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[GreyWolf83]

Hrm...I'd have thought that the threat of 'media backfire' would be all the more reason for them to spice the game up a bit. ESBR already slapped an 'M' rating on the game, so they may as well go for it. After all, sex sells, and so does controversy to a certain extent. It might get a lot more folks to buy the game, 'just to see what all the fuss is about', thus boosting their sales.



Anyway...in the words of Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion. I could be wrong."

[Prolefeed]

In ME3, Joker comes out as gay and is solely a maleShep romance option. Bioware is not including any m/m relationships up until then in order to build anticipation for the EXTREME AWESOME.

. . . . Just a guess.

Modifié par Prolefeed, 03 février 2010 - 11:18 .

[Homebound]

Some of the characters in the game are simply NOT gay. Why cant people accept that about them?

[Naltair]

Everyone is gay you just don't know it yet.

[DaeJi]

Just_mike wrote...

Some of the characters in the game are simply NOT gay. Why cant people accept that about them?

The thing, they are gay and just having trouble admitting it. You watch Mordin and try to tell me he isn't eyeing Shepard up and down for more than "medical" reasons. 

[tangofish]

Perhaps the fault lies in Shepard being a bit too much of your standard fictional U.S. marine? I can't help but wonder whether there would be ramifications of tacitly implying it's ok to be gay in the military.

[Crimson Shame]

I always just figured that someone had decided that it would be bad marketing to include a M/M gay relationship choice.

[Cutlass Jack]

What two F/F romances were in ME2? Kelly doesn't really count as a full one, and you're just dinner for Morinth.



I was really surprised Jack wasn't a F/F option, especially since she does mention having done that sort of thing in the past.

[SunfighterG8]

Prolefeed wrote...

In ME3, Joker comes out as gay and is solely a maleShep romance option. Bioware is not including any m/m relationships up until then in order to build anticipation for the EXTREME AWESOME.

. . . . Just a guess.

No way would that happen, youd break his hip.

[Jimbe2693]

I think its funny how people don't mind F/F but M/M relationships are totally forbidden



I'm straight but I wouldn't mind my shep having a romance with Kaidan

[drhys23]

i think there was something scripted in me1 for m/m. saw it on youtube here



at first it seems like it's a mod, but the shep says kaiden..

and then it goes all tranny... o_o <<<confused.

[Cutlass Jack]

Jimbe2693 wrote...

I think its funny how people don't mind F/F but M/M relationships are totally forbidden

I'm straight but I wouldn't mind my shep having a romance with Kaidan

I'm already convinced Kaidan might lean that way. It would explain why he won't commit in the Femshep romance, and also explain why Anderson keeps a photo of him on his desk...

[drhys23]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

I think its funny how people don't mind F/F but M/M relationships are totally forbidden

I'm straight but I wouldn't mind my shep having a romance with Kaidan

I'm already convinced Kaidan might lean that way. It would explain why he won't commit in the Femshep romance, and also explain why Anderson keeps a photo of him on his desk...

yeah i never got why he got so cagey around my maleshep just wanting to know what's up.

[ERJAK2]

Kyandid wrote...

In advance, sorry for opening another thread about this. But I am a straight guy, and I'm really scratching my head about this one.

No homosexuality in KotOR was a-okay. It was a different time back then, and going through with something like that would've stepped on a ton of people's toes. It doesn't make it quite right, but 100% understandable why Bioware wouldn't go that route. Sure, after a male and a female, I felt Carth was a douche compared to Bastila, but I can forgive them for the inequality.

I was totally fine with Mass Effect 1's F/F scene because, for the most part, it was nonsexual enough to get by, and unique enough to not quite constitute homosexuality. Plus, for what it was worth, no-one in Mass Effect 1 was remotely likable. After three playthroughs, I really found myself internally detesting Captain-Shoots-My-Best-Teammate-Because-Her-Grandpa-Was-Embarassed Williams, Holy-****-I-Can't-Stop-Whining Alenko, or Boring-Representation-Of-An-Interesting-Species T'soni. Sure, I was secretly crossing my fingers that I'd get to do the dirty with Tali (P.S. : THANK YOU BIOWARE ) but what the hell, right?

In Dragon Age : Origins, they seemed to have gone all the way with a variety of romances, likable characters - the game wasn't quite as enjoyable for me as KotOR or ME, but I think the character development and complex morality system, combined with the interpersonal relationships made it stand out as the best social-encapsulation I've seen in a video game.

But Mass Effect 2 is just... weird. Liara's back for a 'lesbian' relationship or a heterosexual one, not a problem. There's some **** on the ship who tells me she wants to lick Garrus' wounds. Uhm, okay. She's a human. She's also bisexual. So now you have a purely sexual relationship open to females and males. But... the gays get nothing?

I mean, on one hand I can empathize with the 'eww gross, i don't want to draw two males doing it' element - but when you look at most of the sexual scenes in the game, they're actually pretty tame. (You don't even see Tali's face, ffs, and Garrus and Femshep just kind of touch foreheads). I guess I can also empathize with the voice actors - MAYBE - but then again, they did get two females to romance falling in love with someone else of the same gender, I don't see why they couldn't just copy+paste all of the dialogue and replace all the gender-specific pronouns just for a passable (if boring) M/M scene.

In conclusion, yeah. I'm a straight guy, I'm happy with Tali, and I don't really have any intention to play a gay character in all seriousness. (I'm also a liberal, which is why I made this topic, as I believe it is my god-given right to get offended about every single thing) but I'm still really scritching my head about this one. I can't think of a single reason why Bioware would (figuratively) shaft the gay community while putting in another lesbian relationship, ESPECIALLY when they had a gay relationship available in their last game.

Please shed some light on this, if you can, and please don't let this turn into another awful flamewar-****storm.

Trust me, there is NO f/f in ME2. No matter how much I want there to be.

[Policyofnoreturn]

Kyandid wrote...

In advance, sorry for opening another thread about this. But I am a straight guy, and I'm really scratching my head about this one.

No homosexuality in KotOR was a-okay. It was a different time back then, and going through with something like that would've stepped on a ton of people's toes. It doesn't make it quite right, but 100% understandable why Bioware wouldn't go that route. Sure, after a male and a female, I felt Carth was a douche compared to Bastila, but I can forgive them for the inequality.

I was totally fine with Mass Effect 1's F/F scene because, for the most part, it was nonsexual enough to get by, and unique enough to not quite constitute homosexuality. Plus, for what it was worth, no-one in Mass Effect 1 was remotely likable. After three playthroughs, I really found myself internally detesting Captain-Shoots-My-Best-Teammate-Because-Her-Grandpa-Was-Embarassed Williams, Holy-****-I-Can't-Stop-Whining Alenko, or Boring-Representation-Of-An-Interesting-Species T'soni. Sure, I was secretly crossing my fingers that I'd get to do the dirty with Tali (P.S. : THANK YOU BIOWARE ) but what the hell, right?

In Dragon Age : Origins, they seemed to have gone all the way with a variety of romances, likable characters - the game wasn't quite as enjoyable for me as KotOR or ME, but I think the character development and complex morality system, combined with the interpersonal relationships made it stand out as the best social-encapsulation I've seen in a video game.

But Mass Effect 2 is just... weird. Liara's back for a 'lesbian' relationship or a heterosexual one, not a problem. There's some **** on the ship who tells me she wants to lick Garrus' wounds. Uhm, okay. She's a human. She's also bisexual. So now you have a purely sexual relationship open to females and males. But... the gays get nothing?

I mean, on one hand I can empathize with the 'eww gross, i don't want to draw two males doing it' element - but when you look at most of the sexual scenes in the game, they're actually pretty tame. (You don't even see Tali's face, ffs, and Garrus and Femshep just kind of touch foreheads). I guess I can also empathize with the voice actors - MAYBE - but then again, they did get two females to romance falling in love with someone else of the same gender, I don't see why they couldn't just copy+paste all of the dialogue and replace all the gender-specific pronouns just for a passable (if boring) M/M scene.

In conclusion, yeah. I'm a straight guy, I'm happy with Tali, and I don't really have any intention to play a gay character in all seriousness. (I'm also a liberal, which is why I made this topic, as I believe it is my god-given right to get offended about every single thing) but I'm still really scritching my head about this one. I can't think of a single reason why Bioware would (figuratively) shaft the gay community while putting in another lesbian relationship, ESPECIALLY when they had a gay relationship available in their last game.

Please shed some light on this, if you can, and please don't let this turn into another awful flamewar-****storm.

Well, the f/f romance options in ME2 are practically non-existent: the only option is nothing more than a "tease" and not a relationship. But I agree with you that the omission of an m/m romance option is intriguing.

Modifié par Policyofnoreturn, 04 février 2010 - 12:56 .

[Quintus Sigismund]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Jacob: Used to be interested in Miranda (wouldn't work)
Garrus: Had a wife (still wouldnt work)
Mordin: If you listen to the bachelor party for the Salarian, sexual encounters are purely for breeding
Thane: Had a wife, still has a kid
Zheed: doesnt really talk to you :-(

There is something called Bisexuality. Hell, they did that with DA:O. People forget that the 'gay elf' wasn't gay at all, he was bisexual. Actually, the romance in Dragon Age was smart. Two straight characters and two bisexual characters, so that way everyone could get their M/F, F/F, and M/M.

I'm not sure what Bioware had in mind, but it seems when you have a high male ratio in video games, straight men like their women and lesbian action. Of course, there is also a population of gay males and straight females who enjoy M/M, but clearly there is a double standard.

Is it a big deal? Not entirely in the grand scheme of things, but all Bioware had to do was change around the dialogue so they could just fit any gender in the sequence so everyone could get what they want.

Remember people, it's not about the 'sex scene' at the end, it's about the character development and how it ties into the overall experience. Not really angry, perhaps just a little disappointed.

And Garrus had a wife? I must have missed something.

[MatronAdena]

kelly has scale itch.....don't fall for her pretty sweet personality...some poor vorsha did once, and we see how that ends up >.>

[Valcutio]

Ya, it's so weird that they have all these straight people in the millitary. Weird.



Oh wait, it's normal.

[Monglor]

I chalk it up to homosexuality, in the male sense (because let's face it, hot lesbians are hot) is something of a rage-generating issue. Dragon Age was always a more adult game than Mass Effect 2, so they could deal with it. In a game that makes no bones about depicting adult themes and content sure, roll all those issues in, for games that just want to get made and do their thing, then best to avoid the heat. It's enough that Mass Effect 2 is the best game ever made, it doesn't have to right society's wrongs as well.

I don't think it's a big deal to be honest. I mean you can play Shepard gay if you want, but if that happens then he just happens to be the only gay guy on the ship.

[Brahlis]

Why should they go throught he trouble of representing a genetic mutation?

[Haasth]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

I think its funny how people don't mind F/F but M/M relationships are totally forbidden

I'm straight but I wouldn't mind my shep having a romance with Kaidan

I'm already convinced Kaidan might lean that way. It would explain why he won't commit in the Femshep romance, and also explain why Anderson keeps a photo of him on his desk...

He does run around in that pink Phoenix armor at the start... and the tone in his voice kind of made me wonder... Then dying made me forget all about it and all was well again. Then I romanced Tali. Good times. 

[Quintus Sigismund]

Brahlis wrote...

Why should they go throught he trouble of representing a genetic mutation?

Well, the point is that ME2 already does with F/F relationships, so why not just finish what they started?

And fail troll is fail.

[drhys23]

Haasth wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

I think its funny how people don't mind F/F but M/M relationships are totally forbidden

I'm straight but I wouldn't mind my shep having a romance with Kaidan

I'm already convinced Kaidan might lean that way. It would explain why he won't commit in the Femshep romance, and also explain why Anderson keeps a photo of him on his desk...

He does run around in that pink Phoenix armor at the start... and the tone in his voice kind of made me wonder... Then dying made me forget all about it and all was well again. Then I romanced Tali. Good times. 

yeah, at least his helmet was butch. 

[Brahlis]

Quintus Sigismund wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Why should they go throught he trouble of representing a genetic mutation?

Well, the point is that ME2 already does with F/F relationships, so why not just finish what they started?

And fail troll is fail.

I'm not trolling you idiot.

What is the F/F, Liara and Shep?

Asari are ALL females and can reproduce with anyone of any gender. That doesn't even count.

[Lethys1]

You can't just say "it would have been great with kaidan or alistair" because those guys aren't gay. you need to have a character who is bisexual or gay to actually romance a male, just as the females u can romance are bisexual.