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[Quintus Sigismund]

Brahlis wrote...

Quintus Sigismund wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Why should they go throught he trouble of representing a genetic mutation?

Well, the point is that ME2 already does with F/F relationships, so why not just finish what they started?

And fail troll is fail.

I'm not trolling you idiot.

What is the F/F, Liara and Shep?

Asari are ALL females and can reproduce with anyone of any gender. That doesn't even count.

To me, quoting it like you said seemed like you were just out to insult someone. But you were probably were anyway if you're so quick to call someone an idiot too. But besides the point, just the whole Asari argument is just a bunch of crap so Bioware can cover their asses.

Yes they can reproduce with anyone and scientific explaination aside: They have ******. They have a vag. Still F/F to the people who chose to do it.

[Brahlis]

In the context of the game it's not lesbian. That's the entire point. Why in the hell should they go out of their way to make something to appease a small group of people? That's a horrible waste of time and resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

There's no reason to have same-sex romances. None at all. In fact it will just do more harm than good as retarded news stations like Faux News will pick it up and run with it. It hasn't been in 1 or 2 so there's no point in going in and changing character dynamics (assuming they don't add new squad mates) to have it.

[Direwolf0294]

If they do add a M/M I would rather the LI be gay then bi.

[wilde-shade]

ME definitely needs a little M/M. A F/F seduction subplot being mandatory (If you wanted all your characters to survive.) really rubbed me the wrong way - and I'm a girl who appreciates both sexes. I usually love Bioware for how fair they are with their games, but when I'm forced into a F/F situation and there isn't even optional M/M?



C'mon!



I demand Joker now. Bioware, give my maleShep Seth Green, and we'll call it even.

[Lucy Glitter]

Stereotype here is:



Shooter crowd = homophobic. BioWare chickened out.

[drhys23]

Jack Anvil wrote...

Well, it has to make sense in the narrative, and with characters. In the first Mass Effect, there is no girl-on-girl. Asari are not female, as has been said a million times; they are asexual. It's like having sex with a blow-up doll--as female as it may appear, it's still an inflated piece of plastic. Also, Kelly Chambers is a secretary with a huge amount of respect for Shepard, willing to do anything for attention, and to please him/her. The Monica Lewinsky of Mass Effect, if you will.

Jacob: Not Gay

Kaiden: Somehow, Not Gay.

Thane: Not Gay

Garrus: Definitely Not Gay

You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity. And before you say, "We can still use a gay male squad mate," think about it: most gay guys are effeminate. I can't see Richard Simmons taking out a Reaper. So unless it is one of those butch gay dudes who looks like Michael Clarke Duncan, I don't see it.

guess you've never seen the beasts that richard simmons has to work with. i'd take a reaper trying to harvest me anyday.

[drhys23]

also, gay guys are like totally buff where i live, or at least as buff as shep.

[wilde-shade]

Jack Anvil wrote...


Joker isn't gay, he's a techno-filiac. If you insist, you can have Conrad Verner--he's already in love with Commander Shepard, male or female.

Oh, you shush. I have given Bioware my terms.

On a slightly related note, there was no excuse for denying maleSheps Thane. I was having flashbacks to following DA Origins pre-release stuffs and playing a very easy game of spot-the-bisexual.

[drhys23]

i think even if thane was bisexual, his flashback moments creeped me out too much. i think the thing i hate about having a li in these games is having to fix people in order for them to love your character.

[Kilmiina]

I'm no insider, but if EA/BioWare felt the extra cost associated with producing, voicing, animating and testing content for a possible homosexual Shepard would be made up in sales, I'm pretty sure that it would've happened.

[Fredgtrer]

we need more f/f

[Brahlis]

We don't need F/F. We can't have F/F and not M/M, and I'd personally just rather have neither. Just leave them both out, it adds nothing to the game.

[Akiada]

MrVincent wrote...

I'm scratching my head over why this is one of the biggest issues with the game...

I think Bioware is just being careful, the already were falsely accused of putting full frontal nudity in a game. The last thing they need is Fox saying

"Here's a story, video games encouraging your kids to be homosexuals"

Tried that with DA:O, they did!

It didn't pan out. At all.

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Prolefeed wrote...

In ME3, Joker comes out as gay and is solely a maleShep romance option. Bioware is not including any m/m relationships up until then in order to build anticipation for the EXTREME AWESOME.

. . . . Just a guess.

Joker will be too busy attempting to build a more ...interactive man-machine interface to do EDI/The Normandy.

Brahlis wrote...

Why should they go throught he trouble of representing a genetic mutation?

Ignoring the issue over whether or not being gay is genetic, as well as the fact that all changes to the human genetic code (and, indeed, all life as we know it) are the result of mutation (and thus the fact that you can have a Shepard who's got X hair/eye color, Y facial features, etc. are all representing mutations), ME does make a genetic mutation a rather prominent feature.

Biotics are natural only in Asari - any Biotic!Shep is a possessed of a genetic mutation. And even if he isn't, multiple crew members are.

Jack Anvil wrote...

You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity. And before you say, "We can still use a gay male squad mate," think about it: most gay guys are effeminate. I can't see Richard Simmons taking out a Reaper. So unless it is one of those butch gay dudes who looks like Michael Clarke Duncan, I don't see it.

Uh, no. Most gay males aren't effeminate. The effeminate sorts are simply much more vocal and visible. Afterall, you'd be hard-pressed to realize the average gay man was gay without getting to know them. 

[Abirn]

I want to see it, I'm not gay, but I really really hate the idea that they are bending to the will of fox "news" when fox "news" doesn't even know wth they are talking about.

[BeastMTL]

What I find interesting , is if they're worried about impact on sales or lack of demand/interest why not simply make a DLC for it and see if it sells well or not. Much much less risky than including it directly in the game and a good way to determine market worth.



C'mon Bioware, I dare you to!

[Martinder]

BeastMTL wrote...

What I find interesting , is if they're worried about impact on sales or lack of demand/interest why not simply make a DLC for it and see if it sells well or not. Much much less risky than including it directly in the game and a good way to determine market worth.

C'mon Bioware, I dare you to!

If Bioware is worried about a m/m relationship affecting sales, I agree that a DLC package is Bioware's safest option. Players interested in homosexual relationships have the option to seek them out; while players who have no interest in such a relationship can simply ignore it. No one is forced into anything (not like LI's are forced anyways), and no one gets left behind.

[Gemini1179]

I'm with the OP on this one. I'm a happily married heterosexual male, and I purchased DAO simply because I had seen a commercial about a week before release that had BioWare attached to it. I had no other knowledge going into it and I can say that I was incredibly surprised at the open-mindedness of the game to sell itself as something for everyone and ACUTALLY be something for everyone. ME2 loses a bit of the claim that it is "completely customizable to your playstyle" if it doesn't include same sex romance. It's saying that while the default Shepard is a Male Soldier, you can play as a female/male in any of these awesome classes, but your sexual preference must be straight or lesbian.



I suspect pressure from somewhere. It's a double standard to say that the game plays how you want, but we want Shepard to be straight or dabble in lesbianism, cause 95% of women are bi, right? *rolling eyes*

[Ninniach Lina]

IMHO, I believe it was the fact that they are selling it to a 'FPS' community also, not just a RPG one.

Not to discriminate against FPSers, but all the people I know who think FPS are the best are homophobic, failing their classes, and generally hate anything that's not pure mindless shooting. The fact that Bioware managed to sell to them, and hopefully got them to play and read story is amazing, as almost every FPS player I have met online or IRL would be like 'OMG STP TALKING SO I SHOOT STUPID" However, lesbian romances are considered 'Awesome'

Modifié par Ninniach Lina, 04 février 2010 - 04:01 .

[Gemini1179]

Ninniach Lina wrote...

IMHO, I believe it was the fact that they are selling it to a 'FPS' community also, not just a RPG one.

Not to discriminate against FPSers, but all the people I know who think FPS are the best are homophobic, failing their classes, and generally hate anything that's not pure mindless shooting. The fact that Bioware managed to sell to them, and hopefully got them to play and read story is amazing, as almost every FPS player I have met online or IRL would be like 'OMG STP TALKING SO I SHOOT STUPID" However, lesbian romances are considered 'Awesome'

Yeah, but the whole point is that you're not pushed into ANY relationship, so why should it matter? It's completely up to the player. If that is their reason it's pretty weak.

*EDIT*
I just thought of something in BioWare's defense. I guess since Miranda is composed of mostly male DNA, then that romance could be called... ?

Modifié par Gemini1179, 04 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[Valcutio]

Ya, I don't think half the people who use the term homophobic actually understand what it means. Gay characters have only been used in video games for shock value - nothing more. Also, Liara isn't gay - she's an Asari who's able to reproduce with male or female mates.

[Collider]

Some of the dialogue options with Thane seemed to suggest a romance, if male. I didn't choose it, but I'm thinking maybe Thane is an option for males? Specifically, the "maybe both" when talking to kelly and asking Thane if he is "lonely." Then again I think we would know by now.

[TLK Spires]

technically, gender has no meaning amongst asari, so that one is asexual/female.



as for kelly, that's technically not a 'romance'.

[casedawgz]

I think some of it comes down to the way ME is structured compared with DAO. Having no pc voiceover in DAO makes it a lot easier. I love Meer as a voice actor but I can't really hear a believable gay romance coming out of his mouth.