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[Sardoni]

So apparently I didn't have enough Paragon to stop a forced choice in the game.

So here's my dilemna.  I already completed Miranda's Loyalty campaign.  So she was loyal.  I'm in the process of just knocking out all the loyalty missions (I haven't recruited Tali but finished Samara and Thane's loyalty missions already and I have the IFF mish pended).  Still have Grunt and Mordin's loyalty missions to knock out.

Well.  I completed Jack's loyalty mission last night and when you got back to the cabin Miranda and Jack were fighting.  I only had two dialogue options of the four available (I assume it's because I don't have enough paragon/renegade to unlock the other two).  I have 3 bars paragon and <1 bar renegade (pesky auto renegade points).

I can make two choices.  Tell Jack to back off or tell Miranda to back off.  If I tell Miranda to back off she drops from Loyal to Normal and then refuses to talk to me.  If I tell Jack to back off she drops from Loyal to Normal and then refuses to talk to me.

So my question is... am I screwed on Miranda's loyalty?  I decided to go with telling Miranda to back off (because her arguement was the most baseless of the two).  I also went with Miranda because she seems to easiest to persuade back (and she really doesn't have a choice but to be on this mission and see things through).  Do I need a full paragon bar to be able to tell Miranda to "Be the bigger woman" (which is the greyed out Paragon choice) and will that make her loyal to me again?  Is there a way to recover loyalty in the game?  I already botched Zaeed's loyalty by choosing to save the miners... i'd rather not make another botched mistake. 

On my second playthrough it looks like I'm going to unlock the loyalty missions for Miranda and Jack first.  Do Jack's first (to ****** off Miranda) and then go do Miranda's loyalty quest to hopefully right size the loyalty status.  This is just a theory though :/

If I had known it would force a choice I would have planned differently and waited until I had full paragon/renegade for Jack.

Advice?

[izmirtheastarach]

If you tell Miranda to back off, and then avoid talking to her till you have enough Paragon, you can convince her to stay loyal the next time you speak with her.

I found that I had enough Paragon by the time I got to this juncture, so it wasn't an issue for me. Having a pure Paragon import helps.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:21 .

[Sardoni]

Thank you! The one thing I hate (and love) about Bioware is the forced choices they sometimes make you have.

I just wasn't happy with the fact that this "loyalty" line happened so early in the game (I could have done Jack's loyalty mission before Horizon), but it automatically required you to have more paragon than you can reasonably have accumulated so far :/

I never played the ME1.  I already bought it though for after I finish this one (I know, I know) but heh.  I might make my second playthrough of ME2 my soon to be ME1 port.

I guess it made people who ported ME1 have some easier conversations points

Modifié par Sardonii, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:23 .

[JMKnave]

I didn't like this choice either. I plan on doing the same thing next time. Leaving Miranda's mission after Jack's. Let us know if it works.

[Sardoni]

I'll keep you posted. Subscribing to the thread so I can bump it on my second play through.  Someone else might beat me to it though so I'll keep an eye

I don't care if Miranda is stuck in a pouty mood as long as she is loyal

Modifié par Sardonii, 29 janvier 2010 - 09:26 .

[Homebound]

I imported my pure Paragon lvl 60 from ME1 and THAT wasnt enough by the time the conflict came up...She ended up dying in the final mission, but oh well...

[SURPRISE ATTACK!]

I told off Jack after completing both Miranda's and her loyalty mission, and Jack wouldn't speak to me anymore.



I still got my entire team out alive.



I don't really think you need everyone to be loyal to get "No One Left Behind."

[Sardoni]

Must be the renegade in you I couldn't bring it upon myself to tell of Jack after doing her loyalty mission. And after you tell off Miranda Jack's dialogue is pretty in depth.

[grayjedi00]

I'm having a similar issue with this. I'm playing through with an imported male shepard lvl 60 and pure paragon, and I'm trying to romance miranda (successful), I got to the biotic cat fight and I apparently had enough paragon points to calm the fight. However, after the fight when I went to go talk to Jack, and she was pissed at me for being in a relationship with Miranda (like she was jealous), so did I accidently romance Jack at the same time? I wasn't interested in a romance with her; I just wanted to be friends!!!! What do I do???? Help!!!!!!

[LucidStrike]

grayjedi00 wrote...

I'm having a similar issue with this. I'm playing through with an imported male shepard lvl 60 and pure paragon, and I'm trying to romance miranda (successful), I got to the biotic cat fight and I apparently had enough paragon points to calm the fight. However, after the fight when I went to go talk to Jack, and she was pissed at me for being in a relationship with Miranda (like she was jealous), so did I accidently romance Jack at the same time? I wasn't interested in a romance with her; I just wanted to be friends!!!! What do I do???? Help!!!!!!

Well, if that's not affecting loyalty, why the concern? Just be honest.

Anyway, Miranda was off base, any way you slice it. She was wrong in the initial dispute and wrong for losing loyalty because she was called out for being like Jack's personal Holocaust denier. Meh. I had the Charm option, so all was well.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:10 .

[kyle_is lost]

im going to to do jacks mission then go and do miranda after jacks to see if I can avoid the conflict

[Zirinna]

No such luck with that, I did jack first, then miranda. the fight is set up to occur when you get back from whichever loyalty mission you do second. So if you don't have enough paragon/rengade for the extra choices, yer gonna lose the loyalty of one of them.

No way to get around that fight.

I just want to know how much paragon it takes to get that other choice.

Modifié par Zirinna, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:02 .

[glacier1701]

Hmmmm glad that I had enough Paragon to tell them both to back off then on my first playthrough so I kept them both loyal. They continued to speak to me enough so that had I wanted to I could have romanced either of them. Also had Tali hanging on to my decision on a romance with her. Even had Kelly warmed up though I stopped at dinner and her looking after my fish.

[JasonPogo]

Zirinna wrote...

No such luck with that, I did jack first, then miranda. the fight is set up to occur when you get back from whichever loyalty mission you do second. So if you don't have enough paragon/rengade for the extra choices, yer gonna lose the loyalty of one of them.

No way to get around that fight.

I just want to know how much paragon it takes to get that other choice.

This is right.  I did Jack's loyalty mission first as well but got the conflict after Miranda's.  And just for the record something I totaly missed my first play is if you put points into your static skill  set like for a Vanguard his Assult Mastery will up the Paragon and Renegade points you have and get.  You will need this maxed to get some of the hardest blue or red choices in the game.

[grayjedi00]

LucidStrike wrote...

grayjedi00 wrote...

I'm having a similar issue with this. I'm playing through with an imported male shepard lvl 60 and pure paragon, and I'm trying to romance miranda (successful), I got to the biotic cat fight and I apparently had enough paragon points to calm the fight. However, after the fight when I went to go talk to Jack, and she was pissed at me for being in a relationship with Miranda (like she was jealous), so did I accidently romance Jack at the same time? I wasn't interested in a romance with her; I just wanted to be friends!!!! What do I do???? Help!!!!!!

Well, if that's not affecting loyalty, why the concern? Just be honest.

Anyway, Miranda was off base, any way you slice it. She was wrong in the initial dispute and wrong for losing loyalty because she was called out for being like Jack's personal Holocaust denier. Meh. I had the Charm option, so all was well.

I know, and it still says that Jack is loyal, so that gave me some relief.  But my question is, does she act like this no matter what, or did I screw up somewhere and accidently gave her the wrong impression at some point.  I was trying really hard NOT to initiate any sort of romance with her, that's my concern.

[-Zorph-]

I only have one bar of paragon that ISN'T full. Is this enough to convince Miranda back?

[-Zorph-]

Bump, would appreciate an answer.

[douchebag5000]

From what I know, If you dont have the charm/intimidate options, ur pretty much screwed with one of the loyalites, I sided with Miranda (Jack got pissed off), I talked to Jack several times (each time with a higher paragon) and still didnt have the charm option, so i got my paragon to full and still didnt have the charm option.  I say get enough paragon/renegae points before the arguement happens or one of ur squadmates wont be loyal (Jack wasnt loyal and she died at the end defending).

[No SuRReNDeR]

I read that you need 100% Paragon if you dont get the option initially if you want to get Miranda loyal again later. An to get the "good option" you need 80% when the fight happens.--

[qala]

im not sure if this helps but for this i got screwed as well but neither of them died for me during final.... tali did damnit. i had miranda and merc man un-loyal. cause ya miranda's chat durring the fight is almost BEGGING to be crushed to me lol

[R-F]

i've got four full bars of paragon, and now i'm bordering into the fifth. so hopefully i can finally get them to stop fighting. my first play i was a renegade and i swear that took less point (or renegade points were easier to get). i have done jack's mission like 10 times now, each with varying amounts of paragon, and i just re-load after the charm option doesn't come up. the only character i don't really care about being loyal is Zaeed. he is such a waste of pixels.

[Skarwael]

I managed to split up the fight on my first play through, but couldn't do it on my second (and I swear I had less paragon the first time).



I had to side with Miranda. It was stupid of Jack in my opinion to go up there and ask for an apology.

[Mkrgross]

Skarwael wrote...

I managed to split up the fight on my first play through, but couldn't do it on my second (and I swear I had less paragon the first time).

I had to side with Miranda. It was stupid of Jack in my opinion to go up there and ask for an apology.

Seriously, Jack just wanted Miranda to admit that Cerberus was wrong and Miranda was still thick-headed at that time to admit that. (Though I like to think by the end of the game Miranda changes her opinion). At the moment of this little squabble Jack was more in the right, though her approach was a bit juvenile, but she grows up a bit more later.

[Biotic_Warlock]

You always get the conflict after BOTH loyalties are gained, plus you need maximum renegade/paragon.

[PooPoomonster]

To get the option before or after you can put points into assult mastery up to the third level. It will then give you the option and you can regain the loyalty after its lost. I don't have full anything and I was able to reset their loyalty in conversation.