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[Xilizhra]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The thing is that it doesnt matter who you are, watching 2 lesbians getting it on is always more awesome than watching 2 dudes butt ****ing each other. THAT is why there are no m/m relations in Mass Effect.

This is probably the dumbest thing ever said on this forum. I'm actually somewhat in awe.

Sorry, its the truth. If you read the whole post you would realize I really dont have a problem with M/M.

Then let me explain. Your statement completely ignores gay men, straight women (and you've clearly never seen a hint of yaoi fandom, which is rather astonishing unless you're completely new to the Internet) and probably a decent percentage of bisexuals. These people do, in fact, exist.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Shepard is in the military. He can't be gay because if he is than he'd be kicked out because of "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

[AdmiralCheez]

I don't see why Shepard can't bone another man. I mean, hell, he's boned everything else.

[Eromenos]

Randy_Mac wrote...

Did someone really have to bring this thread back from the grave?

This topic has been beaten to death. Bioware writes the story. They may have a reason for a lack of male homosexual encounters in their ME games. I know for a fact that the devs have said that the canon male Shepard is not homosexual. If it bothers you that much, then don't play Mass Effect.

Then explain why they bothered to make Commander Jane Shepard? Which morality does the canon Shepard lean to anyway? Why do those choices get to play a part, but not M/M?

[Aurica]

Brahlis wrote...

Quintus Sigismund wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Why should they go throught he trouble of representing a genetic mutation?

Well, the point is that ME2 already does with F/F relationships, so why not just finish what they started?

And fail troll is fail.

I'm not trolling you idiot.

What is the F/F, Liara and Shep?

Asari are ALL females and can reproduce with anyone of any gender. That doesn't even count.

What if....
Asari are ALL males and can reproduce with anyone of any gender.   Incoming backlash from sensationalistic media, prudes, homophobes, intolerant religious fundamentalist etc etc

[Inquisitor Recon]

Shepard doesn't roll that way.

[Aurica]

Jack Anvil wrote...
You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity. And before you say, "We can still use a gay male squad mate," think about it: most gay guys are effeminate. I can't see Richard Simmons taking out a Reaper. So unless it is one of those butch gay dudes who looks like Michael Clarke Duncan, I don't see it.

That screams ignorance on so many levels.  I've got alot of GLBT & straight friends.  A lot of the gays that I know aren't even effeminate.  Some of them are so macho that it makes even straight men look ball-less.  Some are your average joe.  My point is they all come in different size, shape & demeanor.

Modifié par Aurica, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[Infinite Legend_]

My manly Shep only does manly men that's why I nominate Wrex.

[Eromenos]

Randy_Mac wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Randy_Mac wrote...

Did someone really have to bring this thread back from the grave?

This topic has been beaten to death. Bioware writes the story. They may have a reason for a lack of male homosexual encounters in their ME games. I know for a fact that the devs have said that the canon male Shepard is not homosexual. If it bothers you that much, then don't play Mass Effect.

Then explain why they bothered to make Commander Jane Shepard? Which morality does the canon Shepard lean to anyway? Why do those choices get to play a part, but not M/M?

Like I said, Bioware writes the story. not me. They probably have a reason.

But I'm asking you...you're lending credit to the idea that their canon Shepard out of all the potential variables is somehow a baseline for standards. If you won't question their motives for using selective exclusion, I still can call for them to explain themselves. Their silence and alternate evasiveness so far explain nothing. Why shouldn't I read between the lines?

http://www.destructo...-2-170051.phtml

LGBT/queer/gay community is a dirty thing for them to even address. The party line they've been offering is a ploy to gamble for universal appeal, but that doesn't even hold up when it continues to ignore people who bring the challenge- queer people as well as friends/family of people who are queer.

Modifié par Eromenos, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:38 .

[Aurica]

ReconTeam wrote...

Shepard doesn't roll that way.

You mean YOUR shepard doesn't roll that way thats fine.  But there is no reason why other people's Shepard cannot roll in another way.  Sides, what they do in their own game is really their own business, its not like its going to affect you.

On a sidenote, was it you who insisted that Turian Females should have boobs on them?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Seriously? Bioware provides countless character development options in their games. To claim they are being racist/sexist/whatever for not trying to appeal to a small group is simply foolish. All Bioware owes any part of the community is access to the games and DLC which said individuals have paid money for.

What do they get out of investing that development time into content which a sizable portion of people would find distasteful? A few more sales that could be easily gained by added other content? Less time to polish the rest of the game? Look at it from a business perspective. Nothing but negatives when the alternative uses of said development time and resources are considered.

And this is ignoring the whole issue of retconning Shepard and other characters, and how implausible such a scenario would be in the year 2185 on a military grade frigate with 40 crew members at max (most of those being generic Cerberus crew BTW).

[AdmiralCheez]

ReconTeam wrote...

Seriously? Bioware provides countless character development options in their games. To claim they are being racist/sexist/whatever for not trying to appeal to a small group is simply foolish. All Bioware owes any part of the community is access to the games and DLC which said individuals have paid money for.

"Small group?"  Combine the gays, bis, tolerants, and yaoi fangirls, and you have yourself one hell of a demographic.

What do they get out of investing that development time into content which a sizable portion of people would find distasteful? A few more sales that could be easily gained by added other content? Less time to polish the rest of the game? Look at it from a business perspective. Nothing but negatives when the alternative uses of said development time and resources are considered.

Did Dragon Age's sales suffer because you could do Zevran as a male Warden?  Nope.  Would some people find a woman and a space chicken sleeping together distasteful?  Yup.

And this is ignoring the whole issue of retconning Shepard and other characters, and how implausible such a scenario would be in the year 2185 on a military grade frigate with 40 crew members at max (most of those being generic Cerberus crew BTW).

It's 2185.  You think tolerance would have moved backwards?  Also, you can't retcon Shepard because he/she's controlled by the player, and no one's asking to make Zaeed gay.

[Eromenos]

ReconTeam wrote...

Seriously? Bioware provides countless character development options in their games. To claim they are being racist/sexist/whatever for not trying to appeal to a small group is simply foolish. All Bioware owes any part of the community is access to the games and DLC which said individuals have paid money for.

What do they get out of investing that development time into content which a sizable portion of people would find distasteful? A few more sales that could be easily gained by added other content? Less time to polish the rest of the game? Look at it from a business perspective. Nothing but negatives when the alternative uses of said development time and resources are considered.

And this is ignoring the whole issue of retconning Shepard and other characters, and how implausible such a scenario would be in the year 2185 on a military grade frigate with 40 crew members at max (most of those being generic Cerberus crew BTW).

Each of your contentions is illogical, but even if one of them were real it still does not give BioWare any excuses to exploit women and the queer community while proclaiming that their hands are clean.

They had a choice to not portray adult intimacy. They had a choice to not dabble into something they can't do right by. To not play with F/F just for titillation while simultaneously denying even any hint of M/M. They opened themselves to criticism. You don't need to make their excuses for them.

[FRSHPRNFILL]

If they put M/M in the game, only the gay/bi (or others) would attempt the M/M relationships. Any straight person playing the game wouldn't be affected by it. The only thing that fuels this argument is most likely homophobia because "Shepard just can't be gay". It wouldn't even be a hassle to put something like that in the game.

Modifié par FRSHPRNFILL, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:14 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
"Small group?"  Combine the gays, bis, tolerants, and yaoi fangirls, and you have yourself one hell of a demographic.

I don't think anybody should want to appeal to "yaoi" or "hentai" or whatever other disturbing things are out there on the dark places of the internet. And a much greater demographic appreciates some new missions for example. It is an action RPG/TPS, not a dating simulator or something that should draw in anybody not looking for something in this genre.

Did Dragon Age's sales suffer because you could do Zevran as a male Warden?  Nope.  Would some people find a woman and a space chicken sleeping together distasteful?  Yup.

It's impact on sales, positive or negative, is likely so small to be irrelevant. And if sleeping with aliens bothers people, I don't think they would buy the game to begin with. Aliens are one of the selling points.

It's 2185.  You think tolerance would have moved backwards?  Also, you can't retcon Shepard because he/she's controlled by the player, and no one's asking to make Zaeed gay.

Tolerance means you tolerate something. It doesn't mean you approve or in this case let discipline go out the window. I consider myself tolerant and if not wanting to see resources misused makes me "intolerant" or "homophobic" by your standards, so be it. Such words are watered down to the point of being meaningless anyway. Besides for the whole military discipline matter I believe the gay population will be significantly smaller by that time due to genetic modification and medical advances.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:20 .

[MisterDyslexo]

FRSHPRNFILL wrote...

If they put M/M in the game, only the gay/bi (or others) would attempt the M/M relationships. Any straight person playing the game wouldn't be affected by it.

Not necessarily. First of all, its been said that a surprising amount of people have done the m/m romance with Zevran. Secondly, thats like saying that the gay would only romance the same sex as their Shepard, which is not true at all.

[RiouHotaru]

I believe, as is the popular rumor, that it's Vanderloo who apparently did NOT want his visage associated with homosexuality. If this is so, than I am a bit sad, since I don't see how it would've done him any harm overall. But it's his choice. And sadly there's nothing Bioware can do about it. Which is why you'll find no REAL F/F in this game. If they can't have one, the other has to go as well, otherwise it's unfair.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Eromenos wrote...
Each of your contentions is illogical, but even if one of them were real it still does not give BioWare any excuses to exploit women and the queer community while proclaiming that their hands are clean.

They had a choice to not portray adult intimacy. They had a choice to not dabble into something they can't do right by. To not play with F/F just for titillation while simultaneously denying even any hint of M/M. They opened themselves to criticism. You don't need to make their excuses for them.

Well I'm guessing we won't see eye to eye when it comes to what is "logical." However they are not "exploiting" anybody in the slightest by not including something. Their hands are clean. If people of a certain ethnic descent are not featured in ME are those people also being exploited by Bioware?

[transcendent12]

Maybe they picked out the relationships out of the hat and M/M got the short straw due to development cost and time. While it might alienate some communities and the liberals it is quite representative of society. I don't really know any gay people, maybe a few bi and I don't get the urge to find some new friends which are gay just to make everything nice and even. When you write a story you don't go, right we need 3 gay men, 3 lesbians, 3 bi sexual, 3 straight. tick tick tick. Granted bioware opened the door to relationships but that doesn't mean they have to contrive something outside an original story to cater for every demographic including those who want shepard to have relationships with cats and dogs. (indeed, not that liberal)

[jlb524]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

FRSHPRNFILL wrote...

If they put M/M in the game, only the gay/bi (or others) would attempt the M/M relationships. Any straight person playing the game wouldn't be affected by it.

Not necessarily. First of all, its been said that a surprising amount of people have done the m/m romance with Zevran. Secondly, thats like saying that the gay would only romance the same sex as their Shepard, which is not true at all.

Heck, I'm a lesbian and I played the Zevran m/m romance.

The demographics argument is just a bad one.

[lazuli]

ReconTeam wrote...
Tolerance means you tolerate something. It doesn't mean you approve or in this case let discipline go out the window. I consider myself tolerant and if not wanting to see resources misused makes me "intolerant" or "homophobic" by your standards, so be it. Such words are watered down to the point of being meaningless anyway. Besides for the whole military discipline matter I believe the gay population will be significantly smaller by that time due to genetic modification and medical advances.

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

[jlb524]

mrsph wrote...

A M/M romance in Mass Effect is just not going to happen. There is an annoying doublestandard when it comes to these things (F/F is considered hot, while M/M is considered icky)

Of course, but I also think it's worthwhile to keep bringing the desire for these romances to the devs attention, in hopes of changing things.

Also, BW has included m/m romances in past titles (JE, DA:O) and hopefully in DA2.

[Xilizhra]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I believe, as is the popular rumor, that it's Vanderloo who apparently did NOT want his visage associated with homosexuality. If this is so, than I am a bit sad, since I don't see how it would've done him any harm overall. But it's his choice. And sadly there's nothing Bioware can do about it. Which is why you'll find no REAL F/F in this game. If they can't have one, the other has to go as well, otherwise it's unfair.

I find the F/F stuff to be a little... well, silly. I'm quite fine with the asari substituting in my own demographic, and I don't feel terribly jilted. Of course, I might just have low standards, but even with that, I get Kelly as a definite female companion. It's not perfect, but it's livable.