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[didymos1120]

Cube404 wrote...

Even when you go and visit Freedom's Progress, Veetor mentions readings he took of the Collectors. "...I recorded them with my Omni-Tool. Lots of Readings. Electromagnetic. Dark Energy."

Soooo perhaps some connection to the Reapers.

Well, they were Collectors, so connection to the Reapers established anyway.  Also: every single user of biotics manipulates dark energy, and the Collectors are all at least potentially biotic.  If Veetor had scanned biotic Shep in action, there'd be similar readings.  Also: anything that generates an ME field, be it a pistol or a starship, manipulates dark energy too.  It would have been weird if Veetor hadn't gotten any such readings.

[achwas]

Nevertheless,.. Veetor gets to specifically mention it - indicating he considers his readings odd.

RL dark energy fills the space, ahem the void between the stars and on a larger scale, the galaxies.



Now, where were the Reapers supposed to be lurking again ?

[AresXX7]

didymos1120 wrote...

Cube404 wrote...

Even when you go and visit Freedom's Progress, Veetor mentions readings he took of the Collectors. "...I recorded them with my Omni-Tool. Lots of Readings. Electromagnetic. Dark Energy."

Soooo perhaps some connection to the Reapers.

Well, they were Collectors, so connection to the Reapers established anyway.  Also: every single user of biotics manipulates dark energy, and the Collectors are all at least potentially biotic.  If Veetor had scanned biotic Shep in action, there'd be similar readings.  Also: anything that generates an ME field, be it a pistol or a starship, manipulates dark energy too.  It would have been weird if Veetor hadn't gotten any such readings.

Thinking about Retribution, and the connection between biotics & dark energy, I'm now wondering if we've overlooked something.
Some of us are thinking of ways, for Shep & co. to use dark energy, as a weapon, but, what if the Reapers are doing the same?
(I'm referring to a possible reason, in regards to them using Grayson, to get data from the Ascension Project, for any updated  info).

Modifié par AriesXX7, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:12 .

[didymos1120]

achwas wrote...

Nevertheless,.. Veetor gets to specifically mention it - indicating he considers his readings odd.

He also mentions E/M.  Doesn't mean that those readings are odd.  Doesn't mean they're not.  It simply means he took E/M readings of the Collectors and seekers.  Since they're both rather odd to begin with, there's no basis for comparison.  What are "normal" E/M or dark energy readings for a Collector anyway?  All he's telling you is what kind of stuff he was able to capture with his gear. 

RL dark energy fills the space, ahem the void between the stars and on a larger scale, the galaxies.

It's thought to fill space, period, whether that space is occupied by matter, dark matter, or nothing else at all.  There's nothing that restricts it to either interstellar or intergalactic regions only.

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Pacifien]

Slidell505 wrote...
Nerd raged when they brought up dark energy as a star destroyer. You know what destroys stars? Iron. Iron destroys stars, and it does it in seconds. They're just using it as a plot device, and dark energy sounds allot better than iron. So I can't really blame them.

I had no idea chucking an iron skillet into the sun would doom us all.

But maybe no one mentioned that to me because that's honestly not how it works.

[Sajuro]

Moiaussi wrote...

Falcon084 wrote...

According to the book the station can be moved and it's written on the prologue page of the book. Take a look.

If it can be moved stategicly, it is a starship, not a station...  All orbital facilities can be 'moved.' They don't have magical space anchors holding their place permanently at no power cost. It is still completely nuts to test a nova bomb on a star you are orbiting in such a station.

You seem to forget that the man runs the "Hey lets hook an autistic man up to a VI and see what happens" group. I don't think plans always go to the careful thinking stage before jumping right into action.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

they should include meteoroids, moons, and dust clusters containing elements/minerals/jewelry/metals...

[Pacifien]

I don't put much stock in what Veetor says about his dark energy readings, though perhaps that's all a part of the clues the developers sprinkled throughout the game that this was some plot point to take note.

Aside from Haestrom's star of Dholen, there is also the star of Solveig that, as far as I can tell, is going through the exact same process as Dholen. You discover it in the much maligned "what was the point of that" mission where you bring the shield generators back online at the research station on Sinmara. The mission itself was probably the shortest and seemingly pointless mission of the game, but I don't think the mission was so much the point as it was the description of the system itself. Because when I say it's exactly like Dholen, I mean exactly. Both stars in the red giant phase whose ends began abruptly.

I do consider Gianna's line about the sudden interest in dark energy on Noveria as being connected to Dholen and Solveig. Suddenly the quarian scientists are interested, so I wouldn't be surprised if scientists of other civilizations are interested. Question is: why so suddenly?

[NICKjnp]

@Pacifien



Space Magic.

[Pacifien]

NICKjnp wrote...
@Pacifien

Space Magic.

I am totally going to tell quantum physicists this when we get into tussles over the aether quality of dark energy/dark matter.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
@Pacifien

Space Magic.

I am totally going to tell quantum physicists this when we get into tussles over the aether quality of dark energy/dark matter.

That is what I do... and I post this picture when people asked how it is possible on these forums or mention plothole:


Wynne did it!

[Pacifien]

Elithranduil wrote...
They missed the last cycle. Things are going to start exploding spontaneously in ME3. Let's hope the Reapers reset everything in time. Or the whole Universe could collapse for all we know.

I think I saw that on Doctor Who last series...

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Pacifien wrote...

I don't put much stock in what Veetor says about his dark energy readings, though perhaps that's all a part of the clues the developers sprinkled throughout the game that this was some plot point to take note.

Aside from Haestrom's star of Dholen, there is also the star of Solveig that, as far as I can tell, is going through the exact same process as Dholen. You discover it in the much maligned "what was the point of that" mission where you bring the shield generators back online at the research station on Sinmara. The mission itself was probably the shortest and seemingly pointless mission of the game, but I don't think the mission was so much the point as it was the description of the system itself. Because when I say it's exactly like Dholen, I mean exactly. Both stars in the red giant phase whose ends began abruptly.

I do consider Gianna's line about the sudden interest in dark energy on Noveria as being connected to Dholen and Solveig. Suddenly the quarian scientists are interested, so I wouldn't be surprised if scientists of other civilizations are interested. Question is: why so suddenly?

i don't know. So you think this side-story would be featured in Mass Effect 3 pertaining Gianna's next cameo with more elaborated detail? How come Commander Shephard's character can't harvest dark energy and stuff?

[epoch_]

Elithranduil wrote...

I think what is happening to the stars is a natural progression of the Galaxy and the very reason the Reapers make sure they wipe out all life every 50,000 years. So that... bad stuff won't happen... or something.

They missed the last cycle. Things are going to start exploding spontaneously in ME3. Let's hope the Reapers reset everything in time. Or the whole Universe could collapse for all we know.

/crazy rant

ME3 needs a twist. And what you're trying to get at would be acceptable. If ME3 is straight up stop the reapers, no twists or anything, i'm going to be disappointed.

[Pacifien]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
i don't know. So you think this side-story would be featured in Mass Effect 3 pertaining Gianna's next cameo with more elaborated detail? How come Commander Shephard's character can't harvest dark energy and stuff?

In my more pessimistic state, I think nothing will come of this at all.

Commander Shepard can't harvest dark energy because then the developers really would have to bring out the space magic to describe what dark energy is since, at this particular time, no one knows what it is. It is this magical aether of the universe that makes things go.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
i don't know. So you think this side-story would be featured in Mass Effect 3 pertaining Gianna's next cameo with more elaborated detail? How come Commander Shephard's character can't harvest dark energy and stuff?

In my more pessimistic state, I think nothing will come of this at all.

Commander Shepard can't harvest dark energy because then the developers really would have to bring out the space magic to describe what dark energy is since, at this particular time, no one knows what it is. It is this magical aether of the universe that makes things go.

It's really just Lyrium.

[StrawberryViking]

Elithranduil wrote...

I think what is happening to the stars is a natural progression of the Galaxy and the very reason the Reapers make sure they wipe out all life every 50,000 years. So that... bad stuff won't happen... or something.

They missed the last cycle. Things are going to start exploding spontaneously in ME3. Let's hope the Reapers reset everything in time. Or the whole Universe could collapse for all we know.

/crazy rant

Huh. That was almost exactly what I was thinking (though you managed to somehow put it more elooquently than I would have).

I kept thinking to myself why everyone keeps thinking that the prematurely dying stars are going to be used as a weapon against the reapers, yet not think abou the exact opposite. I myself suspected that it gave hints as to what exactly the purpose of the reapers is.

From what we know, the "reapers" are the 'immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in darkspace', they are a hyper-advanced synthetic-organic lifeform. They make smoothies out of the most dominant (or most genetically superior, as in the case of humans) life form in the galaxy to reproduce. But they can't just exist to wipe out all sentient life on the galaxy, over and over. Every life form serves a purpose, but the reapers don't seem to have one aside from continously wiping out civilazation.

I think it would be an interesting twist to realize that the big bad of the entire series is infact, doing good, by controling the dark energy in the universe, or saving us all from the invetible "bad stuff" that might happen if the reapers do not do what they need to do.

Also, if you really think about it, the enemies of ME1 and ME2 had a main enemy that was clearly misunderstood:

• Saren- was indoctrinated by the Reapers, and forced to believe that what he was doing was the only way to save sentient life.
• Collectors- are actually protheans, genetically mutated and altered to serve the reapers whims. 

and if you feel inclined:

• Geth- the main enemies of ME1 were actually just a faction of heretic geth, and most are just... not attacking people? IDK, but they're certainly not working for the reapers. 

Given this information, it actually shouldn't come as a big surprise that the reapers might actually be the 'misunderstood villain'.

Something else to mull over is that Sovereign states that the reapers leave behind things like element zero to help life develop on the path they desire. As previously stated, all the technology derived from element zero and the property of mass effect use dark energy. You know, the same kind associated with the dying sun?

Also, the reapers are partly inspired by Cthulhu, how is suggested to have been born "I learned whence Cthulhu first came, and why half the great temporary stars of history had flared forth."

and

"...preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection
when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them."

Again, something to think about.

[MadCat0912]

Don't forget that Parasini, if left alive, mentions after being seen on Illium that there's a lot of people interested in Dark Energy on Noveria and she wonders about that.

[MadCat0912]

Elithranduil wrote...

I think what is happening to the stars is a natural progression of the Galaxy and the very reason the Reapers make sure they wipe out all life every 50,000 years. So that... bad stuff won't happen... or something.

They missed the last cycle. Things are going to start exploding spontaneously in ME3. Let's hope the Reapers reset everything in time. Or the whole Universe could collapse for all we know.

/crazy rant

Well, they do keep saying that they're preparing us for ascension, they're the harbringer of our salvation through our destruction, and general stuff like that.  I wouldn't doubt it if the Reapers are bad guys who intend on destroying us to make us immortal giant squid ships like them so we can avoid whatever fate would befall us if they don't harvest us in time.

[Pacifien]

StrawberryViking wrote...
Something else to mull over is that Sovereign states that the reapers leave behind things like element zero to help life develop on the path they desire. As previously stated, all the technology derived from element zero and the property of mass effect use dark energy. You know, the same kind associated with the dying sun?

The Reapers didn't specifically leave behind element zero, that's likely a ubiquitous substance of the universe. What Sovereign did say they left behind was the Citadel and Mass Relays, so that the technology would develop along the paths they desire.

I had this terrific theory that if the Reapers (or whoever) wanted to manipulate the output of element zero in the galaxy, they would mess with stars to make them go nova as it turns into a neutron star. Because I never could get neutrons out of my head in association with element zero. Anyway, theory doesn't work. Need massively huge star and supernova, not death by red giant.

Part of me thinks this has nothing to do with the Reapers at all, it's the developers planting the seeds of yet another threat that needs to be combatted in an entirely new ME series not having to do with Shepard. That's me getting optimistic, though.

[gunswordfist]

I've been thinking that as well. I hope it's not something as obvious...and wacky as a mass relay within the star. We'll see. Someone convinced me that that star will play a big part in Mass Effect 3.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

StrawberryViking wrote...
Something else to mull over is that Sovereign states that the reapers leave behind things like element zero to help life develop on the path they desire. As previously stated, all the technology derived from element zero and the property of mass effect use dark energy. You know, the same kind associated with the dying sun?

The Reapers didn't specifically leave behind element zero, that's likely a ubiquitous substance of the universe. What Sovereign did say they left behind was the Citadel and Mass Relays, so that the technology would develop along the paths they desire.

I had this terrific theory that if the Reapers (or whoever) wanted to manipulate the output of element zero in the galaxy, they would mess with stars to make them go nova as it turns into a neutron star. Because I never could get neutrons out of my head in association with element zero. Anyway, theory doesn't work. Need massively huge star and supernova, not death by red giant.

Part of me thinks this has nothing to do with the Reapers at all, it's the developers planting the seeds of yet another threat that needs to be combatted in an entirely new ME series not having to do with Shepard. That's me getting optimistic, though.

Not to mention that a supernova would wipe out life all around the stars that are near it.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:31 .

[didymos1120]

StrawberryViking wrote...
Every life form serves a purpose, but the reapers don't seem to have one aside from continously wiping out civilazation.

Which seems to be how they reproduce, which really makes their "purpose" no different than any other species.  I mean, unless you subscribe to some teleological view of life, the universe, and everything, no lifeform really serves any purpose beyond propogating the species, its particular lineage and/or its genes (depending on what you think is the primary unit of selection).  They may have functions within a particular ecological context but that doesn't mean they were "made" for any specific "purpose".   For example, it's hard to see what use the ichneumonid wasps are to anything else, but there sure are a lot of them. Sure, a few species may be pollinators, but plenty of less gruesomely reproducing insects can do that job just fine, so that's not much of an argument for their having a "purpose".

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:33 .