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[Thompson family]

Badpie wrote...

Thompson family wrote...
Frankly, I never liked Ashley but people I respect do. I'll let them defend her.

I guess that's my cue. 

Yep. You're welcome.

[Cypher0020]

O_O



Damn. I'm going back to Illum and doing that hacking mission after all. Liara's my femshep's LI.





Also.... Liara physically saw Shepard's body? His/her cold dead body?

[ratzerman]

DK_DOOM wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

You people are killing me. Is this what the next two years are going to be like?

She's not cold. She's not a *****.

You're missing the end of her quest when she breaks down, and admits everything to you. Ask her where her anger is coming from, and why she didn't tell you earlier. You'll see.

I'm pretty sure that's only if you romanced her in the first game. I did her quest and did not get so much as a slight explanation and was kind of disappointed since her character change seemed drastic from the first game. =/

Can anybody confirm or deny this? Does she only admit not being able to "let you go" to those who romanced her? 

[Thompson family]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Also.... Liara physically saw Shepard's body? His/her cold dead body?

I don't know that for a fact. All I know for sure is that she moved heaven and earth to find it. How could she know she got the real article if she never looked at it?

Modifié par Thompson family, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:24 .

[Badpie]

ratzerman wrote...

DK_DOOM wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

You people are killing me. Is this what the next two years are going to be like?

She's not cold. She's not a *****.

You're missing the end of her quest when she breaks down, and admits everything to you. Ask her where her anger is coming from, and why she didn't tell you earlier. You'll see.

I'm pretty sure that's only if you romanced her in the first game. I did her quest and did not get so much as a slight explanation and was kind of disappointed since her character change seemed drastic from the first game. =/

Can anybody confirm or deny this? Does she only admit not being able to "let you go" to those who romanced her? 

I'll let you know tonight after I do her assignments.  But the friendly, warm hug she gave me did not go unnoticed.  I'm hoping the "I couldn't let you go" dialogue is strictly for the romance Sheps, but it will be nice if she explains everything to me anyway.

[ratzerman]

Badpie wrote...

I'll let you know tonight after I do her assignments.  But the friendly, warm hug she gave me did not go unnoticed.  I'm hoping the "I couldn't let you go" dialogue is strictly for the romance Sheps, but it will be nice if she explains everything to me anyway.

You know..... I'd almost rather have the hug.  The kiss is very awkward.  Shep tries to prolong it, but she stops you.  I thought maybe it was because I had Miranda in my squad at the time.  But I guess she still shuts you down regardless of who you bring with you. 

Modifié par ratzerman, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:26 .

[Homebound]

ratzerman wrote...

You people are killing me. Is this what the next two years are going to be like?

She's not cold. She's not a *****.

You're missing the end of her quest when she breaks down, and admits everything to you. Ask her where her anger is coming from, and why she didn't tell you earlier. You'll see.

She never did that with my playthrough....Did I miss something?

[Corti78]

ratzerman wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I'll let you know tonight after I do her assignments.  But the friendly, warm hug she gave me did not go unnoticed.  I'm hoping the "I couldn't let you go" dialogue is strictly for the romance Sheps, but it will be nice if she explains everything to me anyway.

You know..... I'd almost rather have the hug.  The kiss is very awkward.  Shep tries to prolong it, but she stops you.  I thought maybe it was because I had Miranda in my squad at the time.  But I guess she still shuts you down regardless of who you bring with you. 

Yeah she shuts you out there regardless. I brought Garrus and Tali with me hoping for some additional dialogue between the 4 of us but she completely ignored them.

[Thompson family]

Just_mike wrote...

She never did that with my playthrough....Did I miss something?

Just about everybody, including me, did.

You go back for the second quest she has for you, finish it, and get a one-time only chance to say just the right thing.

When she tells you she's going to blast somebody so that what's left of his body will fit i a "coffee cup," you have to ask where all that anger is coming from. Miss it on the first try and you don't get it back.

[DarchAngelDavid]

Thompson family wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Yes.  It's called good storytelling. 

I respectfully disagree. A lot of people weren't expecting these kinds of reactions, especially considering how Tali, Garrus, Joker, and Doctor Chakwas treat you. Even with them, the initial meetings with Tali and Garrus are emotionally barren. "Hi there, long time no see, was dead for a while, now better, lets spill some merc blood!".

What Ash and Kaidan get is almost insulting, a cameo comparable to that of some NPC like Shiala or Helena Blake. And Liara is frankly acting as if possessed. You can supposedly reach the "real" Liara, by lucking out the correct convo option, but only a few people seem to have found it, considering the amount of posts about the "cold Liara" of ME2.

Why did the devs go out of their way to make the ME1 love interest so cold and unappealing?

Huge SPOILER WARNING. I know they are allowed, but some folks still want to know how to talk to Liari and see for themselves.

Mox Ruuga. that’s a fair question. This is an attempt to answer it, not some sort of challenge:

Liara assumed massive debt, risked life and limb, had a friend and ally captured and probably tortured and killed all to recover your dead body. She then turned it over to your enemies, Cerberus, in the longshot hope they could bring you back to life. She's afraid you woke up and found yourself their captive and now hate her for that. She also has no idea what they did to you once they revived you. Consider Cerberus' past history. Finally, remember the destruction of the Normandy: The last time she saw you, you were ordering her to leave you behind. The survivor’s guilt is the big trunk in a whole load of emotional baggage this woman’s carrying.

On top of all that — assuming she believes it’s really you, not some imitation Cerberus made after burning your corpse — what do you do when you’re basically an intelligence operative and somebody from Cerberus walks through your door, asking questions? Even if it is really you, how does coming back from the dead change a man? Can she even get the image of your cold corpse out of her mind when she looks at you?


Frankly, I never liked Ashley but people I respect do. I'll let them defend her.

Man you went deep and hit the nail right on the head.  Liara's love for Shepard far surpasses that of any other.  Even if she was not your LI from the first game she was the one on the ship that would not leave you.  You had to make her leave.  She was the only one fighting and killing to get your body back and making a deal with the devil to save you.  And now she is the one trying to avenge what happened to you at the hands of the Shadow Broker.  I dont care what anyone says this woman is in love and very very hurt.  She loved you so much she couldnt accept you dieing.  That is just deep on so many levels.  Before you get down on a character you need to dig a little deeper see the clues and get under the surface.

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
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Is there a method to Bioware's madness here?

It's pretty obvious to me, they want to give you the option to NOT feel guilty about bedding Miranda or Tali....the best way to do that is to make your ME1 LI give you the cold shoulder (Visa versa for FemShep with Jacob or Thane).  I suspect how you handle all of this will somehow have ripple effect in ME3 as well.

Per above...good storytelling.

Modifié par Br0th3rGr1mm, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:37 .

[Seiaya]

Thompson family wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Also.... Liara physically saw Shepard's body? His/her cold dead body?

I don't know that for a fact. All I know for sure is that she moved heaven and earth to find it. How could she know she got the real article if she never looked at it?

Yes Liara revealed that she was the one responsible for finding and retrieving your corpse, then taking it to Cerberus in the hopes of reviving you. As for being able to identify your corpse, keep in mind if you melded with her, she probably "knows" you on a deep level, your soul and body even after death. When you first met her at Illium, she gots close to you to find out if it's really you through touch. And even if you didn't have a relationship with her, she still performed a "strictly professional meld" with you to investigate your dream (twice if I remember correctly).

[ratzerman]

Corti78 wrote...

Yeah she shuts you out there regardless. I brought Garrus and Tali with me hoping for some additional dialogue between the 4 of us but she completely ignored them.

I understand why she shuts you down in the scene.... it fits with her trying to (initially) keep Shep at a distance.  But trying to pull off a scene like that with body language alone is tough, and I don't think it completely succeeds.  A hug, or another kiss at the end of her scenes, would've been wonderful.  But I guess those of us who want to remain loyal are destined to suffer in a purgatory of uncertainty for another two years. 

Say what you will abuot Bioware, but they sure know how to reward loyalty.

[izmirtheastarach]

Who is Laria? Am I missing something?

[Thompson family]

Thanks for those kind words, DarchAngelDavid.



Got a very serious question here too: If your LI was Ashley, is she the one you have to order into the escape pod when the Normandy I goes down, or is it always Liara in that scene?

[izmirtheastarach]

Thompson family wrote...

Thanks for those kind words, DarchAngelDavid.

Got a very serious question here too: If your LI was Ashley, is she the one you have to order into the escape pod when the Normandy I goes down, or is it always Liara in that scene?

It is Ashley.

[Corti78]

Thompson family wrote...

Thanks for those kind words, DarchAngelDavid.

Got a very serious question here too: If your LI was Ashley, is she the one you have to order into the escape pod when the Normandy I goes down, or is it always Liara in that scene?

It's whoever your LI is. I tried someone else's save that had romanced Kaidan and he was the one running around the ship.

[Thompson family]

Thanks for the quick replies.



izmirtheastarach, we're talking about Liari T'Soni, the Asari love interest from the first game. She's on Illyrim in ME2.

[izmirtheastarach]

Thompson family wrote...

Thanks for the quick replies.

izmirtheastarach, we're talking about Liari T'Soni, the Asari love interest from the first game. She's on Illyrim in ME2.

Yes, I was making a jab at the fact that the title post says "laria". And it's Illium.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:54 .

[ratzerman]

Thompson family wrote...

izmirtheastarach, we're talking about Liari T'Soni, the Asari love interest from the first game. She's on Illyrim in ME2.

He's just being a smarta** because Liara's name is misspelled in the thread title.

[Thompson family]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Thanks for the quick replies.

izmirtheastarach, we're talking about Liari T'Soni, the Asari love interest from the first game. She's on Illyrim in ME2.

Yes, I was making a jab at the fact that the title post says "laria". And it's Illium.

Ah. I should have known. Sorry for my cluelessness. I'm new to this forum.

[izmirtheastarach]

Thompson family wrote...

Ah. I should have known. Sorry for my cluelessness. I'm new to this forum.

And as you said, once you do both her quests, the whole thing fleshes out nicely. I enjoyed the encounter. She kissed me when I got there, and told me how she just couldn't let me go.

And she is doing important work. The Shadow Broker tried to sell Shep to the Collector's. Whoever he is, he needs to go down hard.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:54 .

[Yakko77]

Well written Thompson family.

[Championette]

@Thompson family and others - thank you. I suspected this was the storyline and I'm glad to know it can be played out. I'm not even to Ilium yet so now I"m prepared.

[Schneidend]

Shepard was cold, too, for two years, being DEAD.