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[NKato]

I have a series of predictions for Mass Effect 3. ME3 is the finale, and will involve the final battle against the Reapers. We saw in the ending how big their fleet is. Success is dependent on how well we handle ME2's events.

In ME3, I imagine that we will encounter the Krogan and the Rachni in a possible conflict. I predict that we will also encounter the Quarians attempting to mount an attack on their homeworld to retake it from the Geth. And then there's the Citadel, the Terminus Systems, and Cerberus. This thread will focus on the Quarian - Geth conflict.

The Quarians and the Geth
I can see how this would play out. Because of Tali's personal loyalty quest, we'd be encountering the Quarians going after the Geth in an attempt to take control of the galaxy's largest synthetic army and retaking their homeworld at the same time. It also will be dependent on whether or not you gained Legion's loyalty. There are several possible general outcomes.

The Quarians defeat the Geth and regain control of their homeworld. (This leaves the Quarians heavily battered and unfit for battle against the Reapers, the Geth are decimated.)

The Quarians defeat and take control of the Geth, and retake their homeworld. (The Quarians would have had heavy casualties, but the Geth would be able to quickly rebuild under the Quarians' direction and join Shepard's army.)

The Quarians are defeated by the Geth. (Both sides suffer heavy casualties, but the Geth survive.)

The Quarians are destroyed by the Geth. (With help from a Renegade Shepard, the Quarians are wiped out with minimal casualties to the Geth.)

The Quarians and the Geth achieve coexistence. (A Paragon Shepard who has completed loyalty for Legion and Tali would be able to achieve this, and gain the support of both of their armies.)

The Quarians and the Geth are locked in a stalemate war. (If you were a lazy ******, you'd get this result.)


During the course of my ME2 playthrough, I intentionally held off on doing Tali's loyalty quest so I could get Legion into the squad, and then did her quest after the Reaper IFF mission, and then Legion's immediately afterward. The reactions of the Quarians on the flotilla to Legion's presence were very interesting.

What do you guys think? Is all this plausible for Mass Effect 3? We're looking at Shepard being faced with an insurmountable mission to marshal a massive army to meet the Reapers head-on, along with missions to acquire more information about Reaper technology.

[InHarmsWay]

I have a feeling that this is going to be a DLC story chapter that will take place after ME2's story.

[Cutlass Jack]

Personally I think one of the big themes of ME3 will be building your forces on a large scale to take on the Reapers. Negotiating peace between the Quarians and Geth will be one of the huge Paragon payoffs in that game.



They set this up quite nicely in ME2, with a few important reveals. First, that the Flotilla (the largest fleet in the galaxy) would help fight the reapers, if they had a home to put their non-combat people on. Secondly, that reclaiming their homeworld would allow them to recover their immunities faster than some other world. And finally, the huge reveal that the Geth don't actually live on that homeworld, but consider themselves 'caretakers' for it.



All the pieces are there. It just needs someone like Shepard to get the ball rolling. Complete negotiated peace will give you both the Flotilla and the Geth for the end fight. Which will be awesome.



And better still would allow for an ending sequence where you and Tali build a home on the Quarian homeworld to honor her father's dying wish.

[Gravity Bun]

I think I spotted a bunch of hints throughout the game where the migrant fleet and the non-heretical Geth would be formidable allies in defeating the Reapers, it'll probably be a Paragon Shepard's responsibility to unite both the Geth and their Quarian creators for the final battle against the Reapers, Renegade choices will possibly mean either side starting a war before or after the Reaper threat is dealt with.

[wolf99000]

I dont really see why legion and his geth would want the quarian homeworld with there whole dyson sphere plan plus when tali gives legion the non confidental info when they are having it out I took that as a first sign of peace between them maybe even 2 leaders of each coming forward for the future

Modifié par wolf99000, 26 février 2010 - 03:35 .

[wolf99000]

double post

Modifié par wolf99000, 26 février 2010 - 03:34 .

[Ardonia]

The Quaians and the Geth need 2 set aside their hate and reunite in the war to study the reapers and develope new techniques for all races to use againt the reapers.

[DracoFulcrum]

If it does make it's way into ME3, I think you choices on tali's and legions side quests and your actions in the conflict between the two will matter. What would happen if the Quarians learn geth weakness an the geth are half their strenght due to the destruction of the station, or the other way around.

Modifié par DracoFulcrum, 04 mars 2010 - 12:36 .

[Lightice_av]

I expect that there are three major choices, based on the three Admirals you meet on the Flotilla:

1. Renegade: help the quarians reenslave the geth, and have them both on your side, but geth have returned to mindless servitude.

2. Do nothing, and get a war between the two. Everybody loses. Potentially also a stupider Renegade option.

3. Paragon: support peace and understanding between the two groups with the aid of Admiral Koris and his supporters.

[GenericPlayer2]

To be honest I see ME3 as being about defeating the reapers. Diplomacy may play a part, but I don't think this game will be about tying up galactic loose ends. ME2 was already the 'recruitment' game, so for me it would be undesirable if ME3 turned out to be another recruitment game. The story revolves around Commander Shepard, not the Quarians, and not the Krogans.



Staying on topic though, of the two loyalty quests, Tali's will probably have the bigger impact since not doing it is the same as her being exiled. As for Legion, the two outcomes of the mission do not overlap with not doing it, nor with selling Legion to Cerberus. As such I believe whatever choice you make on Legion's mission, it will not amount to much. I think this is why the 5% Heretics Legion mentions is ambiguous, is it 5% of the programs (software) or 5% of the mobile platforms. The details are kept sketchy so that they can craft whatever story they want later.

[DarkCrimson21]

Well, but there will be a Time Gap between ME2 and ME3, at least several years if not some decades before the Reapers reach the next Portal. The Reapers are far away from the Milky way, so it'll take some time for them to reach it.



I wonder how much time, they will need?

[spacehamsterZH]

InHarmsWay wrote...

I have a feeling that this is going to be a DLC story chapter that will take place after ME2's story.

I seriously doubt that. There are a whole bunch of different possible combinations of outcomes here depending on what you did at the end of Tali's loyalty mission and how you handled Legion. Both have three possible outcomes, and you have to factor in all the combinations that can have happened in somebody's game. If they wanted to base a DLC chapter on this, there would have to be several almost completely different versions, and based on how decisions were handled in ME2, I don't think this is going to happen. I'm actually kind of afraid all this will have to be dealt with outside the main story and they'll have to come up with some way to simplify it. Which is a real shame because it's actually damned interesting.

[Inverness Moon]

Speculating about the war is interesting, but I really don't think the quarians will go to war with the geth. At most a splinter group (maybe with Xen involved) would try to attack and take control of some geth or something, but considering that the geth want peace and understanding, I don't see quarian public opinion favoring a war that would end with the senseless deaths of their friends and loved ones.

[STG]

It would be a very bad move if quarians went to war. Legion said that geth who allied with Saren were about 5% of their total strength, and that was enough to overpower Citadel's defenses and potentially take down Destiny Ascension.



Now imagine if 100% of geth forces were to go to war.

[Dodge Viper 123]

I've got a sneaking suspicion that even if you re-wrote the heretics what will happen is a three way war between geth, quarians and heretics. Geth will defend themselves, quarians will attack the geth and the heretics will attack the quarian flotilla. Mabey on like a legion/tali mission you will have to make a choice whether to help the geth and quarians to defeat the heretics (paragon) or get them all to kill each other (renegade). This will be one hell of a confusing game for choices

[spartacusthegod]

Just my two cents on the matter.

I think that you can still win both of them over if you never did Tali or Legion's loyalty missions. However, if you didn't do Legion's, you'll have issues with the heretics you'll need to take care of, either more enemies to fight, or maybe even a whole separate mission to deal with them.

Tali's loyalty mission will definitely, DEFINITELY affect the war between the two though. I'm not sure how and I can't wait to see how it plays out, but Shepard straight-up tells them either to go to war or wait on it at the end. That has GOT to have some effect. I'm very curious to see what will happen if Tali and/or Legion was killed in ME2. My RenShep will be finding this out the hard way.

Something I know they're going to do though: having Paragon choices backfire and have some consequences. If you want the best for the galaxy overall, you're going to have to pull a few renegade moves and make some sacrifices. Like, with Legion's loyalty quest, the Paragon option was to kill the heretics outright and remove them. Renegade, however, was to strengthen the geth as a whole. This will probably be happening much more in ME3, but I don't know how with the geth/quarian conflict.

Modifié par spartacusthegod, 16 septembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[M4ster]

I have always chosen both be right, if they continue to fight to the end, and Geth Quarian die or be killed by the raiders for me, so that these finemeglio to them by a piece of data. If I agree to kick ass all hell broke loose.
Honor to the core

[d1sciple]

all your major decisions through ME1/ME2 will have a great impact on ME3, not so much as tying up loose ends but recruitment will play a huge role again as this is where you get the pay off for all your past decisions.
maybe the krogan will join you only if you give wrex the genophage cure? what if you don't have it? what if you saved the heretics and now the geth can't help you due to thier new perspective? what if you helped garner peace between the quarian and geth and now the flotilla is actually prepared, for once, to step in on a galactic matter?
i think this will be the main plot of ME3, a massive recruitment based on your past runthroughs and then a huge battle. it's hard to predict because everyone's game will be different, as for me i'm most excited about cerberus.
back to topic any war would be disastrous for the galaxy, though if you backed the winner there is potential for an ally there. personally the quarians were wrong in creating, and subsequently trying to destroy, the geth, but after talking to legion they hold them as godlike and call them the creators, how can there be anything but compassion for the geth after that? pure logic says that the best choice for the galaxy is to make everyone happy and therefore gain a prospective ally, but we know from the game that it's not always clear or easy and to me the consequences are the thing i'm most excited about in ME3, after being able to finally get TIM!

[Yakko77]

Gravity Bun wrote...

I think I spotted a bunch of hints throughout the game where the migrant fleet and the non-heretical Geth would be formidable allies in defeating the Reapers, it'll probably be a Paragon Shepard's responsibility to unite both the Geth and their Quarian creators for the final battle against the Reapers, Renegade choices will possibly mean either side starting a war before or after the Reaper threat is dealt with.

This.