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[gunswordfist]

[quote]JL81 wrote... I actually think whatever causes the star to be unstable will be used to destroy the Reapers. Think of this happening to a whole bunch of stars... like a chain-reaction of star explosions exploding around the Reaper armada. Only stars have enough power to eliminate them.[/ quote]Hmmm, good theory. The beacon visions had a chain reaction.

[didymos1120]

Elithranduil wrote...

Oh and of course - the Reapers take the best of what each 50,000 year cycle has to offer and formally invites them to their ranks to continue in their sacred duty as guardians of the Galaxy.

So the mass slaughter and trying to scare the hell out of people with all that "Vanguard of your destruction" style rhetoric is just their way of saying "We'd like to make you an offer..."?  Guess we need to update the translator software...

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:43 .

[Pacifien]

I never thought it made much sense to say the Reapers carry out a cycle of destruction every 50,000 years. It just happens that the last extinction was about 50,000 years ago. The reason why the Reapers didn't wipe out the Asari a couple millennia ago is because the signal to the Keepers failed and Sovereign had to figure out what was wrong. But had the signal succeeded, the Reapers would have wiped out the Asari and Salarians, gone back to Dark Space, and then not two millennia after that, the Turians or Humans would have found the Citadel all over again. Doubt the Reapers would sit around for another 48,000 years to nip that one in the bud.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Pacifien wrote...

I never thought it made much sense to say the Reapers carry out a cycle of destruction every 50,000 years. It just happens that the last extinction was about 50,000 years ago. The reason why the Reapers didn't wipe out the Asari a couple millennia ago is because the signal to the Keepers failed and Sovereign had to figure out what was wrong. But had the signal succeeded, the Reapers would have wiped out the Asari and Salarians, gone back to Dark Space, and then not two millennia after that, the Turians or Humans would have found the Citadel all over again. Doubt the Reapers would sit around for another 48,000 years to nip that one in the bud.

dude you javier, and that one chick are voice actors right?

but yeah... reapers would basically take out everything in the galaxy eventually... best that every race work together as to trying to stop them by all means.

Pacifien wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
i don't know. So you think this side-story would be featured in Mass Effect 3 pertaining Gianna's next cameo with more elaborated detail? How come Commander Shephard's character can't harvest dark energy and stuff?

In my more pessimistic state, I think nothing will come of this at all.

Commander Shepard can't harvest dark energy because then the developers really would have to bring out the space magic to describe what dark energy is since, at this particular time, no one knows what it is. It is this magical aether of the universe that makes things go.

you're totally right... i noticed alot of downplayed themes/aspects of such too. Like why call Biotic powers, biotics? Mass Effect has alot of key sci fi explanations of stuff (Few Races, Ships, Planets, Adventure, Science, Action, etc), and dark energy being explained added into that mixture could possibly be too much for 2 disc or something... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Pacifien wrote...

I never thought it made much sense to say the Reapers carry out a cycle of destruction every 50,000 years. It just happens that the last extinction was about 50,000 years ago. The reason why the Reapers didn't wipe out the Asari a couple millennia ago is because the signal to the Keepers failed and Sovereign had to figure out what was wrong. But had the signal succeeded, the Reapers would have wiped out the Asari and Salarians, gone back to Dark Space, and then not two millennia after that, the Turians or Humans would have found the Citadel all over again. Doubt the Reapers would sit around for another 48,000 years to nip that one in the bud.

Or maybe the 50000 year wait isn't related to the degree of evolution of sentient species. Maybe it's 50000 years for another reason... a reason concerning dark energy in stars? 

[gunswordfist]

Elithranduil wrote... Oh and of course - the Reapers take the best

of what each 50,000 year cycle has to offer

and formally invites them to their ranks to

continue in their sacred duty as guardians of

the Galaxy. Humanity proved its worth and the Human

Reaper was a testament to the tenacity of our

race. The Human Reaper would have operated

for millions of cycles to come. Until we blew it

up for the wrong reasons. Oh well.

Heh, that actually makes sense. The Collectors might have been abducting other species to see if they are worthy to form a Reaper and just got them in small samples just for tests. They after Shepard put his foot up Sovereign's ass, they decided to go with humans and risks getting extra attention when they started taking out whole colonies.

[Pacifien]

Juromaro wrote...
didn't liara verfy a 50,000 year galactic life-cycle in ME1?

Yeah, I think it's used in the game a couple times, and it's certainly used a lot in the forums. Just don't think it makes sense. If the Reapers' purpose is the extinction of civilizations that rise to their apex using the Reapers' mass relay system, then the cycle is depended on the rise and fall of civilizations.

But as EffectByTheMasses mentions, seems they could show up on a 50,000 year cycle for other reasons and the extinction of all spacefaring civilization is like their side perk.

[StrawberryViking]

didymos1120 wrote...

StrawberryViking wrote...
Every life form serves a purpose, but the reapers don't seem to have one aside from continously wiping out civilazation.

Which seems to be how they reproduce, which really makes their "purpose" no different than any other species.  I mean, unless you subscribe to some teleological view of life, the universe, and everything, no lifeform really serves any purpose beyond propogating the species, its particular lineage and/or its genes (depending on what you think is the primary unit of selection).  They may have functions within a particular ecological context but that doesn't mean they were "made" for any specific "purpose".   For example, it's hard to see what use the ichneumonid wasps are to anything else, but there sure are a lot of them. Sure, a few species may be pollinators, but plenty of less gruesomely reproducing insects can do that job just fine, so that's not much of an argument for their having a "purpose".

Concerning this, what I had more in mind was an ecology type of view, with every species working to maintain equilibrium in their enviroment, like the wolves hunt deer, consequently, the deer don't overpopulate, use up all their food supply, and subsequently die off. I related this to the reapers keeping the dark energy and/or the population of the galaxy in check. Although you do make good points.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Edit: nvm.

Modifié par EffectedByTheMasses, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[HeyUder]

The star thing is a little ludicrous

Modifié par HeyUder, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:38 .

[e-ver]

Pacifien wrote...

I never thought it made much sense to say the Reapers carry out a cycle of destruction every 50,000 years. It just happens that the last extinction was about 50,000 years ago. The reason why the Reapers didn't wipe out the Asari a couple millennia ago is because the signal to the Keepers failed and Sovereign had to figure out what was wrong. But had the signal succeeded, the Reapers would have wiped out the Asari and Salarians, gone back to Dark Space, and then not two millennia after that, the Turians or Humans would have found the Citadel all over again. Doubt the Reapers would sit around for another 48,000 years to nip that one in the bud.

Well, Chorban's eMail about the Keepers (if you did the quest in ME1) seems to support the idea of a relatively strict timeframe: "And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react
to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand
years."


@ topic

Ever since hearing Harbinger's uncut speech ( social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4358828 - at 0.16) where he says: "You will surrender your potantial against the growing void.", I have a feeling that the Reapers might not be the biggst fish in the pond. Somehow I don't think he's referring to the reapers when talking about the "growing void". Might have to do something with dying stars?
But maybe I'm just hallucinating. That's just as likely (if not more).

Modifié par Allerleihrau, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:41 .

[Moiaussi]

There is a tie between dark energy and biotics, correct?

What if, every 50,000 years, the galaxy generates more dark energy than usual? Biotics could potentially become a lot more powerful, mass effect based tech could too.

The reapers could pop in every 50,000 years to clean up any civilizations pre-emptively, to keep them from taking advantage, while taking advantage somehow themselves.

That would tie their cycle to something other than that of civilizations or lack thereof.

They wouldn't care if a race found the Citadel 'early' since without the dark energy peak, the race wouldn't be able to make significant use of it.

[didymos1120]

Moiaussi wrote...

There is a tie between dark energy and biotics, correct?

Anything that creates an ME field of any kind is manipulating dark energy, because it's using eezo to do it and that's what eezo does.  So, yes, basically.  

[Moiaussi]

didymos1120 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

There is a tie between dark energy and biotics, correct?

Anything that creates an ME field of any kind is manipulating dark energy, because it's using eezo to do it and that's what eezo does.  So, yes, basically.  

Hence my adding 'mass effect based tech too' Any thoughts on my actual theory?

[didymos1120]

Allerleihrau wrote...


Ever since hearing Harbinger's uncut speech ( social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4358828 - at 0.16) where he says: "You will surrender your potantial against the growing void.", I have a feeling that the Reapers might not be the biggst fish in the pond. Somehow I don't think he's referring to the reapers when talking about the "growing void". Might have to do something with dying stars?

I just took it as sort of flowery (in a Reaper sort of) way of referring to the expansion of the universe, which in practice means the intergalactic voids get ever larger.  Of course, in RL dark energy was hypothesized to explain the fact that the long-observed expansion was actually accelerating (i.e. whatever dark energy really is, its effect on the cosmic scale is one of repulsion. I.e., there's not enough gravity-having stuff to counteract its influence. And it may even completely overwhelm all forces in the end, such that even atoms will be ripped apart).

[didymos1120]

Moiaussi wrote...

Hence my adding 'mass effect based tech too' Any thoughts on my actual theory?

Ah.  Overlooked that.  Yeah, um, could be.  What I wonder though is this: does using the mass effect actually create dark energy (or rather, does it convert normal energy into dark energy), or does it simply "corral" dark energy and allow one to exploit its effects?  The way the books describe biotics is that the person "gathers" DE, but I don't know how literally that's intended. 

If ME fields really do result in adding to the DE column while taking away from the matter/dark matter/energy column, then it's definitely possible that excess use could screw up the cosmic environment (another and popular theory).  On the other hand, I have trouble believing that even a galactic civilization could have such a drastic effect on the overall abundance of any of the basic substances of the universe, not just DE, and especially to the point where the galaxy was at risk of becoming gravitationally unbound or whatever.

If it's really a gathering thing, then your theory could be right, and it's just the Reapers exploiting the natural cycles for their benefit.  But then, you have to explain why DE goes up and down, which should also leave some sort of mark on the galaxy that people would notice.  It should mess up expected orbits or something.

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:48 .