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[OldMan91]

Yes, Mordin does mention a few things about giving you a guide to safe sex, positions, erogenous areas, etc.

He seems pretty serious and accepting of what you're going to do.

Oldman, true, but thinking about it. What affect would it have on the child if she was to have one?

I have no idea. My knowledge is limited to punching my nose whenever it gets runny. I have no clue about fictional sci-fi sexual relations with alien species or alien child education.

Modifié par OldMan91, 29 janvier 2010 - 10:51 .

[Ray603]

The only question I asked myself was: Why the heck didn't I see Tali's face? She was my favourite back on old Normandy... now I found out you can "date" Tali... and I thought: Finally I see her face... but sadly no face... still the scene was funny! Tali throwing her mask away and jumping on Shepard.



Aww man...really...maybe Bioware can improve this a bit... pretty please.

[NKato]

Kyero wrote...

Mordin said nothing negative about Tali and Shepard's relationship, he even gives you a book about safe positions and stuff (as a joke i guess) but he doesnt say anything except using meds to boost immune systems and stuff.

That's because Humans aren't as toxic to Quarian biology as a Turian is to a human's.

[NKato]

OldMan91 wrote...

Yes, Mordin does mention a few things about giving you a guide to safe sex, positions, erogenous areas, etc.

He seems pretty serious and accepting of what you're going to do.

That's because Mordin is the ****ing ultimate doctor. He's got ethics I can agree with, he's got knowledge and guidance I can agree with. He's like the middle of the road guy that you can always count on to tell you what's right and what's not right, from an impartial perspective!

Mordin isn't governed by personal beliefs or opinions, only data and facts.

Edit: He's also governed by a strict code of ethics when treating patients or doing experimentation as well, if you've done his loyalty quest, he tells you that he has never done experimentation on live test subjects. Another plus in my book for Mordin Solus, the example of the ideal salarian scientist!

Modifié par NKato, 29 janvier 2010 - 10:53 .

[Kyero]

NKato wrote...

Kyero wrote...

Mordin said nothing negative about Tali and Shepard's relationship, he even gives you a book about safe positions and stuff (as a joke i guess) but he doesnt say anything except using meds to boost immune systems and stuff.

That's because Humans aren't as toxic to Quarian biology as a Turian is to a human's.

well I thought you were saying its the same for human and Quarian.

[Paraxial]

Litos456 wrote...

Nah she won't die.
Besides, he could have just pulled out.

[OldMan91]

That's because Mordin is the ****ing ultimate doctor. He's got ethics I can agree with, he's got knowledge and guidance I can agree with. He's like the middle of the road guy that you can always count on to tell you what's right and what's not right, from an impartial perspective!

In terms of profession, he's great.



In terms of morality... he's the "ends justify the means" type of salarian.

[NKato]

Kyero wrote...

NKato wrote...

Kyero wrote...

Mordin said nothing negative about Tali and Shepard's relationship, he even gives you a book about safe positions and stuff (as a joke i guess) but he doesnt say anything except using meds to boost immune systems and stuff.

That's because Humans aren't as toxic to Quarian biology as a Turian is to a human's.

well I thought you were saying its the same for human and Quarian.

Basically, Quarians have a different biology, sure, but they are more compatible with Humans than a Turian would ever be compatible with a Human (again, Turians have toxic fluids that can cause shock in a human's system). The Quarians just have reactions in their biology when exposed to environmental factors that can influence their short term and long term health. If it's a serious exposure, it can kill them. If it's a minor exposure, they'll live. The Quarian commando, for example, had a puncture in his suit but was still able to fight, and had a minor health complication but was able to recover at the Fleet.

So a full-body contact like sex with Shepard would be less likely to be a threat, since Tali would be able to take a shower afterward and sanitize herself to be safe, and then hop into her hardsuit.

Speaking of which, I wonder in ME3 if I could convince Mordin to come up with a way to help evolve the Quarians' immune systems so they could get out of their suits...assuming Mordin doesn't die from old age, he already looks old for his people. (Salarians live up to 40 years)

[marshalleck]

NKato wrote...

Speaking of which, I wonder in ME3 if I could convince Mordin to come up with a way to help evolve the Quarians' immune systems so they could get out of their suits...assuming Mordin doesn't die from old age, he already looks old for his people. (Salarians live up to 40 years)

Not that I expect Bioware to write this in, but it is a little strange that the freaking genophage can be both modified and cured but a little immune-system boosting is apparently beyond the reach of Mass Effect science?  Huh.

That or it's just like Tali and kal'Rambo have said...pop some anti-biotics and all they'll get is a slight fever and some sniffles.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 janvier 2010 - 11:02 .

[NKato]

OldMan91 wrote...

That's because Mordin is the ****ing ultimate doctor. He's got ethics I can agree with, he's got knowledge and guidance I can agree with. He's like the middle of the road guy that you can always count on to tell you what's right and what's not right, from an impartial perspective!

In terms of profession, he's great.

In terms of morality... he's the "ends justify the means" type of salarian.

You have to remember, he personally oversaw the countless simulations that were run, to test for EVERY possible outcome of the Krogan population if the genophage was introduce (or not introduced). He was very adamant that he was very thorough with his work on the research, and because of his capacity in his profession, I am inclined to agree with some parts of his ethics.

Personally, I could have stopped Mordin from offing his assistant, but I let him blow his brains out - but at the same time, I convinced Mordin to save the research data. That way, in the future if the Krogan population ever suffers a major blow, Mordin could swoop in to save the day. (Mordin is very, VERY adamant about maintaining a STABLE population.)

Edit: Now that I think about it, Mordin is a lot like me. And I'm a lot like him, when it comes to dealing with problems that we encounter. We analyze it from as many possible perspectives, angles, probabilities, outcomes, end results, and determine the ideal action based on the resultant data from the analysis.

I really like that salarian.

Modifié par NKato, 29 janvier 2010 - 11:02 .

[MikeFL25]

Wow, thanks for keeping this topic alive everyone....although in a much more heated debate than I anticipated.

I just finished the game and Tali's romance. I have to say that Tali and Liara are now tied in first place at my "biggest video game crush" list. Tali is just so sweet and kind and genuine, like Liara (well, ME1 Liara).

And yes, Quarians don't get the same illnesses that humans might. What Tali and other Quarians are susceptible to is just foreign germs in general. Its like what happened when the English came over to colonize America. They brought germs that the native American's immune systems had never encountered before, and as a result, it overwhelmed them.

So while Tali might not catch the flu if Shep or someone on the Normandy had it, she would have an allergic reaction to any airbourne or other germ/bacteria. Still, her antibiotics and other medicinal treatments she talked about are able to protect her pretty well for short periods of time.

I really hope Tali's romance is fleshed out in ME3 along with Liara and Ashley/Kaiden.  Also, I didn't see her romance as a bad thing.  She wants it to happen because she loves Shepard.  She is prepared to make it work.  If anything, that made me like her even more.

Modifié par MikeFL25, 29 janvier 2010 - 11:02 .

[Crackseed]

marshalleck wrote...

Not that I expect Bioware to write this in, but it is a little strange that the freaking genophage can be both modified and cured but a little immune-system boosting is apparently beyond the reach of Mass Effect science?  Huh.

That or it's just like Tali and kal'Rambo have said...pop some anti-biotics and all they'll get is a slight fever and some sniffles.

To me this is explained due to the varying biology. Krogan biology might be easier to break down/experiment on versus Quarians. I mean they hint on this when talking about the plague in Omega and why it doesn't affect humans or why the Collectors want humans, etc. The various ins and outs of each racial biology could dictate how easy it is to experiment with it or not.

[NKato]

marshalleck wrote...

NKato wrote...

Speaking of which, I wonder in ME3 if I could convince Mordin to come up with a way to help evolve the Quarians' immune systems so they could get out of their suits...assuming Mordin doesn't die from old age, he already looks old for his people. (Salarians live up to 40 years)

Not that I expect Bioware to write this in, but it is a little strange that the freaking genophage can be both modified and cured but a little immune-system boosting is apparently beyond the reach of Mass Effect science?  Huh.

That or it's just like Tali and kal'Rambo have said...pop some anti-biotics and all they'll get is a slight fever and some sniffles.

Or antibiotics in the Mass Effect universe has evolved far beyond the kind of antibiotics we have today, effectively being "smart antibiotics" that can completely eradicate an intrusion into the immune system without severely impacting the patient.

[OldMan91]

You have to remember, he personally oversaw the countless simulations that were run, to test for EVERY possible outcome of the Krogan population if the genophage was introduce (or not introduced). He was very adamant that he was very thorough with his work on the research, and because of his capacity in his profession, I am inclined to agree with some parts of his ethics.

Oh, i'm not saying I don't agree with Mordin's decision to "stabilize" the Krogan population. I do think though that relying on simulations and computer data isn't really a good way to decide on such an ethical issue of this dimension.

[marshalleck]

OldMan91 wrote...

You have to remember, he personally oversaw the countless simulations that were run, to test for EVERY possible outcome of the Krogan population if the genophage was introduce (or not introduced). He was very adamant that he was very thorough with his work on the research, and because of his capacity in his profession, I am inclined to agree with some parts of his ethics.

Oh, i'm not saying I don't agree with Mordin's decision to "stabilize" the Krogan population. I do think though that relying on simulations and computer data isn't really a good way to decide on such an ethical issue of this dimension.

It wasn't just simulations and computer data though. They had biologists, mathematicians, sociologists etc. to cover the full spectrum of the ethical debate, to approach the question from every angle.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .

[KainrycKarr]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Yeah, I'm sure she won't mind the fevers, chills, and general miserableness of being really sick for a couple of days just to please you once a week - I bet it'll make her really productive at work, too. Everyone shoots better when they are running a fever, I'm sure the military is working on a way to perma-sick our soldiers right now. >,>

Dude, the story line of the romance is her finding ways around getting being sick. It comes down to immuno boosters and whatnot to prevent it. She. Does. Not. Get. Sick.

Also, I doubt Tali will leave in ME3. She's actually fairly happy if she gets exiled.

[NKato]

crackseed wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Not that I expect Bioware to write this in, but it is a little strange that the freaking genophage can be both modified and cured but a little immune-system boosting is apparently beyond the reach of Mass Effect science?  Huh.

That or it's just like Tali and kal'Rambo have said...pop some anti-biotics and all they'll get is a slight fever and some sniffles.

To me this is explained due to the varying biology. Krogan biology might be easier to break down/experiment on versus Quarians. I mean they hint on this when talking about the plague in Omega and why it doesn't affect humans or why the Collectors want humans, etc. The various ins and outs of each racial biology could dictate how easy it is to experiment with it or not.

I think I figured out the Collectors' and the Reapers' mindset thanks to your note.

The Collectors gather specimens of the best biological lifeform in the Galaxy on behalf of the Reapers to experiment with for creating new Reapers. This explains why the Collectors gave tech samples in exchange for certain kinds of specimens like "pure Quarians", or "left handed salarians". They were analyzing the species for the best results.

Well, they came across the Human race, Sovereign got his ass kicked by Shepard, and they realized that the best species was Human. After that, the Collectors went full-bore with colony abductions. Which explains why they completely ignored a Quarian at the first colony in ME2.

It also explains the appearance of the regular Reapers and the Collectors, they are both based on the Protheans. The Reapers that originally eradicated the Protheans were likely ANOTHER superior species that had existed prior to the Protheans' rise to the pinnacle of the galaxy before getting knocked off. If you guys think carefully about this, you can see just how vicious this cycle really is. 

The Reaper-Collector Connection and Their Cycle
Reapers hide in Dark Space while the Collectors, based on "previous species generation" does "research and development" on the new species that have populated the Galaxy. They research them until they find an ideal species in sufficient population quantity and traits, and then develop a Reaper prototype based on that new superior species. They then test that Reaper prototype - if it works out (which it usually does), they signal the Citadel to shut down the Mass Relays and launch a full-scale invasion of the galaxy, eradicating the inferior species and capturing all of the superior species as resources for creating new Reapers. During the construction phase of the new Reapers, they use the genetic data of the superior species to create a new "generation" of Collectors. The former generation of Collectors and Reapers is then purged or repurposed. Once the galaxy-wide genocide of the superior species is complete, the Reapers retreat to dark space, leaving ONE of their own behind as a vanguard (like Sovereign), and delegating the new generation of Collectors to their task, under the control of Harbinger. And thus the cycle begins anew.

And then we encounter the human-reaper embryo in the Collector base at the endgame.

Can anyone see where this is going? The Reapers are now obsessed with the human race, and all signs point to an obvious conclusion in Mass Effect 3.

[Corben158]

She does get a lil sick, if you talk to get after the last mission she says she has a mild fever, her nose is all clogged up, but then says, but it was all worth it

[NKato]

marshalleck wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

You have to remember, he personally oversaw the countless simulations that were run, to test for EVERY possible outcome of the Krogan population if the genophage was introduce (or not introduced). He was very adamant that he was very thorough with his work on the research, and because of his capacity in his profession, I am inclined to agree with some parts of his ethics.

Oh, i'm not saying I don't agree with Mordin's decision to "stabilize" the Krogan population. I do think though that relying on simulations and computer data isn't really a good way to decide on such an ethical issue of this dimension.

It wasn't just simulations and computer data though. They had biologists, mathematicians, sociologists etc. to cover the full spectrum of the ethical debate, to approach the question from every angle.

That, too! Mordin most likely was the project lead who had picked those people, since he was personally chosen from so many potential operatives by the Illusive Man to be contacted by Shepard. Remember, when you're dealing with something of a massive scale like the Krogan, you'd had damn well better take every possible step to reduce the ethical blowback, or eliminate it entirely. This is why I have a special place in my heart for Mordin Solus and the STG responsible for the Genophage. They were very serious about protecting the Krogans - both from themselves and the galaxy.

Edit: Call me a bosh'tet, I think the writers behind the Mass Effect universe are among the best. They have been very thoughtful about how they crafted the story and the characters. They too, earn a special place in my book. 

Modifié par NKato, 29 janvier 2010 - 11:19 .

[KainrycKarr]

Corben158 wrote...

She does get a lil sick, if you talk to get after the last mission she says she has a mild fever, her nose is all clogged up, but then says, but it was all worth it

I mean like, deathly ill, as some in this thread seem to think is inevitable. lol

And for the quarian in the bar...I severely doubt that particular quarian is half as competent as Tali and a super-scientist like Mordin.

[marshalleck]

Yeah, it's pretty much as I predicted before the game came out. What's so special about humans is that something about our genetic diversity makes us ideal for the process of turning us into husks and more Reapers.

So yeah, we're more "special" than every other contemporary species. But special in a very bad way.

Edit: now that I think of it...remember Saren insisting that some could survive the Reaper invasion?

Huh. How about that.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 janvier 2010 - 11:21 .

[NKato]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Corben158 wrote...

She does get a lil sick, if you talk to get after the last mission she says she has a mild fever, her nose is all clogged up, but then says, but it was all worth it

I mean like, deathly ill, as some in this thread seem to think is inevitable. lol

And for the quarian in the bar...I severely doubt that particular quarian is half as competent as Tali and a super-scientist like Mordin.

I was thinking the same. Letting herself get hit on by a Turian? Even though Quarians are different from Humans, the idea of Quarian-Turian sex is questionable at best. What if said fluids from Turian that can cause anaphalytic shock to a human, could have a guaranteed fatal reaction with a Quarian?

Of course, that could be wrong, since Quarians and Turians have had more contact with each other over the long term, than they did with Humans.

[Crackseed]

Like. Special in that we get put on the great experiment bus of doom Why always the poor humans. xD

[Promethean 47]

ITS A GAME, ONLY A GAME, STOP TALKING ABOUT DISEASES.

[NKato]

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, it's pretty much as I predicted before the game came out. What's so special about humans is that something about our genetic diversity makes us ideal for the process of turning us into husks and more Reapers.

So yeah, we're more "special" than every other contemporary species. But special in a very bad way.

It's exactly as Mordin Solus said on the Krogan homeworld when he was tracking down his apprentice when they came across that human corpse. Humans are genetically diverse, and are ideal testbeds for testing. This also makes them a superior platform for "repurposing", much like what the Reapers and the Collectors were doing with the colony abductions. And at the same time, exactly why they focused on the Protheans.

Why do you think there have been no mention of any other ancient species apart from the Protheans? Because the Protheans were THE dominant species during that cycle, and it was very easy to eradicate information on the subordinate species when the Reapers swept the galaxy. It wasn't as easy to eradicate the information about the Protheans, indicated by the survival of their beacons at excavation sites across the Galaxy.