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[ERJAK2]

KalliChan07 wrote...

*Didn't check to see if there were other threads on this yet.  So I apologize if I'm just repeating other user's.*

I rarely discuss my gender in gamer conversations, but this.. is... painful.

First and foremost - I l.o.v.e. this game.  The level up system is nice and smooth.  The shooting / special abilities interface system is seamless.  It's an amazing gaming experience.

Originally I never felt Shepard would be interested in romance considering her/his missions, but after speaking with Garrus... just couldn't help myself.  That being said, I really enjoy how Bioware has handled the scenes and dialogue in this game.  They're few, short, and very very sweet.

Just one problem.  Bioware... you have zero love for us ladies!!!

I played through, and beat the game in 22hrs.  I originally thought I'd go for Thane, but Garrus easily won my heart.  I was so excited to see Garrus get something great for himself; Shepard.  Then I saw the love scene... it was so sweet and I enjoyed it.. but we bumped heads............



*coughs*


BUMPED HEADS?!?!?!

I get he's an alien.. but really?  Tali could've died and she takes her mask off for male shepard, Miranda shows her breasts, and Jack gets some bed action.  Yet you gave Garrus a damn head bump?!  COME ON!!!

The poor guy gets betrayed, his face nearly blown off, and what do I give him?  ...a head bump.

So, I think to myself; "Ok this must be the super sweet love scene."  I go and check out Thane's love scene.  There's some crying and kissing... the end.  Jacob was all about the abs, but 1 out of 3?

Bioware, us lady gamers may be few, but we're still here.  I understand taking off Garrus's outfit wouldn't have worked, but at least you could've had him pick up Shepard and take her to the bed all sweet like. 

/sigh  I still adore Garrus, he's my favorite character by far.  I just hope there's a better love scene with him in ME3, and better female / alien love scenes in general... : /

All the female romances sucked. The end

[DeathCultArm]

Tali being a LI made it a "boys" game...What a waste...

[lltoon]

Nadia73 wrote...


two words:

target
audience


unfortunately, this game was not made to cater to females.

Wait..... girls play games??? Thats umpossible! D:

[Rankao]

Play Dragon Age. The only good romance is the Female (Mage) The Other 3 Manipulate, Bed and then Kill for their living. When I played through my Male in DA I was all like. "My GOD this dwarf is going to be loveless through his adventure. Why ISN'T ALISTER GAY!!!!" but sadly the gay character was an assassin who had no standards, and bed and killed people for a living. So I picked Morrigan because she didn't get paid for killing people.

[joejoe099]

the turian face is hardly even in one piece by itself! two flaps cover a large amount of teeth with no iner cheecks or muscle, and considering half of his face is already gone, i think it might be pushng it even more. also, garru's romance convos are mainly him talking but some how "awkward" for him at same time

[challenger18]

You know, you can't really compare Miranda's love scene with Garrus, the characters didn't play the same roles. Roles, meaning Miranda was the supposed to be the new lead female NPC or just the Ashely. Garrus isn't supposed to be the new lead male. Jacob fills that role, and there is some eyecandy going on with his romance scene.



In general though, I get where TC is coming from and I do agree. At the same time, I have no attraction to Garrus and can't really think of him doing anything with FemShep that wouldn't make me cringe. But bumping heads followed by leading her down to the bed? Sure, that's cool I guess.

[Wynne]

KalliChan, don't let anybody fool you into thinking the word "few" describes us. Female gamers are not "few"--if we were, then we wouldn't have had more than one love interest! Women make up over half the pop of the world last I heard, 40% of gamers are female according to the ESA, 5 of the 12 people (roughly 40%) randomly selected to go to London for the Dragon Age event were female, and the female-to-male poll in my signature quickly climbed to 38% female and has been going back and forth between that and 36%.

Mass Effect 2 has already sold OVER TWO MILLION copies. If we just take the two million figure, and we take the average of the male to female poll with the ESA data to make a rough guess between 37 and 38%, then we can estimate that by now, about 800,000 women have played Mass Effect 2.

EIGHT. HUNDRED. THOUSAND. WOMEN.

Yes, there are [b]more[/i] males playing Mass Effect... but there are enough females that the majority of the straight dudes could find a girl who played the game somewhere reasonably close to home, if they go looking in gamer's circles. In other words, don't for a moment let yourself think in terms of "few" anymore. More and more women either had a cool dad who helped them appreciate unconventional hobbies, or a supportive boyfriend who was adorable at them until they grudgingly tried the pastime and realized it's awesome, and those women will probably pass their love of gaming on to their daughters someday. I know a mom who DMs for her two kids. I think in coming generations the gap will continue to close until it's roughly equal.

So in other words, there's a reason why we got three love interests this time around. The devs were trying to be awesome for us, which I love them for, and the reason they were doing it is because around 600,000 women (using the 37% figure rounded up again and the 1.6 million figure that I've heard in regards to ME1) played the original Mass Effect. And since ME2 is already past the two million mark, if it keeps going like this there may be a MILLION female fans for this game. You do not want to lose a MILLION customers. That is a whole lot of money. So it's just plain smart business for them to be looking out for us, too--I just think they could've used some extra constructive criticism from women to maximize the enjoyment of playing a FemShep.

Anyway, the whole thing that I liked about Garrus in ME1 was that he was so sweet, and so much more interesting in personality than Kaidan. After ME2 I changed my mind. When your only option to start a romance with somebody is to do some pervy, awkward flirting... I don't know. It feels utterly wrong and bass-ackwards. Like somebody completely misunderstood Garrus' appeal.

I don't think anybody had a sort of... kink for turians. I think it was all about who we thought he was. That gentle respectfulness he showed, that interest in Shepard as a mentor, that mellow calm, that renegade spirit born of a desire to help, his love for his job. And so the fact that your interactions with Garrus start out with all that talk about reach and flexibility which was about as subtle and caring as a mack truck slamming into a brick wall... weird. Just weird. Pretty much the opposite of what I would've hoped for.

I don't get why two out of three romances intended for FemShep are basically flirtations and only Miranda is a fling for MaleShep. I would've thought it'd be the other way around. For once, I think some gender stereotyping might've been a good thing. One fling is great, especially since Jacob was still somebody you'd have to see as a real person, much like Miranda, just not a serious relationship... but the others... I don't see anybody being attracted to an alien EVER without some sort of unique emotional bond forming FIRST. I think otherwise, you'd stick to your species.

Now, I liked seeing Jacob's abs. A LOT. And I enjoy looking at Kal Reegar and Thane. I did feel they definitely had love for us ladies, that they meant well, but that on a few key points they lost the plot. I think all of us would have preferred seeing THANE'S abs, which are human-esque and lean-muscled despite being green... and most of us would've preferred a lot less dialogue about his dead wife and abandoned kid.

It's like Nines says, only in a non-sarcastic way. "Nice effort. Execution needs a little work."

Modifié par Wynne, 06 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[DeathCultArm]

tl;dr....More guys play games, get over it...

[Lucy Glitter]

Hey, KalliChan, I really agree!

Maleshep got this:



We got a romantic kiss... and then fade out. It was really romantic, but... seriously they still cheapened the femsheps. YET AGAIN. 

I love them for giving us three romantic options, but it still felt cheapened. Subject Zero's romance scene was so hot (the paragon one) and romantic and sexy... and and! :[

It's the same as my problem with Sheploo. The femshep should also get a default face that is graphically better than the other faces. BioWare usually give girls equality, this is why I dislike Mass Effect compared to their other games.  

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 06 février 2010 - 03:44 .

[Pyro_Monkey]

Heck I'm a guy and I wouldn;t be opposed to seeing garrus action, I just want to know what Turians looks like under their suits.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Pics please.

[DeathCultArm]

Too bad, it didn't happened. There were an equal number of LI's..people keep complaining regardless.

[Snowraptor]

KalliChan07 wrote...

*Didn't check to see if there were other threads on this yet.  So I apologize if I'm just repeating other user's.*

I rarely discuss my gender in gamer conversations, but this.. is... painful.

First and foremost - I l.o.v.e. this game.  The level up system is nice and smooth.  The shooting / special abilities interface system is seamless.  It's an amazing gaming experience.

Originally I never felt Shepard would be interested in romance considering her/his missions, but after speaking with Garrus... just couldn't help myself.  That being said, I really enjoy how Bioware has handled the scenes and dialogue in this game.  They're few, short, and very very sweet.

Just one problem.  Bioware... you have zero love for us ladies!!!

I played through, and beat the game in 22hrs.  I originally thought I'd go for Thane, but Garrus easily won my heart.  I was so excited to see Garrus get something great for himself; Shepard.  Then I saw the love scene... it was so sweet and I enjoyed it.. but we bumped heads............



*coughs*


BUMPED HEADS?!?!?!

I get he's an alien.. but really?  Tali could've died and she takes her mask off for male shepard, Miranda shows her breasts, and Jack gets some bed action.  Yet you gave Garrus a damn head bump?!  COME ON!!!

The poor guy gets betrayed, his face nearly blown off, and what do I give him?  ...a head bump.

So, I think to myself; "Ok this must be the super sweet love scene."  I go and check out Thane's love scene.  There's some crying and kissing... the end.  Jacob was all about the abs, but 1 out of 3?

Bioware, us lady gamers may be few, but we're still here.  I understand taking off Garrus's outfit wouldn't have worked, but at least you could've had him pick up Shepard and take her to the bed all sweet like. 

/sigh  I still adore Garrus, he's my favorite character by far.  I just hope there's a better love scene with him in ME3, and better female / alien love scenes in general... : /

Tali has a vagina and quarians are allot more similar to humans than any other species in the game, well, maybe tied with hanar... i mean drell, but seriosly, LOOK AT GARRUS, HES A CAT DRAGON, if he even has a dang doodle then im sure it would kill you, just like morinths biotics

[Aynslie]

I was disappointed with the Garrus head bump also. He deserved...WE deserved more than that. I am sold on your Garrus carrying us to the bed! In my mind now that is what we did not some stupid head bump.....

[Tamyn]

I still think Garrus brushes her breast at the very end.

Modifié par Tamyn, 06 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[Majpain007]

KalliChan07 wrote...

*Didn't check to see if there were other threads on this yet.  So I apologize if I'm just repeating other user's.*

I rarely discuss my gender in gamer conversations, but this.. is... painful.

First and foremost - I l.o.v.e. this game.  The level up system is nice and smooth.  The shooting / special abilities interface system is seamless.  It's an amazing gaming experience.

Originally I never felt Shepard would be interested in romance considering her/his missions, but after speaking with Garrus... just couldn't help myself.  That being said, I really enjoy how Bioware has handled the scenes and dialogue in this game.  They're few, short, and very very sweet.

Just one problem.  Bioware... you have zero love for us ladies!!!

I played through, and beat the game in 22hrs.  I originally thought I'd go for Thane, but Garrus easily won my heart.  I was so excited to see Garrus get something great for himself; Shepard.  Then I saw the love scene... it was so sweet and I enjoyed it.. but we bumped heads............



*coughs*


BUMPED HEADS?!?!?!

I get he's an alien.. but really?  Tali could've died and she takes her mask off for male shepard, Miranda shows her breasts, and Jack gets some bed action.  Yet you gave Garrus a damn head bump?!  COME ON!!!

The poor guy gets betrayed, his face nearly blown off, and what do I give him?  ...a head bump.

So, I think to myself; "Ok this must be the super sweet love scene."  I go and check out Thane's love scene.  There's some crying and kissing... the end.  Jacob was all about the abs, but 1 out of 3?

Bioware, us lady gamers may be few, but we're still here.  I understand taking off Garrus's outfit wouldn't have worked, but at least you could've had him pick up Shepard and take her to the bed all sweet like. 

/sigh  I still adore Garrus, he's my favorite character by far.  I just hope there's a better love scene with him in ME3, and better female / alien love scenes in general... : /

Just don't ingest *ahem*

[Deviija]

Nadia73 wrote...

joejoe099 wrote...

the turian face is hardly even in one piece by itself! two flaps cover a large amount of teeth with no iner cheecks or muscle, and considering half of his face is already gone, i think it might be pushng it even more. also, garru's romance convos are mainly him talking but some how "awkward" for him at same time

not two mention only three fingers

Uh... so does Tali.  Garrus has chicken legs... and again, so does Tali.  Do you folks object to a Tali romance, too, then? 

Anyway, I thought the Garrus romance was done well.  Thane had a decent romance for those that enjoyed it.  But compared to the MaleSheps and their lovescenes and flirts?  Yeah, it is obviously stacked in their favor.  There are no male flings for Shepard to have, while DudeSheps can have it their way with Kelly and have some casual sex with Jack.  Not to mention all the boobsuit eyecandy everywhere that the girls wear.  Girls had Thane's slightly exposed chest as compensation?  Nah, it isn't equal. 

I'd rather we just objectify and sexualize everyone equally. 

[MarginalBeast]

I really don't understand how anyone can say that the Garrus romance is too pervy and like a fling, when it actually ends up being the least sexual out of all of them. I thought Garrus' final romance scene was fine. It was really sweet and fit his personality.



Thane fans, on the other hand, were robbed. He's got DAT ZIPPER and it wasn't put to good use. ...Okay, I'm just kidding. Hot zipper action, as nice as it sounds, wouldn't have meshed well with the feeling of his final romance.

[Riot Inducer]

I gotta agree with the OP, as far as content of the love scenes go male sheps just have a lot more. Considering that Tali and Garrus have essentially the same body type it was a bit silly showing so much more with Tali. Thane's ended a bit early too, he's pretty much human just green, it's a bit odd that the only eye candy the girls got was with Jacob where's males have half the crew topless and even had Miranda stripping down in the "love" scene (her romance felt awkwardly shallow, shep just wanted to get in her jumpsuit it seemed)  <_<

But then again Female Shepard has the superior voicework so maybe that's compensation? 

[tmp7704]

Deviija wrote...

I'd rather we just objectify and sexualize everyone equally. 

I'd rather they didn't. Simply because variety is good, too, so it's nice some scenes are made more low-key than the others.

Of course it can suck if the way scene is rendered doesn't match the person's expectations but that can't be helped. If they make objectifying, sexualized scene when the viewer would rather see something more subtle, they'd be upset too.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I'll romance any FemSheps being ignored.



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[Lucy Glitter]

Deviija wrote...
Uh... so does Tali.  Garrus has chicken legs... and again, so does Tali.  Do you folks object to a Tali romance, too, then? 

Anyway, I thought the Garrus romance was done well.  Thane had a decent romance for those that enjoyed it.  But compared to the MaleSheps and their lovescenes and flirts?  Yeah, it is obviously stacked in their favor.  There are no male flings for Shepard to have, while DudeSheps can have it their way with Kelly and have some casual sex with Jack.  Not to mention all the boobsuit eyecandy everywhere that the girls wear.  Girls had Thane's slightly exposed chest as compensation?  Nah, it isn't equal. 

I'd rather we just objectify and sexualize everyone equally. 

Hence why I actually really dislike Mass Effect. It isn't fair.

*crais on Devi's sexy shoulder*

edit: Comic book people are all sexualised and guys don't have a problem with it, so.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 06 février 2010 - 04:56 .

[Lyrandori]

I completely agree with the OP, but it's sadly nothing new, the video games industry is mostly for young males, plain and simple, but the truth is often frustrating, why? Because we live in a world of lies.