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[Demx]

Is it me, or does it seem with every companion that joins your quest Alistar has some kind of issue with it. What do you think?

[melkathi]

I think Wynne is the only one he doesn't have an issue with.

[AnniLau]

I think he's been very sheltered and isn't as practical as the PC tends to be, but also has a point most of the time.



However, if you refuse Leliana the first time, when she asks again later, he's fairly enthusiastic about her joining your party.

[Addai]

He tries to convince you to take Leliana, at least if you refuse her at first. No issue with Oghren.



I think his issue is with companions who might end up killing one or both of you, i.e. Shale and Zevran, and though he voices his templar instincts with Morrigan you get no approval loss for taking her along.

[melkathi]

Addai67 wrote...

He tries to convince you to take Leliana, at least if you refuse her at first. No issue with Oghren.

I think his issue is with companions who might end up killing one or both of you, i.e. Shale and Zevran, and though he voices his templar instincts with Morrigan you get no approval loss for taking her along.

They could not ad approval loss at Morrigan or Oghren joining, as the game forces those onto you.

And though he might not loose approval when Leli joins, his remark still is "More crazy? I thought we were all full" or soemthing like that.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Zevran and Shale are the only objections. He isn't bothered by Sten, Wynne, Ogrhen, or leliana, really.



With the exception of Leliana, everyone objects to Zevran, and only Oghren seems to approve of Shale.

[AnniLau]

melkathi wrote...

And though he might not loose approval when Leli joins, his remark still is "More crazy? I thought we were all full" or soemthing like that.

If you tell her no in the tavern, you run into her again on the way out of Lothering. At that point, he wants her to join and (potentially) delivers one of his funniest lines of the game.

Modifié par AnniLau, 29 janvier 2010 - 04:21 .

[Thiefy]

huh wouldnt this title be more appropiate for morrigan?

[melkathi]

AnniLau wrote...


If you tell her no in the tavern, you run into her again on the way out of Lothering. At that point, he wants her to join and (potentially) delivers one of his funniest lines of the game.

I'll definitly try that in my next playthrough!

[Demx]

I never tried to refuse Leliana, I'll try that next time. As for Wynne and Oghren I can't recall Alistair saying anything about them when they joined. However, talking to Alistair in camp he seems not to like Oghren because of his drinking habits

As for Morrigan not wanting people to join, I barely had her in the party while recruiting party members.

Modifié par Siradix, 29 janvier 2010 - 04:32 .

[Thiefy]

Siradix wrote...

I never tried to refuse Leliana, I'll try that next time. As for Wynne and Oghren I can't recall Alistair saying anything about them when they joined. However, talking to Alistair in camp he seems not to like Oghren because of his drinking habits

As for Morrigan not wanting people to join, I barely had her in the party while recruiting party members.

that and whenever you try to do anything 'friendly', even if it serves a purpose, she complains.

funny how nobody makes a "morrigan is a whiner" thread like the alistair ones

[PunkNouveau13]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Siradix wrote...

I never tried to refuse Leliana, I'll try that next time. As for Wynne and Oghren I can't recall Alistair saying anything about them when they joined. However, talking to Alistair in camp he seems not to like Oghren because of his drinking habits

As for Morrigan not wanting people to join, I barely had her in the party while recruiting party members.

that and whenever you try to do anything 'friendly', even if it serves a purpose, she complains.

funny how nobody makes a "morrigan is a whiner" thread like the alistair ones

She does seem to openly object to anything good. Like when you break up the arguement between the merchant and the Chantry sister. "So are we going to fix all these squables. Oh but the darkspawn will be pleased" Sometimes I get tired of her constant complaining.

[Sandtigress]

If you want the line for Leliana, tell Alistair that she's "One archdemon short of a Blight" - the line that follows is hilarious!



And yes, Alistair only objects to those party members he sees as potentially dangerous i.e. the assassin who just tried to kill you or the big stone golem who apparently did kill its former master. I think he's just being protective and cautious, not that he doesn't want you to make friends.

[Demx]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Siradix wrote...

I never tried to refuse Leliana, I'll try that next time. As for Wynne and Oghren I can't recall Alistair saying anything about them when they joined. However, talking to Alistair in camp he seems not to like Oghren because of his drinking habits

As for Morrigan not wanting people to join, I barely had her in the party while recruiting party members.

that and whenever you try to do anything 'friendly', even if it serves a purpose, she complains.

funny how nobody makes a "morrigan is a whiner" thread like the alistair ones

I like Alistair and always act buddy-buddy with him, even when I promted with the choice to harden him. I think more people just expect Morrigan to hate any good deed and when it comes up it doesn't phase them.

Sandtigress wrote...

If you want the line for Leliana,
tell Alistair that she's "One archdemon short of a Blight" - the line
that follows is hilarious!

And yes, Alistair only objects to
those party members he sees as potentially dangerous i.e. the assassin
who just tried to kill you or the big stone golem who apparently did
kill its former master. I think he's just being protective and
cautious, not that he doesn't want you to make friends.

lol I thought that line would have drove her off.

Isn't the majority of your party potentially dangerous?

Modifié par Siradix, 29 janvier 2010 - 05:18 .

[Sialater]

Nah, he's jealous of Oghren's drinking habits.

[Demx]

Sialater wrote...

Nah, he's jealous of Oghren's drinking habits.

lol Is that true?

I would love to see his rebuttal if you are able to point out how he is envious of Oghren.

[Selene Moonsong]

Although Morrigan complains a bit about Wynn joining the party, there's no loss of influence with her if Wynn does join the party. Alistair is just protective at times and points out those who could pose a danger. I like having Morrigan in the party with the others because she is such a great focus for derisive banter between the NPCs.



The annimosity adds quite a bit of flavor to the dialogue at times.



I don't mind losing a few points of influence, those lost points are usually made up easily, even without gifts. Contention in the ranks is well worth the minor loss of influence with any of the companions.

[7th_Phoenix]

It's not that Alistair doesn't want you to make friends, he's just playing it safe and slightly disapproves if Zevran or Shale join because of the higher potential of danger from them. And approval is easily reattained and not lost forever.



As far as Oghren's drinking goes, Alistair does admit in one point of the game he wishes he could be drunk all the time and how it's not fair.

[ejoslin]

7th_Phoenix wrote...

It's not that Alistair doesn't want you to make friends, he's just playing it safe and slightly disapproves if Zevran or Shale join because of the higher potential of danger from them. And approval is easily reattained and not lost forever.

As far as Oghren's drinking goes, Alistair does admit in one point of the game he wishes he could be drunk all the time and how it's not fair.

Alistair can more than slightly disapprove of Zevran.  Try telling him to shut up and follow directions.  And approval has its limits.  I have a game that I haven't finished that had Alistair at -100.  I don't think I'll even get him up to neutral in it.  I should play it through just to see if certain persuade checks work if extremely low approval.

[Demx]

ejoslin wrote...

7th_Phoenix wrote...

It's not that Alistair doesn't want you to make friends, he's just playing it safe and slightly disapproves if Zevran or Shale join because of the higher potential of danger from them. And approval is easily reattained and not lost forever.

As far as Oghren's drinking goes, Alistair does admit in one point of the game he wishes he could be drunk all the time and how it's not fair.

Alistair can more than slightly disapprove of Zevran.  Try telling him to shut up and follow directions.  And approval has its limits.  I have a game that I haven't finished that had Alistair at -100.  I don't think I'll even get him up to neutral in it.  I should play it through just to see if certain persuade checks work if extremely low approval.

Are there multiple gifts of the same item? If so, perhaps the dulplcation glitch could save him.

[goofygoff]

It's all starting to make sense now.



The real reason he storms off in a huff if you spare Loghain? He's a threat to Alistair's status as the PC's Grey Warden BFF.

[Sialater]

Siradix wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Nah, he's jealous of Oghren's drinking habits.

lol Is that true?

I would love to see his rebuttal if you are able to point out how he is envious of Oghren.

There's a conversation they have where Ogrhen's wasted and still upright and fighting well and Alistair comments on it.  Alistair finishes the conversation by saying, "Why can't I be the one to fight drunk?"

[Demx]

XD GWBFF ftw!



lol It has to be that; you are able to convince him to let everyone else join your group, but as soon as one of them is a Grey Warden out he goes. The blight is insignificant when your BFF status is at stake.

[goofygoff]

GWBFFs - serious business! >.>

[Melca36]

Sandtigress wrote...

If you want the line for Leliana, tell Alistair that she's "One archdemon short of a Blight" - the line that follows is hilarious!

And yes, Alistair only objects to those party members he sees as potentially dangerous i.e. the assassin who just tried to kill you or the big stone golem who apparently did kill its former master. I think he's just being protective and cautious, not that he doesn't want you to make friends.

There is a way to get Zevran without losing approval if I recall.