME1 are upset about ME2... and these aren't cry baby's who don't like any changes... these are old school, long term, profitable fans of the Bioware company... this is bad news.

Not that I'm against making your fans happy, but I'm quite sure they made far more money off of the new fans who loved the new gameplay over the few that cried over change.

[cyanrabbit]

Same here,
I enjoy ME2 but still feel sour of being lured by the "#2". This is definitely not what I expected and was sold... I can also enjoy shooter, but I was not looking for one here.. my loss, as people say..

Many people complain and get flamed here, by the new Fboys, the same one with slight ADD who fall asleep if the action is fast paced enough.... understand that their loyalty is the same as their attention span, rather short..

Please BW, do not forget us, fans of old, the one who already gave you 100s of dollars since the mid 90s, we are your backbone. You might enjoy getting fat with new customers, but without us, you will crumble in the long run, get EA to understand that, for the love of the video game development art!!

WE have always been your prescriptors, from now on (and well, let s admit it should have been since 2004-5), you are just becoming a company like so many others, and sadly most of those have quiet short life spans... That makes me feel deeply sad..

Not a rant, just feeling like if an old childhood friend decided to open clandestine sweat shops to provide for its business, because after all, you know, so many do it, and it brings back so much cash...

Modifié par cyanrabbit, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:13 .

[chenDawg]

cyanrabbit wrote...

Same here,
I enjoy ME2 but still feel sour of being lured by the "#2". This is definitely not what I expected and was sold...

Many people complain and get flamed here, by the new Fboys, the same one with slight ADD who fall asleep if the action is fast paced enough.... understand that their loyalty is the same as their attention span, rather short..

Please BW, do not forget us, fans of old, the one who already gave you 100s of dollars since the mid 90s, we are your backbone. You might enjoy getting fat with new customers, but without us, you will crumble in the long run, get EA to understand that, for the love of the video game development art!!

WE have always been your prescriptors, from now on (and well, let s admit it should have been since 2004-5), you are just becoming a company like others... That makes me feel deeply sad..

Your DA avatar will haunt my dreams.

[Vagivan]

B10Reaper wrote...

silvanis12345 wrote...
 In addition (and counter to the novels) they added clips and ammo and eliminated weapon over-heating.

My response to that when a friend told me about it was "So wait, in the time between mass effect 1 and 2, someone decided that nearly unlimited ammo given by shearing off a little bit of a large block was somehow worse than having a tiny amount of bullets in a clip in a gun? I hope someone got fired for that one" and now that I see they went through with it, I hope someone gets fired for real. Bioware: Stop trying to cater to the call of duty kiddies and leave the games aimed towards the people who have been playing them since they were children.

maybe cause spraying your way out of a situation without ammo caters to FPS enthusiasts.... <_<
use a little critical thinking please

[ComTrav]

http://www.metacriti...360/masseffect2



Review score of 96!



That and every game ever released had people complaining about it on forums afterwards.

[Admoniter]

cyanrabbit wrote...
Many people complain and get flamed here, by the new Fboys, the same one with slight ADD who fall asleep if the action is fast paced enough.... understand that their loyalty is the same as their attention span, rather short..

Please BW, do not forget us, fans of old, the one who already gave you 100s of dollars since the mid 90s, we are your backbone. You might enjoy getting fat with new customers, but without us, you will crumble in the long run, get EA to understand that, for the love of the video game development art!!

WE have always been your prescriptors, from now on (and well, let s admit it should have been since 2004-5), you are just becoming a company like others... That makes me feel deeply sad..

Please don't start the whole people who play shooters are mindless idiots honestly its been done to death, furthermore it's innacurate. Sure there are people who play shooters out there that are idiots but don't label an entire genre just because you don't like some of the changes that ME2 went through.

[Mezinger]

chenDawg wrote...

Mezinger wrote...

Bioware are you listening? Some of your longest dearest fans are very upset with your newest release.

People can argue about it all they want... it's still an RPG it's not an RPG... point blank is a lot of people who really enjoyed ME1 are upset about ME2... and these aren't cry baby's who don't like any changes... these are old school, long term, profitable fans of the Bioware company... this is bad news.

Not that I'm against making your fans happy, but I'm quite sure they made far more money off of the new fans who loved the new gameplay over the few that cried over change.

Sure and maybe the founders are quite happy to become just another money making division of EA, confirming all the long time fans fears when they sold out, *ouch that just sounds bad*, but Bioware has a long tradition for making rockstar RPGs from a small independent studio in the northern-ish area of Canada with a strong band of devoted fans who looked forward to every release... maybe they want to give that all up to cash in with the Call of Duty crowd... time will tell what their response is to their long term fan base being vocal about their / our disappointment... who knows... but we're negligent if we don't voice our disgruntlement and hope that Bioware will hear us and correct their future course... naive and optimistic perhaps... but we've been fans so long it's worth a shot.

[radwimp]

Don't lump all long and dear fans of Bioware into the same mold. I've been with them since '98. Games and companies have to change and evolve or they don't make it, and at their core, the important things, they haven't changed.

Modifié par jewbagel, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .

[cyanrabbit]

Admoniter wrote...

cyanrabbit wrote...
Many people complain and get flamed here, by the new Fboys, the same one with slight ADD who fall asleep if the action is fast paced enough.... understand that their loyalty is the same as their attention span, rather short..

Please BW, do not forget us, fans of old, the one who already gave you 100s of dollars since the mid 90s, we are your backbone. You might enjoy getting fat with new customers, but without us, you will crumble in the long run, get EA to understand that, for the love of the video game development art!!

WE have always been your prescriptors, from now on (and well, let s admit it should have been since 2004-5), you are just becoming a company like others... That makes me feel deeply sad..

Please don't start the whole people who play shooters are mindless idiots honestly its been done to death, furthermore it's innacurate. Sure there are people who play shooters out there that are idiots but don't label an entire genre just because you don't like some of the changes that ME2 went through.

I never said Idiot, I said "attention disorder", you know.. difficulty to focus on slow patterns, need for adrenaline, high blood pressure and all.
I just say that I, and many others had no problem with the pace of the first game, because combat was not why I was playing it, the story of the fights was what I loved.. Anyway.
I also love Rambo movies for fun, but if Star wars II (original) had become a high tension action movie, people would also have been a little pissed off, wouldn't they?

[Chained_Creator]

Elitist RPG player upset because a game made by a company that has made RPGs before doesn't make a game that's a total RPG shocker.

Seriously, this is not hard to understand. Your topic title makes it abundantly apparent that you did not do your research when you went out to buy this game, or ignored the results thereof. (Or you wouldn't be warning people to do so.) Being a fanboy damaged you, too bad, that's what you get for being a fanboy in this situation.

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .

[Admoniter]

Mezinger wrote...
Sure and maybe the founders are quite happy to become just another money making division of EA, confirming all the long time fans fears when they sold out, *ouch that just sounds bad*, but Bioware has a long tradition for making rockstar RPGs from a small independent studio in the northern-ish area of Canada with a strong band of devoted fans who looked forward to every release... maybe they want to give that all up to cash in with the Call of Duty crowd... time will tell what their response is to their long term fan base being vocal about their / our disappointment... who knows... but we're negligent if we don't voice our disgruntlement and hope that Bioware will hear us and correct their future course... naive and optimistic perhaps... but we've been fans so long it's worth a shot.

I'm fairly sure no one is saying don't voice your opinions on the game but the fact is that their really hasn't been much constructive criticism coming from some of people on these forums. They seem to enjoy playing the blame game much more instead of actually trying to help bioware.

[Valhak]

Maybe it isn't perfect.



But it's definitely better than the first one and it's definitely already eaten 40 hours of my life.



That is all.

[chenDawg]

Sure and maybe the founders are quite happy to become just another money making division of EA, confirming all the long time fans fears when they sold out, *ouch that just sounds bad*, but Bioware has a long tradition for making rockstar RPGs from a small independent studio in the northern-ish area of Canada with a strong band of devoted fans who looked forward to every release... maybe they want to give that all up to cash in with the Call of Duty crowd... time will tell what their response is to their long term fan base being vocal about their / our disappointment... who knows... but we're negligent if we don't voice our disgruntlement and hope that Bioware will hear us and correct their future course... naive and optimistic perhaps... but we've been fans so long it's worth a shot.

No point in arguing over opinion.

If you're so disappointed in Bioware then move on.
Majority rules in most cases and in this one the majority thought this game was a massive improvement in almost every way.

[Admoniter]

cyanrabbit wrote...
I never said Idiot, I said "attention disorder", you know.. difficulty to focus on slow patterns, need for adrenaline, high blood pressure and all.
I just say that I, and many others had no problem with the pace of the first game, because combat was not why I was playing it, the story of the fights was what I loved.. Anyway.
I also love Rambo movies for fun, but if Star wars II (original) had become a high tension action movie, people would also have been a little pissed off, wouldn't they?

Oh well in that case I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I apologize if I came off as some sort of zealot.

To address your point about the pace of the first game. I can agree that I did not play the game for combat but more for story however, to me the combat was clunky and awkward. I think Bioware made the right move of tightening up the combat so it held up on its own. Perhaps they went to far, perhaps they got it right, only time will tell.

[Mezinger]

jewbagel wrote...

Don't lump all long and dear fans of Bioware into the same mold. I've been with them since '98. Games and companies have to change and evolve or they don't make it, and at their core, the important things, they haven't changed.

80/20 rule? Don't know, I'm not sure it really matters... there's probably people out there that loved Shattered Steel and MDK and hated everything else until ME2... 

There's enough of us on this forum to make a good contingent.... people who've been Bioware RPG fans for ages, really enjoyed ME1 and are disappointed with ME2... okay not everyone...

I suppose if you say the core of Bioware is all about a good story than okay stated that broadly ME2 probably lives up to that standard... but if you think it takes more than a good story to make an RPG, and that ME2 is lacking some of those things... and that at its core Bioware is a rockstar RPG developer.... well you see where I'm going... 

To each their own... but by looking over the forums there are enough of the long term fans that are disappointed that Bioware should take note.

[radwimp]

I understand, and maybe it's because I never really saw Mass Effect as an RPG. BUt people denouncing Bioware for changing their RPGing ways when they just came out with Dragon Age is puzzling. They can't do more than one genre?

[Mezinger]

Admoniter wrote...

Mezinger wrote...
Sure and maybe the founders are quite happy to become just another money making division of EA, confirming all the long time fans fears when they sold out, *ouch that just sounds bad*, but Bioware has a long tradition for making rockstar RPGs from a small independent studio in the northern-ish area of Canada with a strong band of devoted fans who looked forward to every release... maybe they want to give that all up to cash in with the Call of Duty crowd... time will tell what their response is to their long term fan base being vocal about their / our disappointment... who knows... but we're negligent if we don't voice our disgruntlement and hope that Bioware will hear us and correct their future course... naive and optimistic perhaps... but we've been fans so long it's worth a shot.

I'm fairly sure no one is saying don't voice your opinions on the game but the fact is that their really hasn't been much constructive criticism coming from some of people on these forums. They seem to enjoy playing the blame game much more instead of actually trying to help bioware.

I'm not sure I agree with you... I think there's a lot of sentiment on this board that people who don't like it should "just move on" aka not or stop voicing our opinions.

I regret not spending more time on here being a fanboy of ME1 and defending viciously the Mako and the elevator rides and the (dare I say it?) the inventory system and the repetitive base maps on the secondary worlds... if I had known failure to do so would result in the gutting of all of it in the sequel I would have found the drive and time rather than just playing ME1 over and over again.

That said this time around I'll stick it out a little longer and hope Bioware acknowledges that there is a contingent of us, Bioware customers / fans, that are disappointed with their recent release not because it's slightly different than ME1 but because it has dramatically altered what we knew and liked and what have been looking forward to more of for quite some time never really came.