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[Galluskek]

I just can't see why anyone would blow up th Collector base. It just seems so counter productive, considering the threat that the Reapers pose, and the knowledge that it could bring. I mean, it isn't like you are killing babies or kittens in order to do this research. Or that Cerberus would be able to get millions of humans in the converters to build their own Reaper.

As a paragon irl (if my scar-free face is any indication), I think that blowing it up was a very stupid and renegade thing to do. It feels like you blew the damn thing to bits in order to stick a figurative finger up at TIM, not any moral logic.

Anyways, what reason did you have for blowing up the base?

Or if you're like me, why in gods name would anyone blow up this precious resource?!

[Voods07]

I blew up the base. Humans along with other alien races did just fine killing a reaper, they can do it agiain. Both choices are going to have consequences, obviously. TIM's motives are to advance humans and ONLY humans, he doesnt give a **** about other races, and that disturbes me.

Loosing our allainces over reaper tech is not worth it, with all the races together we can definatley beat the reapers.

To me keeping the base seems like a much more renegade move, it proves (according to TIM's endgame) that you only care about humans and TIM's reasoning to save the base is only a veil to cover up your wickedness.

Modifié par Voods07, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:41 .

[stylepoints]

Mordin had this exact same conversation during his loyalty mission. Cultures being given technology they aren't ready for yet can be catastrophic like with the krogan. Legion also said it. I want to make my own future, I don't want to be given a future. All species should be allowed to develop along their own lines. I told the illusive man to stick it because I'm going to win the war without selling the soul of my species.



I play mainly as a renegade. Keeping it is just downright wrong on so many levels, even for someone who plays by their own rules.

[Corti78]

Blowing it up is actually the very paragon thing to do. TIM smirks quite evily when he views the schematics of the base, not to mention your entire squad disproves of your actions. TIM even admits to use it to ensure human/Cerberus dominance across the galaxy.

If you blow it up you still keep the reaper data but do not give it to TIM. It's the data pad Joker hands over at the end. And your team approves of your actions, including Miranda and Jacob. It also cuts ties to TIM and Cerberus which I think is great (I greatly dislike both). Jacob comments on "Nice way to tell the boss you're quitting." or something along those lines.

Modifié par Corti78, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:42 .

[Nimander]

Also, remember what the Reapers said originally. They -want- people to develop along their lines. I could see the Collector base being full of stuff that has loopholes like the Mass Relay system.



It's better (as Legion said) to make your own way than to follow what others have outlined for you.

[Fuzzyrabbit]

Do you really want to hand over possibly the most advanced and destructive technology in the galaxy to an organization like Cerberus? Noone else can get to it yet, and the Illusive Man would probably be more than happy to create his own reaper, test it on alien colonies and try to make it sound patriotic.

[stylepoints]

Plus won't it just feel more epic beating ME3 without the tech? It just makes you that more bad ass.

[Corti78]

stylepoints wrote...

Plus won't it just feel more epic beating ME3 without the tech? It just makes you that more bad ass.

This especially. I'd rather face down the reaper fleet with all the allies I have made across the games, rather than relying on some unknown tech that is in the hands of a guy that clearly has his on motives and plans for the galaxy.

[screwoffreg]

I like Martin Sheen so I trust Illusive Man. Do you doubt President Bartlett?!?!?!

[Galluskek]

He handed me a picture of the Reapers, it was very informative, I took a look at it and gave him a gold star for his artwork. If unraveling their tech was simple enough to process in the ten minutes before the station blew up, then boy will I be red in the face for letting all those scientists and engineers figure out how to blow holes in those bio-ships.

Oh wait, maybe they'll let me have Normandy yellow beams.

As to the advanced tech argument, what culture ripped off Sovereign to get the blue Normandy beams? Not humans, we won't be alone on our tech plane.
EDIT: Just read "smirks evilly", I'm totally convinced, anything he's going to do will hurt the galaxy and EVERYONE living in it!

Modifié par Galluskek, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:57 .

[Voods07]

Galluskek wrote...

He handed me a picture of the Reapers, it was very informative, I took a look at it and gave him a gold star for his artwork. If unraveling their tech was simple enough to process in the ten minutes before the station blew up, then boy will I be red in the face for letting all those scientists and engineers figure out how to blow holes in those bio-ships.

Oh wait, maybe they'll let me have Normandy yellow beams.

As to the advanced tech argument, what culture ripped off Sovereign to get the blue Normandy beams? Not humans, we won't be alone on our tech plane.

The "blue normandy beams" are Turian cannon, its turian tech, not reaper.

[stylepoints]

A harder hitting laser vs possible galaxy conquering ship made of people paste. Giving cavemen a pointier stick vs. giving cavemen a nuke. Not exactly the same argument here. And I'm not really sure that that was the information from the collector ship. I felt it was more of a "this is what's coming" report since we saw all those ships coming in. Who knows.

[DK_DOOM]

The whole reason behind why blowing it up was Paragon is really because there was the possibility that Cerberus would use it for their own dominance rather than helping humans.



I always consider it as although Paragon and Renegade are light outlines of right and wrong, it's really just your own decisions and how you handle them. You could have been Paragon and kept the base. Get a little mix in there.

[stylepoints]

I play a renegade whenever it makes sense. Keeping the base didn't. Maybe if it was me personally getting access to it and me alone I would think about it. But trusting the illusive man is just retarded.

[Dray-gonn]

I chose to blow it up because it was way too dangerous. Especially in the hands of Cerberus. I'm pretty sure the ending of ME3 will have more to do with the enhancement of Shepard and his crew than Cerberus' access to technology. Hell, everything went backwards when they went to heat transfer clips for the guns.



All the videos I've seen where Shepard saves the base have him dying. Is it possible to save the base and Shepard?

[Galluskek]

If Cerberus is going to be doing some sort of evil villain plot to take over the world, would you rather avoid it, or fight against them in ME5? I say let them have they're fun, so you can clean up the mess afterward!

And I could have sworn that the Codex states the beams were built by Turians from Reaper bits salvaged after ME1?

[stylepoints]

By the way I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say the reapers aren't going to be the big bad guys in ME3.

Edit: I didn't read the codex on it, but I could have sworn in-game they said there wasn't enough salvage from sovereign to get anything useful out of it.

Modifié par stylepoints, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:02 .

[KBGeller]

Dray-gonn wrote...

I chose to blow it up because it was way too dangerous. Especially in the hands of Cerberus. I'm pretty sure the ending of ME3 will have more to do with the enhancement of Shepard and his crew than Cerberus' access to technology. Hell, everything went backwards when they went to heat transfer clips for the guns.

All the videos I've seen where Shepard saves the base have him dying. Is it possible to save the base and Shepard?

I saved the base as well as all the characters. So yes it is possible.

Edit: I figured the base would be useful tech. Worst comes to worst, if TIM gets crazy with it, we beat him and Cerberus down in ME1 and we can do it again in ME3. Humans only became a spacefaring race with the discovery of the mass relay. We jumped in tech and had no negative side effects. As such, the collector/prothean base could be similar. And also could give us countless information otherwise lost forever on the protheans, reapers, the reapers' creators, and the collectors.

Modifié par KBGeller, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:05 .

[Voods07]

stylepoints wrote...

By the way I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say the reapers aren't going to be the big bad guys in ME3.

Edit: I didn't read the codex on it, but I could have sworn in-game they said there wasn't enough salvage from sovereign to get anything useful out of it.

We'll find out in 3 years.

[Galluskek]

Re-read the codex entry, the cannons were salvaged from Sovvie's main guns. Stolen by Turian "volunteers" working for their government.
Everyone is pulling shenanigans, its not because they're all evil, but because beings millions of years older than any other space faring race are not something to underestimate. I'd love to pull a sling shot out of my pocket to down the Elephant charging at me, but wouldn't a very big gun be a better thing to trust your life to?

Modifié par Galluskek, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:08 .

[Litos456]

I blew up the base with completely no hesitation. I didn't even THINK about considering what he was saying. He was up to no good and we all know it.

[stylepoints]

If the gun was purchased with tens of thousands of lives and after you used it you had to give it to hitler then I think I'd take my chances with something not as good but still possible. And yes I just Godwinned this thread by comparing TIM to hitler.

[FROST4584]

Galluskek wrote...

I just can't see why anyone would blow up th Collector base. It just seems so counter productive, considering the threat that the Reapers pose, and the knowledge that it could bring. I mean, it isn't like you are killing babies or kittens in order to do this research. Or that Cerberus would be able to get millions of humans in the converters to build their own Reaper.

As a paragon irl (if my scar-free face is any indication), I think that blowing it up was a very stupid and renegade thing to do. It feels like you blew the damn thing to bits in order to stick a figurative finger up at TIM, not any moral logic.

Anyways, what reason did you have for blowing up the base?

Or if you're like me, why in gods name would anyone blow up this precious resource?!

 
I agree with you. Also I am disappointed at the options bioware have given us. The Collector base has lots of secrets why would you just blow it up? It makes NO SENSE at all from a military point of view and out  right dumb, just because many humans died. He was right in terms of using reaper tech against them to even find out a weakness.

Back to the disappointment in options. Shepard could have made a joint-opts between Cerberus and the Alliance, the council. Myself I would opted that every major faction ( the good guys in general humans, Turian, Salians, ect) would  work together to uncover its secrets. I always play the good guy, and rarely go with evil way of doing things. I hate the face that my crew disagrees with my choice not to destroy the collector base. Not one person agree with me one the ship. In real life most people would agree.

In short their were better options than the two that was offered at the end.

Modifié par FROST4584, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:16 .

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

[quote]FROST4584 wrote...

[quote]Galluskek wrote...

I just can't see why anyone would blow up th Collector base. It just seems so counter productive, considering the threat that the Reapers pose, and the knowledge that it could bring. I mean, it isn't like you are killing babies or kittens in order to do this research. Or that Cerberus would be able to get millions of humans in the converters to build their own Reaper.

[/quote]

Yeah, lets just have a big giant Collector base floating around. Pretty sure the Reapers wouldn't notice any kind of signal.

[Galluskek]

FROST4584 wrote...

I agree with you. Also I am disapointed at the options bioware have given us. The Collector base has lots of secrets why would you just blow it up? It makes NO SENSE at all from a miltary point of view and out  right dumb, just because many humans died. He was right in terms of using reaper tech against them ot even find out a weakness.

Back to the disspointment in options. Shepard could have made a joiint-opts between cerbures and the Alliance, the council. Myself I would opted that every major faction ( the good guys in general humans, Turian, Salians, ect) would  work together to uncover its secrets. I always play the good guy, and rarely go with evil way of doing things. I hate the face that my crew disagrees with my choice not to destory the collector base. Not one person agree with me one the ship. In real life most people would agree.

In short their were better options than the two that was offered at the end.

The cavalry is here. 

And I really like the idea of diffusing the threat of Cerberus doing some outrage by sharing the tech with all the races. Shouldn't be too difficult, after all, you still have the IFF on your ship. Just copy/duct tape onto some council ships and you've got a regular expedition going for the good of all races!