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[sinosleep]

With charge's quick recharge it'd be extremely over powered. Charge in, kill, charge out, NEVER take damage.

[Majpain007]

That means your using it wrong.

[AtreiyaN7]

Pease practice and get better at the class and using the ability, or please switch to another class. There's nothing wrong with Charge if you know what you're doing. People seem to have already given some advice on what to do, so I'm not going to bother. I will say that I finished the game as a Vanguard and saved the entire crew (plus all team members) on normal. Charge was an enjoyable skill, and I'll probably do Vanguard a couple of more times on higher difficulties for the challenge. Ranting because you just can't get the hang of using Charge is counterproductive. You could be asking for help nicely too instead of, well, ranting (as you can see, doing so only results in flaming/ridicule).

[BaneofHumanity172]

Charge + shotgun + flame rounds = pretty deadly



Though I do admit the inability to target some enemies is annoying and sometimes it casts but doesnt actually cast.



All in all its not the best power Ive seen so far, but its a must for the shotgun users imo.

[Odd Hermit]

Charge is fun but they didn't develop the Vanguard well enough to survive in melee range, and shotguns suck which seem to be what they wanted Vanguards to use. I'd sooner use my sniper rifle in melee range than the shotgun.
A Barrier type ability also should have come standard with the class.

The game is very unfriendly to melee at later levels which is why I chose the sniper rifle when I got to choose a new weapon.

[sinosleep]

Shotguns are fine at all levels. You can 2 shot anything that's not a krogan or elite.

[Anew614]

Vanguard+Charge works if used the right way BUT I find it not fun to play with, so I just play with

Soldier,Infiltrator or Sentinel which is more fun to play with and more flexable in combat.



I just hope bioware balances it to be more fun to play with I really like the vanguard class.

[Guaritor]

Eh, ive found charge a good way to keep shields up on insanity... also fun to play chicken with mechs.

[AK118]

it sucks much less than the level 1 tactical cloak, and gets better much faster.

[sos986]

although i do not agree with OP, i have to say i could bring the reporter in armed with her camera at normal difficulty, and at veteran as long as you have a character that comes with a pistol you should be able to idiot through it



don't give advice until you get to hardcore ya'll look dumb.

[StealthyVlad]

Charge is useless on Insanity. You can rarely melee kill anyone, if there are more than two people you will be dead in an instant. You have to first take down any armor/shields/barriers before a shotgun will help in close range, and by then you should be able to kill them in a few shots.

[sinosleep]

BS.

I shotgun and melee plenty of people to death on insanity, also charge plenty.



disclaimer : Yeah, I pause aim biotics/tech cause I don't see why not (have to pauseto mouse click anyway, they aren't skill based since it's not location based damage, 9/10 it's squadie biotics/tech so why should I have to screw up my weapon aim just to have them use their powers on someone other than whoever I'm shooting) never pause aim weapons.

Modifié par sinosleep, 04 février 2010 - 06:57 .

[clifffeh]

I love charge. Coupled with my krogan style shotgun i bring down the house. Just use it more tactfully. I usually charge to someone who is near some cover. If they aren't going to die in 1 charge and a shot in the face i dont jump the gun.

[Coughee Brotha]

I also constantly charge on insanity. I really dont know how people are saying this. Granted I do charge less than I did on normal difficulties but never useless. cOme one people. Im not that great of a gamer eitehr. I usually charge 1-2 people (on insanity) and sometimes 3. maybe a little more if I know there is decent cover near by. And nothing is useless if it instantly recharges your shields in tough situation. Maybe vanguard isnt just some people playstyles. But charge has saved me more times then I remember

[XyA_DeathKnight]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Pease practice and get better at the class and using the ability, or please switch to another class.
...
You could be asking for help nicely too instead of, well, ranting (as you can see, doing so only results in flaming/ridicule).

Let's get something straight here (for the 3rd time). I didn't post this thread because I suck, need help with the game, or wanted tons of different ways to use charge.

I am chewing through hardcore, with a Vanguard, with great ease. I have used Charge in nearly every way conceivable... though not because it is a multifaceted ability, but rather because I have been trying, in vain, to find an application of Charge where it is actually worth being in the game.

Guess what? I have yet to find such an application. In every situation, EVERY ONE, there is a different ability that is better suited to solving the difficulty at hand. Here, I'll give you some examples:

Shield depleted and about to die? Don't use Charge to MAYBE get to a safe location, just use Barrier to protect you, instantly, from everything.

Melee enemies massing on you? Don't use Charge to MAYBE get to safety, or to MAYBE stun them and pray you can kill them all in time... just use Shockwave to deal with them all at once.

Down to the last enemy in a fight? Why even mess with Charge in this situation... when it will likely just charge you past some item of interest and you will either miss it or have to go back and get it? Just spare the two trigger pulls from Any Weapon to deal with the last guy effectively.

Fire coming in from multiple enemies in all directions? Charge will probably outright kill you! Use Cryo Ammo to freeze enemies and deal with them at your leisure, or use Inferno Ammo to cut through their defenses even quicker...

You get the point. Charge is just, IMHO, a worthless ability. I want to use it, so I keep finding ways... and dying from it.

I expected better implementation from a highly advertised, primary, offensive ability, period. Stop making this thread about how to use it and start discussing how Charge was designed, constructed, and implemented. That was the point of the original post.

-DK

[sos986]

haha charge tactfully. your one of those shot gun surgeons arn't you?

[sinosleep]

XyA_DeathKnight, run out of cover, run towards an enemy, don't take cover again until you have that enemy at shotgun range, kill him.

Now just charge him instead.

That's what it does better. If you aren't a fan of shotguns or melee, then you aren't going to like charge because that is pretty much it's entire purpose other than the occasional I'm going to conserve some ammo and charge someone off of a cliff or charge into someone who is already lifted to send them into outerspace. You knew that before you bought the game. Get over it.

Sure, I could pistol snipe with EVERY class or use a sniper rifle with others, but guess what, that gets BORING. Vanguard is pretty much the only class bar maybe soldiers that can make any real use of the shotgun at all. Charge makes that infinitely easier, that's good enough for me. If you want to get into these stupid arguments about how for everything you want to do there's something else better then I would suggest you need to only play infiltrators or soldiers and nothing else. They are by far the best snipers in the game and sniping is the safest and quickest way to kill anything in game. So by your logic, all other classes shouldn't ever be used.

Modifié par sinosleep, 04 février 2010 - 09:01 .

[Kronner]

If you fail to see the tactical advantage Charge gives you then you are a lost case and you should not play as a Vanguard.

[Jackal904]

tommythetomcat wrote...

^ This.

[kelsjet]

sinosleep wrote...

BS.

I shotgun and melee plenty of people to death on insanity, also charge plenty.



disclaimer : Yeah, I pause aim biotics/tech cause I don't see why not (have to pauseto mouse click anyway, they aren't skill based since it's not location based damage, 9/10 it's squadie biotics/tech so why should I have to screw up my weapon aim just to have them use their powers on someone other than whoever I'm shooting) never pause aim weapons.

To be fair, you weren't really doing much in that gameplay video.

You pretty much spent 90% of the fight hiding while your team took the enemy out. You charged like a total of maybe 3 times. Once or twice at an already almost dead opponent (after your team took out all his friends), once at an opponent where your charge failed to cross the cover (even you were like "wtf?!") and the last time or so you charged and almost got instapwned and had to scramble to cover and sit out while your team took out the bad guys.

As far as the shotgun is concerned, same deal. You used it only a few times with very minimal effect. Most of the times you used it the enemy was already dead/incapacitated and only need like 1 pistol bullet to kill. (hence making your shotgun somewhat superfluous at that point). Most of the other times you spent fiddling with switching weapons while hiding since, as you mentioned, the enemy was "too far for shotgun".

Given all this, I don't think your video actually presents a good case to counter what most of the other people in this thread have aggreed to, that being, that on insanity, unless you are playing a Soldier, Infiltrator and maybe Sentinel, you are pretty much useless in the game.

You should go see some gameplay footage of Soldiers on Insane, and you will see what playing the game actually means.

[sinosleep]

You are full of ****, I use the shotgun on practically every thing, and if you aren't blind you'll see that my charges never send anyone flying. You know why that is, cause they still have defenses up, as in, they aren't 1/2 way dead. And what pray tell did I kill all 3 guys with when that charge failed to clear? Oh wait, the shotgun. And the only help I got from the squad was ONE warp on ONE guy out of those three.

I can sit here and go kill for kill with you through the vid but since you are just making **** up why bother?

Modifié par sinosleep, 04 février 2010 - 09:20 .

[kelsjet]

sinosleep wrote...

You are full of ****, I use the shotgun on practically every thing, and if you aren't blind you'll see that my charges never send anyone flying. You know why that is, cause they still have defenses up, as in, they aren't 1/2 way dead. And what pray tell did I kill all 3 guys with when that charge failed to clear? Oh wait, the shotgun. And the only help I got from the squad was ONE warp on ONE guy out of those three.

I can sit here and go kill for kill with you through the vid but since you are just making **** up why bother?

*shrugs* 
I'm just telling it how it is man.
If you wanna believe you were doing something special in that video with your shotgun weilding, biotic charging vanguard, then please go ahead, no one will stop you.

The fact though (and I think anyone who watches your video and compares it to other Insane level videos out there as well as their own experiences will say the same thing) is that in reality you weren't really doing much that fight (by you I mean your character, you were still telling your team to warp/pull).
The reality is that you didn't really use charge that much, your shotgun was pretty much useless for most mobs, and the only time you got to use your Vanguard powers was when the enemy was almost dead anyway.

Take it how you will, but your nerdrage doesn't change facts.


quick edit: I actually just went and watched one of your other videos and I guess it makes sense since you were making videos called "Never run out of ammo" so I guess that's why you don't do anything in your movies except hide behind cover and let your squad kill everything in the room.
Never doing anything + hiding for the whole fight = automatic infinite ammo I guess.
Oh well.

Modifié par kelsjet, 04 février 2010 - 09:32 .

[sinosleep]

1. Miranda uses warp dude still has armror Jacob shoots once, no more armor he casts pull, I shotgun he dies.
2. Guy at full health armor, I charge, shotgun once melee he dies
3. Miranda uses warp on a guy no more armor, Jacob pulls, they kill him
4. I run around corner, dude has full health and armor, shot gun melee dead
5. Miranda uses warp, dude still has armor I charge, shotgun dead
6. I take cover after kill that guy, next guy comes around, full armor and health 2 shotgun blasts kill him
7. Miranda uses warp, Jacob pulls guy dies
8. Miranda uses warp, guy too far for shotgun, next to buddies including krogan and pyro charge would be stupid. Switch to pistol I kill him.
9. Pyro shows up, I use pistol to get half armor, Miranda uses warp, Jacob uses pull I finish with the pistol
10. Krogan shows up, Miranda uses warp, Jacob and I using shotguns, unless you're blind you can see I CLEARLY do far more damage with mine than he with his. Jacob pulls, I charge, finish with shotgun
11. Miranda uses warp, I switch to pistol, finish target off cause I'd still be charging right into a group
12. Krogan, Miranda uses warp, Jacob shoots shotgun once, I fire off 3 straight rounds, Jacob pulls, I shotgun to death
13. Miranda uses warp, I charge the FIRST GUY IN VID to not have defenses and send him flying. Somehow he survives the shotgun blast, have Jacob pull him when he tries to set me on ire.
14. Miranda uses warp, lose track of guy
15. Charge fully armored guy, somehow he winds up on top of cover and behind me and since it was level 3 charge with no slomo I couldn't track him so I had to take cover.
16. Jacob uses pull on the guy I lost track of earlier
17. Charge guy with armor, shotgun him, he dies
18. Guy next to him still alive, Miranda uses warp I shotgun him to death
19. Some guy with no defense, use pull/warp explosion then charge him SECOND guy in whole vid to get charged with no defenses.
20. Charge sets me up right in front of another guy, fully armored two shotgun blasts he dies.
21. Video ends with a Miranda warping one guy, I got through door charge at one and for some reason charge didn't go through cover. I proceed to shotgun the two guys next to that cover one at full health/armor the other warped. Then charge the last guy and shotgun/melee him to death.

Here you go genius, an actual breakdown of what ACTUALLY happens in the vid. I swear you guys are ****ing priceless.

p.s. Why WOULDN'T I use warp/pull. That's the whole reason you have a squad, in a squad based game, to USE THEM.
p.p.s I also NEVER implied that it's at all special. If you've ever read anything I've posted here I've always come from the position that its EASY to do. Don't use charge when it would be stupid to use it and it won't get you killed. Don't use the shotgun from 100 meters away and actually make use of squad powers and you won't run out of ammo. Those aren't l33t positions to take, those are common sense positions to take.

Modifié par sinosleep, 04 février 2010 - 10:19 .

[Acero Azul]

The power is fine i just wish they gave you more ammo for the shotgun