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[lazuli]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I believe, as is the popular rumor, that it's Vanderloo who apparently did NOT want his visage associated with homosexuality. If this is so, than I am a bit sad, since I don't see how it would've done him any harm overall. But it's his choice. And sadly there's nothing Bioware can do about it.

An imperfect solution would be to put in a script checking to see if your Shepard has a custom face.  I believe the information Bioware gathered on ME2 players determined that the majority of players chose to make a unique face for their Shepards.

[PrinceLionheart]

Aurica wrote...

Jack Anvil wrote...
You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity. And before you say, "We can still use a gay male squad mate," think about it: most gay guys are effeminate. I can't see Richard Simmons taking out a Reaper. So unless it is one of those butch gay dudes who looks like Michael Clarke Duncan, I don't see it.

That screams ignorance on so many levels.  I've got alot of GLBT & straight friends.  A lot of the gays that I know aren't even effeminate.  Some of them are so macho that it makes even straight men look ball-less.  Some are your average joe.  My point is they all come in different size, shape & demeanor.

You miss another point though, the "You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity." Last time I checked, Shepard's character was defined by the player. There is no canon. Therefore, logically, Shepard's sexuality should be whatever the player defines. I agree, if they're going to include "The Gay Option" then go all the way and don't give one group the short end of the stick just because society is more accepting of lesbian relationships more.

[Inquisitor Recon]

lazuli wrote...
Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

In the background of the ME universe genetic modification has become much more common. Most children are evidently screened and treated for all sorts of genetic conditions, illnesses, etc. If homosexuality is a genetic condition which is the popular conclusion these days I don't see why it wouldn't be addressed by such treatments.

[PrinceLionheart]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I believe, as is the popular rumor, that it's Vanderloo who apparently did NOT want his visage associated with homosexuality.

Well that would explain a lot.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...

lazuli wrote...
Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

In the background of the ME universe genetic modification has become much more common. Most children are evidently screened and treated for all sorts of genetic conditions, illnesses, etc. If homosexuality is a genetic condition which is the popular conclusion these days I don't see why it wouldn't be addressed by such treatments.

Because you think homosexuality is bad.  Others will disagree.

[Vaenier]

ReconTeam wrote...

lazuli wrote...
Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

In the background of the ME universe genetic modification has become much more common. Most children are evidently screened and treated for all sorts of genetic conditions, illnesses, etc. If homosexuality is a genetic condition which is the popular conclusion these days I don't see why it wouldn't be addressed by such treatments.

probably the same reason there are still crazy people and criminals. costs to much to bother with. cheaper to deal with later on.

[MisterDyslexo]

lazuli wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
Tolerance means you tolerate something. It doesn't mean you approve or in this case let discipline go out the window. I consider myself tolerant and if not wanting to see resources misused makes me "intolerant" or "homophobic" by your standards, so be it. Such words are watered down to the point of being meaningless anyway. Besides for the whole military discipline matter I believe the gay population will be significantly smaller by that time due to genetic modification and medical advances.

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

I think I can do it for him. In theory, if homosexuality is indeed genetic as most (logical) people think it is, then some would consider it a human weakness. The desire to mate with something with cannot bear children is the equivalent to sterility, and therefore an attempt to get rid of this should be made,  for "the betterment of the human genome".

Of course, its a extremely unethical thing to do. Its the equivalent to doing to to blacks, white, etc. Plus, if anything at all, more evidence shows that  the average gay/bisexual is more intelligent and a harder worker than the average heterosexual, and with being better physically fit (both civilian and military), and a more. One I found interesting is that a study of a few thousand found that the gay/bisexual people in the study had a much higher threshold for pain.

[Infinite Legend_]

mrsph wrote...

A M/M romance in Mass Effect is just not going to happen. There is an annoying doublestandard when it comes to these things (F/F is considered hot, while M/M is considered icky)

Than the simple solution would be to make both of them Hot, add 70% sexy and boom bobs your uncle.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Vaenier wrote...
probably the same reason there are still crazy people and criminals. costs to much to bother with. cheaper to deal with later on.

I'm not saying there wouldn't be some homosexuals, it is unlikely everybody could afford such screenings and treatments but in the ME universe it seems the technology has progressed to the point where many can.

[Xilizhra]

rynluna wrote...

What makes anyone think gays would want to be cured? lmfao.

My Shepard would put a pistol in your face before you gave her any "treatment". She loves the ladies and is not letting dem boys near her.

I think they mean as prenatal gene therapy.

[Inquisitor Recon]

rynluna wrote...
What makes anyone think gays would want to be cured? lmfao.

My Shepard would put a pistol in your face before you gave her any "treatment". She loves the ladies and is not letting dem boys near her.

Nowhere am I implying this would be forced on grown adults or anything like that.

[Xilizhra]

ReconTeam wrote...

rynluna wrote...
What makes anyone think gays would want to be cured? lmfao.

My Shepard would put a pistol in your face before you gave her any "treatment". She loves the ladies and is not letting dem boys near her.

Nowhere am I implying this would be forced on grown adults or anything like that.

Now I'm curious: would you support this?

[jlb524]

I just don't understand the genetic argument for homosexuality...if that gene was a detriment, wouldn't it have been naturally wiped out due to evolution?

[MisterDyslexo]

ReconTeam wrote...

rynluna wrote...
What makes anyone think gays would want to be cured? lmfao.

My Shepard would put a pistol in your face before you gave her any "treatment". She loves the ladies and is not letting dem boys near her.

Nowhere am I implying this would be forced on grown adults or anything like that.

It probably couldn't be worked into grown adults if its already been in the system.

Besides, with a gene that sensitive, I don't think many people would touch it for reasons other than morality. There's always the danger of genetic mutation, and altering "the gay gene" to make it "the straight gene" would affect many, many others. Who's to say it isn't even in the X chromosome? If thats the case, trying to screw with it could make the child some sort of abomination of science. And I've seen enough babies born screwed up beyond recognition as being human to let something like that happen.

[Eromenos]

ReconTeam wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
"Small group?"  Combine the gays, bis, tolerants, and yaoi fangirls, and you have yourself one hell of a demographic.

I don't think anybody should want to appeal to "yaoi" or "hentai" or whatever other disturbing things are out there on the dark places of the internet. And a much greater demographic appreciates some new missions for example. It is a action RPG/TPS, not a dating simulator or something that should draw in anybody not looking for something in this genre.

Did Dragon Age's sales suffer because you could do Zevran as a male Warden?  Nope.  Would some people find a woman and a space chicken sleeping together distasteful?  Yup.

It's impact on sales, positive or negative, is likely so small to be irrelevant. And if sleeping with aliens bothers people, I don't think they would buy the game to begin with. Aliens are one of the selling points.

It's 2185.  You think tolerance would have moved backwards?  Also, you can't retcon Shepard because he/she's controlled by the player, and no one's asking to make Zaeed gay.

Tolerance means you tolerate something. It doesn't mean you approve or in this case let discipline go out the window. I consider myself tolerant and if not wanting to see resources misused makes me "intolerant" or "homophobic" by your standards, so be it. Such words are watered down to the point of being meaningless anyway. Besides for the whole discipline matter I believe the gay population will be significantly smaller by that time due to genetic modification and medical advances.

I might be wrong, but I think yaoi/hentai can involve loving relationships and not simply the abusive stigma they carry. Certainly not all straight people are racist inbred trailer trash, yet that segment tends to give all straight people a bad name in some places. Not all gay people are childless and selfish hedonists, though we're usually forced to wear that brand.

So you agree that Zevran(for better or worse) posed no negative impact on DAO's sales performance. Then what's the problem? I think AdmiralCheez's remark about aliens was alluding to the hypocrisy behind BioWare's choice to elevate fanboy/fangirl clamoring for M/F with Tali and Garrus despite continued exclusion of M/M anywhere in ME. I remember a poster saying I had no right to be disgusted over BioWare's same-sex shortcomings when so many others are enraged they didn't even get their "hot elf chick." Do we actually need to draw a diagram of the comparison that poster dared to make?

If you're going to propose that future up above, krogan won't be the only things grown inside tanks. No need for physical hetero-couplings to facilitate reproduction. Why then would the gay population be reduced? A traditional argument used against us by the homophobic crowd would be snuffed.

Modifié par Eromenos, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:38 .

[Jagged Orchid]

ReconTeam wrote...

I'm not saying there wouldn't be some homosexuals, it is unlikely everybody could afford such screenings and treatments but in the ME universe it seems the technology has progressed to the point where many can.

That's assuming they would want to. Which is rather quite insulting to be honest.

[Xilizhra]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

rynluna wrote...
What makes anyone think gays would want to be cured? lmfao.

My Shepard would put a pistol in your face before you gave her any "treatment". She loves the ladies and is not letting dem boys near her.

Nowhere am I implying this would be forced on grown adults or anything like that.

It probably couldn't be worked into grown adults if its already been in the system.

Besides, with a gene that sensitive, I don't think many people would touch it for reasons other than morality. There's always the danger of genetic mutation, and altering "the gay gene" to make it "the straight gene" would affect many, many others. Who's to say it isn't even in the X chromosome? If thats the case, trying to screw with it could make the child some sort of abomination of science. And I've seen enough babies born screwed up beyond recognition as being human to let something like that happen.

Especially since there generally aren't just singular genes that control things like this; often, traits are determined by interactions of disparate genes.

[MisterDyslexo]

jlb524 wrote...

I just don't understand the genetic argument for homosexuality...if that gene was a detriment, wouldn't it have been naturally wiped out due to evolution?

One common theory is that its a birth defect. That could never be tracked. Another common one is that its in the x chromosome. I've also heard a theory along the lines that human are so fertile that its sorta a type of infertility, a counter to the high birth rate.

[only1sgop]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Aurica wrote...

Jack Anvil wrote...
You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity. And before you say, "We can still use a gay male squad mate," think about it: most gay guys are effeminate. I can't see Richard Simmons taking out a Reaper. So unless it is one of those butch gay dudes who looks like Michael Clarke Duncan, I don't see it.

That screams ignorance on so many levels.  I've got alot of GLBT & straight friends.  A lot of the gays that I know aren't even effeminate.  Some of them are so macho that it makes even straight men look ball-less.  Some are your average joe.  My point is they all come in different size, shape & demeanor.

You miss another point though, the "You can't force a hetero character in to sexual ambiguity." Last time I checked, Shepard's character was defined by the player. There is no canon. Therefore, logically, Shepard's sexuality should be whatever the player defines. I agree, if they're going to include "The Gay Option" then go all the way and don't give one group the short end of the stick just because society is more accepting of lesbian relationships more.

Damn straight!

[Xilizhra]

rynluna wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I think they mean as prenatal gene therapy.

Who would want to do that to their kids, then?  *waits for people to argue that being gay isn't easy*  It's not but I'm not going to alter someone's genes because I'm afraid they'll turn out gay.  There's nothing wrong with being gay.

An opinion that is sadly far from universal. When there's a demand, and a means, there'll be a supply, even if it's making sure your kids aren't gay.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Xilizhra wrote...
Now I'm curious: would you support this?

Support what? Such a thing being forced on grown adults? No, because despite my beliefs they are adults who can make their own decisions.