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[Upper_Krust]

Hey all!



Juts wondering, if we assume the length of RtO is fixed, what would YOU have done differently in the DLC to make it a more enjoyable experience?



Personally (and I don't have it yet but I have seen the videos) I would have made it a bit more difficult and challenging. The fights just look too easy.

[heronice1]

Mlai00 wrote...
Even Dog has a line.

WOOF!

[hexaligned]

Upper_Krust wrote...

Hey all!

Juts wondering, if we assume the length of RtO is fixed, what would YOU have done differently in the DLC to make it a more enjoyable experience?

Personally (and I don't have it yet but I have seen the videos) I would have made it a bit more difficult and challenging. The fights just look too easy.

They are.  I enjoyed it, but I was really hoping the Devs, had gotten over their whole Genlock "grunt" thing.  Killing level 1 mobs is not fun, the combat is already too easy without that thrown in too.

Modifié par relhart, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:14 .

[VanDraegon]

NyackDarkSoul wrote...

Using tab and a level 21 character this DLC was finished in less time than the download/extract/install took. I was pretty disappointed in all honesty.
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Ahh, the most endangered breed of gamer....


The Dial-up user.

[squid5580]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Depending on what you bought it for will determine how well you like it. My younger brother complained the same thing when he watched me beat it in like 25 minutes or so with my level 20+ character. But I didn't play or get this for achievements or for some epic journey. I got this for finality. It's for the story of the game. The game feels more complete after having done RtO. Whether you feel that way or not is your own opinion, and you're entitled to it. But putting Cailan up in flames a la Darth Vader in ROTJ felt pretty good. While I do think it's unfortunate that we had to pay extra for this because I think this should have been in the game, it is what it is. And to the gripers about not finding "Duncan's Body". How many other body's do you even find in the game? 90% of the bodies in the game turn to a pile of bones/blood within seconds of you looting the corpse. Is it so inconceivable to think that this happened to Duncan? He's dead people, get used to it, and if you need to see a body to realize he's dead, then you probably think Jimmy Hoffa's still alive too. Although I admit, it would have been nice to have his armor. :-p

Yep you hit the nail on the head. It should have been in the full game. Not because it isn't worth the 5 bucks but because of the content. 3 months later we finally get the closure we deserve. Any emotional impact is lost to anyone who has played through the game once.

[AndreaDraco]

I disagree. Even if I used a post-campaign save, I felt a definite emotional blow. In my mind, my character visited once again Ostagar *before* the Landsmeet began, and it fits nicely with the path my character was/is on.

[otis0310]

I liked it for the emotional connection too. The thing is for me, I didn't want closure for King Cailan, he was important, but Duncan was my mentor, he was the one that made my character a gray warden and brought them into this new life of adventure. I wanted closure for him more than for anyone else, and I feel upset I didn't find it. But for $5 I can buy this or a bag of chips and bottle of pop, but little else. Between the two, I thnk this was a better buy.

[keesio74]

Just finished RtO. I liked it. Was worth the $5. Some interesting new items. It is what it is... a small add-on. Unless $5 is a big deal to you, I'd recommend this add-on.

Modifié par keesio74, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:26 .

[Nirvana_Dest]

I thought it was great !! I've been playing DA every day since its release, so 3 months of play out of 1 game is pretty damn good in my eyes. 59.95 / 90 days = .66/day! The "free" down loadable content is just icing on the cake. Sure you can buy the points for 5.00 or actually play the game and earn the achievements and get the DLC like it says "free"!



The unanswered questions, the missing links to why this or that happened was very good. I did, however, feel the difficulty was way to low, however just switch options and crank it up a notch or two



I am anxiously awaiting "The Awakneing"!

[KigenBarzhad]

I completely disagree with the original poster, I felt like RTO was worth it for me. I got way more out of it (in terms of gameplay, story, experience, etc.) then say Warden's Keep. Then again I also went in with Wynne and Alistair in my party. This makes a difference imo - the banter, their thoughts, etc.enhanced the experience.

[Nirvana_Dest]

I had been doing "Paragon of her Kind" with my super team "My CC Mage, Morrigan as DPS Mage, Wynn as healer and Leliana on DPS" all of us on haste when I got the RTO availability notice so I started with that team. However, part way through I swapped out Morrigan for Alistair. I may sound weird but I wanted Alistair there for the revenge we were going to deal out to the Dark Spawn!

[dalethfc]

ZeroR3D wrote...

dalethfc wrote...

Here we go again.
The whinging cheap skates "It's Not Worth $5"
"The gear aint worth it."
Then "The cost per length" saga.

It is simple,,, Buy It or Dont. There are so many threads made by scrooges,, most of us buy it/will buy it because it adds to the STORY, which is what DA:O is,,, Yes,, thats right,, a STORY, and $5 (£3.15p)(E 3.89)(Prices at time of writing) is loose change. And it is replayable,, over and over, character after character.

It's all relative.  The actual amount itself is insignificant, it's the value that's exchanged that differs.  Value is subjective, what's worth $5 to you may not be worth $5 to another.  Also remember the OP is talking using MS points.  There are some pretty good full arcade games or DLC for other games for 400MS points. 

Personally, I think the wait time more than anything really decreased the RtO's value.  If they had released it on time, i wouldn't have felt as unsatisfied by the lack of content.  That being said, at least it's not $2 horse armor.

If you want free stuff,, theres plenty of FPS's around that can keep you and your pocket money happy.

What the hell does that even mean??

If you need it explaining then your not worth bothering with.

And dont even start with this "It's all Relative" lark,, that has been done to death. And if their sooooo concerned about their points,, as I said,, Go play something else,,, it's quite simple,,

nuff said,,, back to Excellent Game,,

[ZeroR3D]

dalethfc wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

dalethfc wrote...

Here we go again.
The whinging cheap skates "It's Not Worth $5"
"The gear aint worth it."
Then "The cost per length" saga.

It is simple,,, Buy It or Dont. There are so many threads made by scrooges,, most of us buy it/will buy it because it adds to the STORY, which is what DA:O is,,, Yes,, thats right,, a STORY, and $5 (£3.15p)(E 3.89)(Prices at time of writing) is loose change. And it is replayable,, over and over, character after character.

It's all relative.  The actual amount itself is insignificant, it's the value that's exchanged that differs.  Value is subjective, what's worth $5 to you may not be worth $5 to another.  Also remember the OP is talking using MS points.  There are some pretty good full arcade games or DLC for other games for 400MS points. 

Personally, I think the wait time more than anything really decreased the RtO's value.  If they had released it on time, i wouldn't have felt as unsatisfied by the lack of content.  That being said, at least it's not $2 horse armor.

If you want free stuff,, theres plenty of FPS's around that can keep you and your pocket money happy.

What the hell does that even mean??

If you need it explaining then your not worth bothering with.

Yeah, it's hard explaining yourself when you're full of crap.

And dont even start with this "It's all Relative" lark,, that has been done to death. And if their sooooo concerned about their points,, as I said,, Go play something else,,, it's quite simple,,

nuff said,,, back to Excellent Game,,

You make it sound like his opinion on the value of RtO is ruining your game experience or something.  Here's a novel idea for you:

If more people state their dissatisfaction for what they are paying for, maybe Bioware will think to offer more next time they release DLC.  Why would you want to stand against that?

[Wookielad]

I dont have any issues with the price, but lets be honest, there just wasn't anything particularly challenging about this content. Halfway through I even bumped the difficulty higher in the hopes of making this a bit tougher, but it didn't really help much.

I am very grateful that the Devs support these games after release and give us new content to experience beyond what we bought off the shelf, but If you are going to put out DLC and charge for it, no matter how reasonable the price, then all I ask is for the gameplay to at least be interesting and maybe require some problem solving to overcome. At the very least, please have an end boss that might actually pose a challenge and take more then 30 seconds to kill. The last battle really dissappointed me here.

Modifié par Wookielad, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:49 .

[Mr. Nefarius]

Wookielad wrote...
I am very grateful that the Devs support these games after release and give us new content to experience beyond what we bought off the shelf, but If you are going to put out DLC and charge for it, no matter how reasonable the price, then all I ask is for the gameplay to at least be interesting and maybe require some problem solving to overcome. At the very least, please have an end boss that might actually pose a challenge and take more then 30 seconds to kill. The last battle really dissappointed me here.

 

100% agree with Wookie.  It is wonderful to see support from the devs.  However, waiting months for a quick 10 minute escapade that barely gets your pulse up is bad, (now I know what my date felt like on Prom Night).

I would like to mention that I am very happy that our beloved sissy boy Allaistar got some closure to Cailin's death....seeing him strung up there was oh so very touching.  

Modifié par Mr. Nefarius, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:17 .

[DomiiMai]

People just wants something to complain about.

Let them at it, I'd say. Let them dwell on the smallest things; such as something as small as a game's downloads content. Pretty pathetic really.

I on the otherhand Look forward to it. Regardless how small it is.

I look forward into getting it for PS3.

[DJ0000]

I play on PS3 so I haven't got it but I thought Warden's Keep was a little steep but having played through Origins and therefore Warden's Keep 5 or 6 times, I think a lot of the value of these dlc's is in replayability, like the rest of the game.



Also, at least you get to play RTO, us on PS3 still don't know when we will get it.

[AmstradHero]

This thread is simply a rehash of the same thread that was seen for Warden's Keep.



Would people like to see slightly more content for their dollar? Yes

Are some people happy with RtO? Yes

Are costs relative? Yes



Take the movie comparison. Here in Australia, we pay about $15 to see a movie, which on average lasts about 2 hours. I paid $120 for my Dragon Age Collector's Edition (without a nice tin box/cloth map, i might add), which on my first playthrough lasted me about 75 hours.

So I pay $7.5 per hour of movie, compared to 62.5 cents per hour of Dragon Age. Now say RtO costs about $7 (which it will after international money costs, yawn), and takes me an hour to complete, RtO is still slightly cheaper than the movie per hour of entertainment.



Or I could compare it to say, Modern Warfare 2, which costs around $100 and provides me 5 hours of single player entertainment, and then multiplayer content... oh, wait MW2 multiplayer is basically the same as MW multiplayer so I won't bother... making $20 per hour of 'entertainment'. But I digress.



Everyone wants their dollar to go further, and people are complaining because the amount of money they're paying per hour of gametime for the DLC is significantly lower than that for the original game. That's the way things are - if you don't like, vote with your wallet and don't buy it.



Of course, if you're on PC, you get free user made DLC.

[wwwwowwww]

Solica wrote...

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Depending on what you bought it for will determine how well you like it. My younger brother complained the same thing when he watched me beat it in like 25 minutes or so with my level 20+ character. But I didn't play or get this for achievements or for some epic journey. I got this for finality. It's for the story of the game. The game feels more complete after having done RtO. Whether you feel that way or not is your own opinion, and you're entitled to it. But putting Cailan up in flames a la Darth Vader in ROTJ felt pretty good. While I do think it's unfortunate that we had to pay extra for this because I think this should have been in the game, it is what it is. And to the gripers about not finding "Duncan's Body". How many other body's do you even find in the game? 90% of the bodies in the game turn to a pile of bones/blood within seconds of you looting the corpse. Is it so inconceivable to think that this happened to Duncan? He's dead people, get used to it, and if you need to see a body to realize he's dead, then you probably think Jimmy Hoffa's still alive too. Although I admit, it would have been nice to have his armor. :-p

So Duncan's still alive after all, eh.  ...Well I'll be damned...   ... I could have sworn I was meant to see that darkspawn chop off his head.

Well you saw more than me then, cuz I just saw one running up to him with its axe pulled back then it went white

[dalethfc]

AmstradHero wrote...

This thread is simply a rehash of the same thread that was seen for Warden's Keep.

Would people like to see slightly more content for their dollar? Yes
Are some people happy with RtO? Yes
Are costs relative? Yes

Take the movie comparison. Here in Australia, we pay about $15 to see a movie, which on average lasts about 2 hours. I paid $120 for my Dragon Age Collector's Edition (without a nice tin box/cloth map, i might add), which on my first playthrough lasted me about 75 hours.
So I pay $7.5 per hour of movie, compared to 62.5 cents per hour of Dragon Age. Now say RtO costs about $7 (which it will after international money costs, yawn), and takes me an hour to complete, RtO is still slightly cheaper than the movie per hour of entertainment.

Or I could compare it to say, Modern Warfare 2, which costs around $100 and provides me 5 hours of single player entertainment, and then multiplayer content... oh, wait MW2 multiplayer is basically the same as MW multiplayer so I won't bother... making $20 per hour of 'entertainment'. But I digress.

Everyone wants their dollar to go further, and people are complaining because the amount of money they're paying per hour of gametime for the DLC is significantly lower than that for the original game. That's the way things are - if you don't like, vote with your wallet and don't buy it.

Of course, if you're on PC, you get free user made DLC.

But some who cant fathom this out and just say we're full of crap.
But they are the ones who repeat the same rubbish over and over. But you notice that some have both
the games. So no doubt they will cry about the next DLC for either Game.
RtO was great ,, adds to the game to.
Nice Mod you did to Hero  great fun as usual

[ladydesire]

ZeroR3D wrote...


You make it sound like his opinion on the value of RtO is ruining your game experience or something.  Here's a novel idea for you:

If more people state their dissatisfaction for what they are paying for,

There is nothing wrong with people stating their disatisfaction; after all, isn't that how game developers improve games?

maybe Bioware will think to offer more next time they release DLC.  Why would you want to stand against that?

What about the story that Bioware might want to tell in a particular DLC? Don't they have a right to decide how much content in a give DLC relates to the story they want to tell? Why do people insist that the DLC has to meet the players standards and not Bioware's? I would far rather get a DLC pack that the developers were happy to produce than one that they felt pressured into creating "to please the players".

[Merci357]

I don't get it...



Yes, I agree, RtO is a bit shallow. Not bad at all, but not as fleshed out as I hoped. Wynne/Alistair had some strange banter, that felt misplaced; but I have to take Loghain there, maybe he has some better lines.



But seriously, someone complaining about the loot in a single player RPG? And stating the pointless achievement for it is it's saving grace? -.-



It adds a little bit of extra story, that's all I care about - and when played at the appropriate level (and not with lvl20+ like I did, sadly the darkspawn don't scale for "highlevel" characters, so no challenge at all) it'll last a while.

[SusanStoHelit]

I just finished it with my first character, straight out of Lothering. It was great, I decided to do it that way instead of with a high level character. It wasn't too easy, we were all in low level beginner armour with low level weapons and not very many talents or spells.



A couple of the fights, I ended up with a team member or 2 dead. But no party wipes. Took a couple of hours. The loot looks lovely from this viewpoint. And I can raise it to t7 when I level up later.



For the price, I could've bought a cup of coffee and a cookie - which would've been gone in 10 minutes. And which I couldn't have 10 more people eat and drink. I've got 10 more characters I can run through RtO. Well worth the cost.



I can see why someone with a level 20 character would go 'meh' at the loot, maybe (just maybe). I can't even equip some of it yet - goodies for the future.

[spirosz]

This was actually my favourite DLC for Dragon Age so far, just because of the whole atmosphere of it made it seem epic for my taste at least.