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[SweDragon]

Is it possible to choose the paragon path and save the factory workers without losing Zaeed loyalty? I had a greyed out paragon conversation option after the final shooting when the bad guy gets away even though I am a way into the 4th and final paragon bar on that meter. How much paragon points do I need, and will it even help if I have more paragon points before taking on the mission? Zaeed doesn't seem to be the sort of guy to be impressed by a speech about letting go of the hate

[marakanda]

Saved the workers and he still shows as loyal. Though I still dont trust him.

[ryuen]

Did you do the paragon action during the cutscene?

I did that, the speech and he is now loyal even after saving the workers and his target getting away.

[Ed__]

I don't like the way he is because, I am hardass on my ship, NOT Him ME

[SweDragon]

I didn't have enough paragon "skill" to do it. So he was really pissed and wanted to kill me. He didn't, but he didn't become loyal.



How much paragon skill do I need? I have 3 full bars + a small bit of the last.

[leester39]

So it is possible to save the workers, let Vido escape & still get Zaeed's loyalty? I think I will finish this mission after picking up the rest of my team & doing all of their missions first ... LOL.. but how much Paragon do I need? & then will I be able to punch Zaeed in the face for blowing up the refinery to begin with?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yes yes yes yes yes



Have to have high paragon though (though its level dependent, if you do it at the start of the game you may be ok) and make sure you punch him in the face.



PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE< PUNCH HIM IN THE FAAAAAAAACE!

[Ecael]

leester39 wrote...

So it is possible to save the workers, let Vido escape & still get Zaeed's loyalty? I think I will finish this mission after picking up the rest of my team & doing all of their missions first ... LOL.. but how much Paragon do I need? & then will I be able to punch Zaeed in the face for blowing up the refinery to begin with?

Yes. You need a good amount of Paragon (it varies depending on how much you've progressed through the game already).

Also, obligatory image:

[Val Seleznyov]

So i'm at level 30. I have recruited everyone except Legion, and finished everyone's loyalty mission except Miranda and Zaeed (and Legion).

How high does my Paragon stat need to be? I'm just about on the last bar.

Also i just read an older thread that suggested that wearing the Death Mask or Inferno armour can help. Does it?

Modifié par Val Seleznyov, 29 août 2010 - 01:26 .

[inert14]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

So i'm at level 30. I have recruited everyone except Legion, and finished everyone's loyalty mission except Miranda and Zaeed (and Legion).

How high does my Paragon stat need to be? I'm just about on the last bar.

Also i just read an older thread that suggested that wearing the Death Mask or Inferno armour can help. Does it?

Interesting you should choose to ask the question with that image in the prior post, heh.

It's already been said in this thread that your charm/intimidate options do not depend on how high your paragon/renegade is. Mass Effect 2 works slightly differently. It's not about how many points you have, rather how many points you've collected against how many you have missed up to that point in the game. If you've missed opportunities by not exploring conversations, then your overall percentage of paragon/renegade completion will be a problem for decisions such as Zaeed's loyalty.

Case in point, I do Zaeed's Loyalty almost right away, I have barely over one bar of paragon. However, since I miss absolutely no paragon/renegade points up to that point, the option is available to me.

That being said, the death mask can help you make up some missed paragon/renegade points.

Modifié par inert14, 29 août 2010 - 02:31 .

[Val Seleznyov]

inert14 wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

So i'm at level 30. I have recruited everyone except Legion, and finished everyone's loyalty mission except Miranda and Zaeed (and Legion).

How high does my Paragon stat need to be? I'm just about on the last bar.

Also i just read an older thread that suggested that wearing the Death Mask or Inferno armour can help. Does it?

Interesting you should choose to ask the question with that image in the prior post, heh.

It's already been said in this thread that your charm/intimidate options do not depend on how high your paragon/renegade is. Mass Effect 2 works slightly differently. It's not about how many points you have, rather how many points you've collected against how many you have missed up to that point in the game. If you've missed opportunities by not exploring conversations, then your overall percentage of paragon/renegade completion will be a problem for decisions such as Zaeed's loyalty.

Case in point, I do Zaeed's Loyalty almost right away, I have barely over one bar of paragon. However, since I miss absolutely no paragon/renegade points up to that point, the option is available to me.

That being said, the death mask can help you make up some missed paragon/renegade points.

I really don't think that is how it works. Had i gone the paragon path 100 percent of the time, the bar would likely have been filled. I can't say for sure that i haven't missed any opportunities to pick up points, but there is no way i could have missed very many.

Also, i read this thread the whole way through before posting, and it doesn't seem that any sort of consensus was reached.

Modifié par Val Seleznyov, 29 août 2010 - 03:52 .

[AntiChri5]

So this thread has been necro'd twice?

[KingDan97]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

inert14 wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

So i'm at level 30. I have recruited everyone except Legion, and finished everyone's loyalty mission except Miranda and Zaeed (and Legion).

How high does my Paragon stat need to be? I'm just about on the last bar.

Also i just read an older thread that suggested that wearing the Death Mask or Inferno armour can help. Does it?

Interesting you should choose to ask the question with that image in the prior post, heh.

It's already been said in this thread that your charm/intimidate options do not depend on how high your paragon/renegade is. Mass Effect 2 works slightly differently. It's not about how many points you have, rather how many points you've collected against how many you have missed up to that point in the game. If you've missed opportunities by not exploring conversations, then your overall percentage of paragon/renegade completion will be a problem for decisions such as Zaeed's loyalty.

Case in point, I do Zaeed's Loyalty almost right away, I have barely over one bar of paragon. However, since I miss absolutely no paragon/renegade points up to that point, the option is available to me.

That being said, the death mask can help you make up some missed paragon/renegade points.

I really don't think that is how it works. Had i gone the paragon path 100 percent of the time, the bar would likely have been filled. I can't say for sure that i haven't missed any opportunities to pick up points, but there is no way i could have missed very many.

Also, i read this thread the whole way through before posting, and it doesn't seem that any sort of consensus was reached.

A dev had said that, it has been quoted many many times. That is how it works.

[CroGamer002]

Ecael wrote...

leester39 wrote...

So it is possible to save the workers, let Vido escape & still get Zaeed's loyalty? I think I will finish this mission after picking up the rest of my team & doing all of their missions first ... LOL.. but how much Paragon do I need? & then will I be able to punch Zaeed in the face for blowing up the refinery to begin with?

Yes. You need a good amount of Paragon (it varies depending on how much you've progressed through the game already).

Also, obligatory image:

/bump


Also I hope Ecael will come back soon.

[AdamNW]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

inert14 wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

So i'm at level 30. I have recruited everyone except Legion, and finished everyone's loyalty mission except Miranda and Zaeed (and Legion).

How high does my Paragon stat need to be? I'm just about on the last bar.

Also i just read an older thread that suggested that wearing the Death Mask or Inferno armour can help. Does it?

Interesting you should choose to ask the question with that image in the prior post, heh.

It's already been said in this thread that your charm/intimidate options do not depend on how high your paragon/renegade is. Mass Effect 2 works slightly differently. It's not about how many points you have, rather how many points you've collected against how many you have missed up to that point in the game. If you've missed opportunities by not exploring conversations, then your overall percentage of paragon/renegade completion will be a problem for decisions such as Zaeed's loyalty.

Case in point, I do Zaeed's Loyalty almost right away, I have barely over one bar of paragon. However, since I miss absolutely no paragon/renegade points up to that point, the option is available to me.

That being said, the death mask can help you make up some missed paragon/renegade points.

I really don't think that is how it works. Had i gone the paragon path 100 percent of the time, the bar would likely have been filled. I can't say for sure that i haven't missed any opportunities to pick up points, but there is no way i could have missed very many.

Also, i read this thread the whole way through before posting, and it doesn't seem that any sort of consensus was reached.

Read ME Wiki much?

What I want to know is how much PERCENT is required for each chartimidate option.

[Burningwolf]

@Adam I guess the best anwser that can be given...is *it depends*

The hard and fast percentage's were left in ME1.Some can do it with 1 bubble...some can't with over 3.

[Val Seleznyov]

AdamNW wrote...
Read ME Wiki much?

What I want to know is how much PERCENT is required for each chartimidate option.

No, never.

I didn't realise that this forum was only for hardcore Mass Effect fans that have read the "wiki" and know it inside and out.

Obviously it was wrong of me to come to the official Mass Effect forum with my query, even though i posted it in the relevant sub forum, and even took the time to look for an older thread in which to do so - which i believe is good forum etiquette.

I think that some of you have spent too much on your computer playing and reading about Mass Effect, that it has taken a bit of a toll on your people skills. Some of you are extremely rude.

Modifié par Val Seleznyov, 29 août 2010 - 08:33 .

[Hussar]

Well said Val. I can't believe how many people complain about multiple posts or rehashing old posts. If you don't want to read a thread again, then don't keep reading the 5, 10, 15 replies just so you can flame the original poster.

[Chuvvy]

Oh cop outs. He's known you for all of twenty minutes and he's willing to throw away a twenty year grudge. Way more than a grudge. I always let the workers die just so it makes sense that he's loyal.

[Zan51]

QUOTE
"No, never.

I didn't realise that this forum was only for hardcore Mass Effect fans that have read the "wiki" and know it inside and out.

Obviously
it was wrong of me to come to the official Mass Effect forum with my
query, even though i posted it in the relevant sub forum, and even took
the time to look for an older thread in which to do so - which i believe
is good forum etiquette.

I think that some of you have spent too
much on your computer playing and reading about Mass Effect, that it
has taken a bit of a toll on your people skills. Some of you are
extremely rude."

I'm not a hardcore Wiki reader either, but I do read stuff that other threads point me to. Read this thread, it explains a lot: http://social.biowar...5/index/2990124 I am following some of this with my new play through right now, except I am not going to do any file editing!

I imported an ME1 game and got a bonus on Paragon points as my ME1 character was a Paragon. This again is a vital step if you have the game ME1. If not, get it, it is great fun too.

I was in the Omega hub region when I started after Freedon's Progress, and so did all the Omega hub quests there. I am going the Paragon path. I recruited Zaeed, Garrus and Mordin. Talking to all the shopkeepers and sorting problems by giving the Quarian the money to get home & getting a discount from him, talking to the elephant guy also selling spare parts and telling him he was doing a bad thing to Kenn, etc, and getting a discount from the 3rd merchant too. Saving Patriarch for Aria, etc.

Meanwhile you MUST put all points you get for missions into the class Skill that tells you when you have 4 points in it, you get 100% bonus on Paragon talk options! This is vital.

After all those are done, I did Zaeed's loyalty mission. I didn't have that many Paragon points, BUT I hadn't missed getting any from the areas I had visited, so as a Paragon I got to punch Zaeed in the face for setting fire to the refinery, and at the end I am holding a gun in his face choosing the Paragon option "I don't want yo on my team" which actually syas, "We have to work as a team in this.. etc" And although Vito escaped, I got his loyalty - presumably because he knew I was a bigger SOB than he was!

Difficult Paragon conversation Options have to be done early on in the game, like this one, Miranda and Jack's fight and as soon as you can as it triggers the end scenario of Suicide Mission, Tali and Legion's fight...

The only one  I have ever had problems with was the Miranda /Jack one on a 2nd playthrough of ME2 with an imported ME1 character.. I was already L 29 before I began and getting Paragon enough to Win that fight never happened for the reasons the OPs say, quite rightly. It isn't the points you have, it is how many opportunities to get Paragon points you missed.. kinda.. However, although Jack wasn't loyal she survived along with everyone else in my Suicide Mission.

So my advice is do as the guide I Linked you to says, do every side quest and major quest in each hub area as soon as you can before going to another hub. Do the Loayalty missions as soon as possible because the lower you are in level, the less Paragon Points you need for those difficult situations I mentioned.

Hubs are Omega, Citadel, Ilium. Because if you miss any quests when there, when you go back it counts against you.
Hope this helps. :happy:
Edited spelling..

Modifié par Zan51, 29 août 2010 - 10:54 .

[MrFob]

Hey, only a loosely related question but isn't there a renegade option there as well? I am playing a paragade right now and I'd like to save the workers and then renegade talk him into falling in line. Sounds plausible to me (given the character) but I read before that this does not ensure Zaeeds loyalty. Any info on that?

[Eber]

Hey, only a loosely related question but isn't there a renegade option there as well?

No, there is no renegade persusade option there at the end. Earlier in the mission, before Vito gets away, you can use blue or red in a conversation but at the end when his loyalty is on the line there's only the blue option.

I wouldn't stress over this though. Zaeeds loyalty skill is mehhh, his loyalty doesn't matter much in the suicide mission and who's to say if it will matter in ME3. I think not...

Modifié par Eber, 29 août 2010 - 10:55 .

[didymos1120]

Burningwolf wrote...

@Adam I guess the best anwser that can be given...is *it depends*
The hard and fast percentage's were left in ME1.Some can do it with 1 bubble...some can't with over 3.

ME1 doesn't use percentages.  You simply need X number of points in the Charm/Intimidate skill, completely independent of how many Par/Ren points you've accumulated.  There is also no scaling: each persuasion has eternally fixed requirements.  All the actual Paragon/Renegade scores do is give you a free point in the skills when you've hit certain (also eternally fixed) milestones.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 août 2010 - 11:36 .

[didymos1120]

MrFob wrote...

Any info on that?

Yep:  Paragon persuade or no loyalty for you.  No cut dialogue for a Renegade solution to that path exists either.  Your only option for a successful Renegade outcome is to let those people burn.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 août 2010 - 11:40 .