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[lyssalu]

MagicianCamille wrote...

Femshep is not a barbie doll. What is with female and cross-gender gamers excepting Femshep to have a huge personality overhaul from male Shepard? She's still a hard-ass soldier with a leader personality. Being female isn't going to make her a damsel in distress.

I've watched all of the romance dialogue and love scenes, they are all on par with each other. Miranda's is actually the most "erotic", but she's so much of a **** if she doesn't flash her breasts by the time it's over you're gonna be pissed.

jacob's is pretty "erotic" too

[Soma Holiday]

I agree totally OP! I didn't romance anyone yet, because I wanted to stay with Kaidan, but even without seeing the love scenes, females have gotten shorted by this game since day 1 of the first installment.



It was such a cop-out that ALL 'FEMALE' aliens, look female. What are the chances of that many alien races developing 2 breasts? I mean really?



Even the male aliens that are shaped like men have weird faces, but no they want to appease the boys. I'm not complaining since I think Garrus and Thane are hot, but the obvious unbalance is just silly.



I agree about a scene with Garrus being sweet, but not a full-out sex scene. That would be great. I mean has everyone listened to Garrus' voice? He is clearly a poet and a romantic, has to be! I'd love for him to carry me to the bed, then I could headbutt him. haha. I felt like the relationship was cheapened anyway in how sudden it was. It felt like a fling from the getgo...so...yeah.



I'll try Thane next and then have a go ar Garrus, because I've wanted him since the first game.



He's interesting and hot, and we both know our way around a sniper rifle, so...*heart*

[seyera]

I agree the options generally aren't good for us girls. Its weird but thats why I stick to playing a maleshep. It just feels more playable that way.

[tmp7704]

Soma Holiday wrote...

It was such a cop-out that ALL 'FEMALE' aliens, look female. What are the chances of that many alien races developing 2 breasts? I mean really?

Who's to say these are actually breasts...

edit: but more seriously ME has hints there might've been some engineering being done by the Protheans to the species of current universe. So two races getting to share some traits with humans isn't that odd. There's more species who look very different, except their female models aren't present in the game. Or maybe their females are simply meant to look very much like the males.

Modifié par tmp7704, 07 février 2010 - 01:21 .

[mrs_anomaly]

KalliChan07 wrote...

EJon wrote...

You wanted more action with a lizard with teeth? Have you seen garrus' face??

Yes I've seen his face and the poor guy deserves some damn action!  Like I said, they didn't have to swap spit, but at least do something more than a silly head bump.

Ex: Him carrying her to the bed and crawling in next beside her, sweet cuddling, hugging... fond petting.. gah anything but a head bump!

As far as Garrus and Bioware doing better than a headbump, I agree. We don't need to see his penis/or penis like attachment necessarily. But hey, his digit/hands look plenty big enough.... LOL

Well, being female as well I agree. I did a Thane romance and I loved his personality and even the way he looked. I just wish there was some more holding etc. And honestly is a chest so hard to construct for lizard fish man? The rest of his body seems pretty similiar and bipedal..he has awesome thighs :]

Jacob was a serious MEH. He wasn't hot like Kaidan, and well I just didn't care for him.  I am never doing the romance with Jacob or Garrus and most of my Sheps will hold out for Kaidan for ME3.

So yeah, they gave us women the shaft, w/out really giving us a satisfying shaft, absolutely.

[spm1138]

I agree. Speaking as a dude, my brorian Garrus should get a more fleshed (scaled?) out romance option in ME3.



If they go to the trouble of doing it for Tali...

[Ziggeh]

While I suppose in itself the choice might constitute the inequality mentioned, the female love interests in ME 2 are (with the except of Jacob, who frankly, is boring enough not for it to matter to the point) alien.

Of the four alien sexual encounters in the series, none have been especially...graphic. In fact the only one they have even approached from a "compatability" point of view was Liara, who's species reproduce without sexual organs (ironically adding weight to Fox's "Virtual Sodomy Simulator" outcry). Tali gets a kiss in before the screen fade and a million dissapointed fans cry out in the unison, but beyond skin touching its all implication.

Now I suppose one could argue that the biology could warrant exploration, but that would leave them hard pressed to tell that story without repetition of either the Asari (who got in first) or the Quarian (who's suit makes her the extreme case). Though I appreciate that for most players that issue would not come up. So to speak.

As a chap who was attached to his ME1 femshep (the femshep voiceover is one of the best in the game. Without being rude to actor, the male shep is not), I empathise with the dissatisfaction, the lack of....conclusion, shall we say. Kelly was spectacular, but not exactly deeply romantic. Samara was adult, powerful and suprisingly subtle, but wow do you feel it when she walks out that door.

[lyssalu]

Soma Holiday wrote...

I agree totally OP! I didn't romance anyone yet, because I wanted to stay with Kaidan, but even without seeing the love scenes, females have gotten shorted by this game since day 1 of the first installment.

It was such a cop-out that ALL 'FEMALE' aliens, look female. What are the chances of that many alien races developing 2 breasts? I mean really?

Even the male aliens that are shaped like men have weird faces, but no they want to appease the boys. I'm not complaining since I think Garrus and Thane are hot, but the obvious unbalance is just silly.

I agree about a scene with Garrus being sweet, but not a full-out sex scene. That would be great. I mean has everyone listened to Garrus' voice? He is clearly a poet and a romantic, has to be! I'd love for him to carry me to the bed, then I could headbutt him. haha. I felt like the relationship was cheapened anyway in how sudden it was. It felt like a fling from the getgo...so...yeah.

I'll try Thane next and then have a go ar Garrus, because I've wanted him since the first game.

He's interesting and hot, and we both know our way around a sniper rifle, so...*heart*

the female aliens we've seen are mammalian and give live birth, so it really doesn't surprise me that they have breasts.

[ReubenLiew]

But it was a totally romantic bro-headbump!

[Savvy30039]

I agree with all your points swirlwind, excellent post.

I was basically expecting the love scenes to play out the way they did in ME1. Intimate discussion where you could be tender or drop some innuendo, then the hardcore making out, followed by the brief nudity, and then the all important afterwords talk. When Thane showed up and started pouring his heart out, I would have liked the option to say more than just asking him to spend the night. Then there was a brief kiss and it was off to fight the collectors. As many have already had said, that zipper was an invitation to so much more.

I liked Jacks's paragon love scene. She was emotional and crying, but that didn't stop Bioware from showing some tender lovin'. Why not with Thane?

One of the characters in NWN2 had a lenthy conversation where she asked you about your past, and responded accordingly. It really made me feel a sort of sisterly affection for the character, and I wish that would pop up in games more often. I wish you could have more conversations in general actually. The total lack of comments Garrus had to offer when I wasn't romancing him was dissapointing, especially since he has some of the best lines in the game.

[Llandaryn]

Soma Holiday wrote...

 He is clearly a poet and a romantic

No no, that's the Krogan, with his "Blue Rose of Illium!" speeches.

[The Gay Warden]

Crazy ranting woman is crazilly ranting... over nothing, I might add...

[KalliChan07]

The Gay Warden wrote...

Crazy ranting woman is crazilly ranting... over nothing, I might add...

Equality isn't 'nothing.'

[mundus66]

All love scenes are pretty dull in this game imo, not just female Shepards.

What does men got? Yeah Miranda is hot, but out of every LI i like her personalty the least. Also that conversation, when she says that she has an altered version of her fathers Y chromosome, is a bit of a turn of, doesn't that technically make her a male? Jack? Ugly crazy and to easy, next. Sure Tali is adorable and the LI character i like the most in any Mass Effect. But her love scene was a bit dull, you could at least have shown her face or have Shepard comment on her face. Also Thane > all imo.

[Society]

KalliChan07 wrote...

*Didn't check to see if there were other threads on this yet.  So I apologize if I'm just repeating other user's.*

I rarely discuss my gender in gamer conversations, but this.. is... painful.

First and foremost - I l.o.v.e. this game.  The level up system is nice and smooth.  The shooting / special abilities interface system is seamless.  It's an amazing gaming experience.

Originally I never felt Shepard would be interested in romance considering her/his missions, but after speaking with Garrus... just couldn't help myself.  That being said, I really enjoy how Bioware has handled the scenes and dialogue in this game.  They're few, short, and very very sweet.

Just one problem.  Bioware... you have zero love for us ladies!!!

I played through, and beat the game in 22hrs.  I originally thought I'd go for Thane, but Garrus easily won my heart.  I was so excited to see Garrus get something great for himself; Shepard.  Then I saw the love scene... it was so sweet and I enjoyed it.. but we bumped heads............



*coughs*


BUMPED HEADS?!?!?!

I get he's an alien.. but really?  Tali could've died and she takes her mask off for male shepard, Miranda shows her breasts, and Jack gets some bed action.  Yet you gave Garrus a damn head bump?!  COME ON!!!

The poor guy gets betrayed, his face nearly blown off, and what do I give him?  ...a head bump.

So, I think to myself; "Ok this must be the super sweet love scene."  I go and check out Thane's love scene.  There's some crying and kissing... the end.  Jacob was all about the abs, but 1 out of 3?

Bioware, us lady gamers may be few, but we're still here.  I understand taking off Garrus's outfit wouldn't have worked, but at least you could've had him pick up Shepard and take her to the bed all sweet like. 

/sigh  I still adore Garrus, he's my favorite character by far.  I just hope there's a better love scene with him in ME3, and better female / alien love scenes in general... : /

They don't show anything for Tali's and for Jack it's just pure hugging and kissing and ... crying. The only "oooh sexy" one is Miranda...

I think Jack's was the best, personally...

[stormrain]

Society wrote...

They don't show anything for Tali's and for Jack it's just pure hugging and kissing and ... crying. The only "oooh sexy" one is Miranda...

I think Jack's was the best, personally...

The ME1 love scene's were both sexy and sweet at the same time. ME2 you got one or the other. Jack and Tali's were just heartwarming (though in different ways), while Miranda's was just sexy. :/

I don't normally play FemSheps, but from what I've seen on youtube, FemShep's LI's are pretty much the same. Jacob's is all about his abs, Garrus gets a headbump, and Thane gets a kiss.
 
And no after-talk for any of them. Bit of a let down when compared to ME1.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 08 février 2010 - 01:01 .

[Championette]

I agree - and because of this I'll probably never get all the achievements. I just can't bring myself to get the paramour achievement with choices like these. I'll be chatting with Chakwas, Samara and Joker while everyone else gets it on before the battle.

[jlb524]

Championette wrote...

I agree - and because of this I'll probably never get all the achievements. I just can't bring myself to get the paramour achievement with choices like these. I'll be chatting with Chakwas, Samara and Joker while everyone else gets it on before the battle.

I kind of wish the Samara 'almost romance' would give you the 'Paramour' acheivement.  Or at least the 'FAILED! Paramour' achievement...

[Dr.Seltsam]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Society wrote...

They don't show anything for Tali's and for Jack it's just pure hugging and kissing and ... crying. The only "oooh sexy" one is Miranda...

I think Jack's was the best, personally...

The ME1 love scene's were both sexy and sweet at the same time. ME2 you got one or the other. Jack and Tali's were just heartwarming (though in different ways), while Miranda's was just sexy. :/

I don't normally play FemSheps, but from what I've seen on youtube, FemShep's LI's are pretty much the same. Jacob's is all about his abs, Garrus gets a headbump, and Thane gets a kiss.
 
And no after-talk for any of them. Bit of a let down when compared to ME1.

Yeah too bad for the fem shepards. I think Tali is the only love interest who has a new line after you beat the game. Or did I miss something?

Modifié par Dr.Seltsam, 08 février 2010 - 02:12 .

[Ahdia]

I agree with the OP.

I didn't romance Garrus. I liked Thanes personality. A little more depth to the love scene would have been nice. Nothing had to be shown, as the OP said, being carried to the bed tenderly or some such and some after talk as well would have been nice.

Mordin did advise it would be complicated (didn't say impossible) but did have some solutions.



I was going to play through again and romance Garrus. :| I'm glad I know about the head bump. At least now I won't be so disappointed when it happens. heh . Head bump :/ Egad.

[Chuvvy]

Wat Garrus was a bromance before he was a romance,and if your a guy you can talk to him twice,and that's it after that he's always calibrating those damn guns.
My face everytime he say so.

[Savvy30039]

Wynne wrote...
KalliChan, don't let anybody fool you into thinking the word "few" describes us. Female gamers are not "few"--if we were, then we wouldn't have had more than one love interest! Women make up over half the pop of the world last I heard, 40% of gamers are female according to the ESA, 5 of the 12 people (roughly 40%) randomly selected to go to London for the Dragon Age event were female, and the female-to-male poll in my signature quickly climbed to 38% female and has been going back and forth between that and 36%.

Mass Effect 2 has already sold OVER TWO MILLION copies. If we just take the two million figure, and we take the average of the male to female poll with the ESA data to make a rough guess between 37 and 38%, then we can estimate that by now, about 800,000 women have played Mass Effect 2.

What? No... the logic here boggles my mind.

First of all, the 40% the ESA reports counts women who play only the Sims and Wii Sports as "gamers". Now I'm not going to even start with the whole casual vs. hardcore argument, but the majority of those women would never even touch a violent sci-fi game like Mass Effect.

Second of all, a poll in the Bioware forums is not representative of the overall video game market. We are the hardcore fans, the ones that not only go online to talk about our favorite games, but to the developer's forums specifically. The vast majority of people who buy this game will not actively participate in these forums. They will play the game, talk about how awesome it is around the water cooler, and then move on to Bioshock 2. And most of them are men.

Look, I'd like to believe that us ladies are making Bioware a load of cash. But the fact that you'd never know you could even play as a woman by
just looking at the marketing or videos indicates that we're not. It's likely that they could completely disregard the female audience (as Obsidian is doing with Alpha Protocol <_<), and still have a hugely successful game without any significant losses. Bioware is inclusive to women because we're a dedicated and vocal part of their fanbase, not because we're profitable, and I love them for that. But tailoring the games to straight men is still the highest priority, not total equality between the sexes.

[KalliChan07]

Slidell505 wrote...

Wat Garrus was a bromance before he was a romance,and if your a guy you can talk to him twice,and that's it after that he's always calibrating those damn guns.
My face everytime he say so.

Lol!! Omgah rolfcopter!  I know how you feel, I felt the same way!  I couldn't even have a conversation with the guy! <_<

[Unit-Alpha]

@OP.



Of course it is; sadly, the average mainstream gamer is male and therefore, the most obvious business decision is to appease the largest group.