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[vallix]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

You need to have given each character their personal upgrade, such as Mordin's omni-tool and have upgraded them enough. you do not need all upgrades but he survived just fine with everything but the final omni-tool squad boost. try taking him with you, also a party member can be eaten during the swarm part if you do not use Samara or Jack.

That's not true, you people need to stop throwing out things like this as if its a fact. I never once upgraded anything for Mordin and he survived my mission.

[RandomPot322]

vallix wrote...

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

You need to have given each character their personal upgrade, such as Mordin's omni-tool and have upgraded them enough. you do not need all upgrades but he survived just fine with everything but the final omni-tool squad boost. try taking him with you, also a party member can be eaten during the swarm part if you do not use Samara or Jack.

That's not true, you people need to stop throwing out things like this as if its a fact. I never once upgraded anything for Mordin and he survived my mission.

I'm pretty sure I did my upgrade for the guy I lost.
Hell, I had his loyalty and everything. I wish I knew the factors. Almost makes me want to buy the guide.

[Pastorbullfrog]

I know it's been said that it's possible to keep Mordin alive without taking him on the final mission, but it doesn't hurt to try it. the exact same thing happened to me - had all the upgrades, everyone was loyal, and a cutscene had Moradin lying dead at the end. I reloaded, took him with me for the final battle, and everyone came out alive.



I know it's not everyone's experience, but there might be some other factor as well. Give it a try and see.

[chelseaisthepan]

Just replayed the final mission, and I brought Mordin along with me instead of Thane. No casualities this time. Got the achievement too



I guess you have to bring him along..? Or maybe it's just a random kind of thing?

[Ryanubet]

i lost Legion and Zaeed but the thing is it was my fault when someone dies its because put them in one of the rolls like team leader teck specialist or biotic who holds the barrier for you its all about how you do it if your specialist gets stuck in the pipe (at all like if he tells you something is in his way) he/she will die and the rest is if you take to long to do something

Modifié par Ryanubet, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:00 .

[MA5Bergey]

Serogon wrote...

It's strange, but it seems that if you don't take Mordin with you to the last fight he'll always die. Sort of makes sense, he's not really a straight up fighter, he wouldn't fare well in the situation you left him in.

I had Miranda and Jack as my squadmates the entire time, and neither Mordin nor anyone else on my team died.  It's all about the upgrades and who you assign to what job.

I had Garrus as second team leader both times, Legion as my tech specialist, Morinth as my biotic specialist, Jack and Miranda as my squadmates, and Zaeed, Thane, Tali, Mordin, Wrex, and Jacob as my leftovers.  I didn't send anyone back with Kelly and Chakwas, but everyone on my team survived.  So you definitely can not take Mordin and still not kill him.

[p0mt3]

I'm telling you, the game is randomized at the end! That's the only explanation for why so many people are losing guys despite making all the right choices.
Has anyone actually replayed the final mission from the same save file with the same decisions yet to see if the same people die? If not, then there is your answer.

Modifié par p0mt3, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:11 .

[Pastorbullfrog]

MA5Bergey wrote...

I had Miranda and Jack as my squadmates the entire time, and neither Mordin nor anyone else on my team died.  It's all about the upgrades and who you assign to what job.

I realize it's not strictly necessary to take Mordin with you, but this statement is innacurate.  My first attempt, I HAD all the upgrades and assigned the right people.  Second attempt, the only thing I did differently was taken Mordin on the final leg, and everyone got out alive.  There's obviously some X factor we're not aware of.

[Ryanubet]

p0mt3 wrote...

I'm telling you, the game is randomized at the end! That's the only explanation for why so many people are losing guys despite making all the right choices.
Has anyone actually replayed the final mission from the same save file with the same decisions yet to see if the same people die? If not, then there is your answer.

the only reason that works is because on your first playthrew everyone takes there time we make mistakes we dont know where we are going so the set conditions that are needed to keep people alive arn't always meet so someone dies the second time you go threw you know what your doing so it goes alot better

[Pastorbullfrog]

Ryanubet wrote...

p0mt3 wrote...

I'm telling you, the game is randomized at the end! That's the only explanation for why so many people are losing guys despite making all the right choices.
Has anyone actually replayed the final mission from the same save file with the same decisions yet to see if the same people die? If not, then there is your answer.

the only reason that works is because on your first playthrew everyone takes there time we make mistakes we dont know where we are going so the set conditions that are needed to keep people alive arn't always meet so someone dies the second time you go threw you know what your doing so it goes alot better

False.  And stop universalizing your experience.

[p0mt3]

Ryanubet wrote...

p0mt3 wrote...

I'm telling you, the game is randomized at the end! That's the only explanation for why so many people are losing guys despite making all the right choices.
Has anyone actually replayed the final mission from the same save file with the same decisions yet to see if the same people die? If not, then there is your answer.

the only reason that works is because on your first playthrew everyone takes there time we make mistakes we dont know where we are going so the set conditions that are needed to keep people alive arn't always meet so someone dies the second time you go threw you know what your doing so it goes alot better

You've apparently missed my point entirely. People who have made the same character decisions/upgrades seem to be having different outcomes from one another. People who have entire team loyalty and appropriate specialist decisions still lose people as well. So making the right choices seems to have not as much to do with it as the game simply making random decisions for you. I was simply wondering if anybody had played the same exact save game ending twice to see if they got different results despite their choices not changing.

We also need to take into account that how long you take on any given aspect of the mission may also affect your squad's survival rate. Any number of factors could be involved, here.

[Sursion]

RandomPot322 wrote...

vallix wrote...

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

You need to have given each character their personal upgrade, such as Mordin's omni-tool and have upgraded them enough. you do not need all upgrades but he survived just fine with everything but the final omni-tool squad boost. try taking him with you, also a party member can be eaten during the swarm part if you do not use Samara or Jack.

That's not true, you people need to stop throwing out things like this as if its a fact. I never once upgraded anything for Mordin and he survived my mission.

I'm pretty sure I did my upgrade for the guy I lost.
Hell, I had his loyalty and everything. I wish I knew the factors. Almost makes me want to buy the guide.

Don't bother with guides. I'm pretty sure it's random. The only upgrades I had were for the ship, and everyone survived. That, or I'm just incredibly lucky.

[MA5Bergey]

Pastorbullfrog wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

I had Miranda and Jack as my squadmates the entire time, and neither Mordin nor anyone else on my team died.  It's all about the upgrades and who you assign to what job.

I realize it's not strictly necessary to take Mordin with you, but this statement is innacurate.  My first attempt, I HAD all the upgrades and assigned the right people.  Second attempt, the only thing I did differently was taken Mordin on the final leg, and everyone got out alive.  There's obviously some X factor we're not aware of.

Like I said:  It's all about upgrades and who you assign for what job.  Mordin died when you left him on the second team, and he survived when you didn't.  Just like who you put in the vents changes everything, and who leads your second team changes everything.

[J e s s e]

Tali was the only one who died for me. Took a rocket to the face after the first door refused to close. Wasn't happy about that, but I pressed on. Gonna try to get everyone through alive in my next run.

[p0mt3]

jonin17 wrote...

Tali was the only one who died for me. Took a rocket to the face after the first door refused to close. Wasn't happy about that, but I pressed on. Gonna try to get everyone through alive in my next run.

Same exact experience for me. Was she loyal to you, or no?

[ToshiStation38]

In the 4 Guys 1UP from Tuesday I remember Casey saying that the way that who lives and dies is decided is extremely complex, and likely no one on the development team could recite the exact conditions on their own.

[Ryanubet]

p0mt3 wrote...

Ryanubet wrote...

p0mt3 wrote...

I'm telling you, the game is randomized at the end! That's the only explanation for why so many people are losing guys despite making all the right choices.
Has anyone actually replayed the final mission from the same save file with the same decisions yet to see if the same people die? If not, then there is your answer.

the only reason that works is because on your first playthrew everyone takes there time we make mistakes we dont know where we are going so the set conditions that are needed to keep people alive arn't always meet so someone dies the second time you go threw you know what your doing so it goes alot better

You've apparently missed my point entirely. People who have made the same character decisions/upgrades seem to be having different outcomes from one another. People who have entire team loyalty and appropriate specialist decisions still lose people as well. So making the right choices seems to have not as much to do with it as the game simply making random decisions for you. I was simply wondering if anybody had played the same exact save game ending twice to see if they got different results despite their choices not changing.

We also need to take into account that how long you take on any given aspect of the mission may also affect your squad's survival rate. Any number of factors could be involved, here.

i know it doesnt matter who you put where it depends on how fast you do any set point of the final mission i think if you have done a peson's personal upgrade it gives them a little more time to live but it all comes down to speed not who you choose to do the parts though i dont know but diffrent people in diffrent parts might give you more time but its your timing not who you send and what upgrades you have Loyalty effects it somewhat to but im sure loyalty effects your jump to the normady maby more maby less

[TheYanger]

Remember, they're also affected by who you choose for the other relevant roles during that segment. I had Legion die because I had Samara leading the first fire team, presumably (Legion was loyal, solved his tali argument with full paragon stuff, had his upgrades, etc), similarly Mordin could be dying during that last battle because of who you have leading the squad, rather than anything else. Or who else is there with him, or whatever.

I had NOT purchased personal upgrades for Mordin or Jack, had Samara as my biotic specialist, Legion as my tunnel rat, Mordin escorting my crew back to the Normandy, Samara led first fire team, Garrus led second, took Miranda and Grunt with me the entire time, and only Legion died. Again, I believe that's because Samara was leading the other team, rather than because of upgrades.

[p0mt3]

I personally don't like the idea of everyone in my squad surviving, anyway. I know for a fact during my final, pre-ME 3 playthrough, I'm going to try to have at least one person die. It just . . . makes sense, y'know? It's war. Not just war, but against a powerful, barely known race of alien that we aren't completely prepared for. Everybody living through it seems quite unrealistic and lame from a story standpoint.

[Sursion]

p0mt3 wrote...

I personally don't like the idea of everyone in my squad surviving, anyway. I know for a fact during my final, pre-ME 3 playthrough, I'm going to try to have at least one person die. It just . . . makes sense, y'know? It's war. Not just war, but against a powerful, barely known race of alien that we aren't completely prepared for. Everybody living through it seems quite unrealistic and lame from a story standpoint.

I'm split on the decision. It's not like I want the entire crew to die. I think it's awesome that we all survived, and now we can brag about how badass we are. But at the same time, it would of been really emotional and a great story if some people didn't make it. When you spend 32 hours + with your squad, you get attached.

[rhagen1]

 I had the same situation as the OP.  When I saw that Mordin died, I loaded a previous save and purchased a lot more upgrades.  The second time through everyone survived.  I think Mordin dying (or just one or two random people in the last section of the fight) has to do with amount of upgrades you have.  

Assuming you have all loyalty missions completed, all Normandy upgrades completed, you choose the appropriate leaders and specialists, and a have a large amount of the upgrades, I think you will come out completely intact.

[Majordribble]

Everyone survived my run, I made Tali do the Tunnels, Jack was my Girl for the shield while I worked my way to the doors, and Garrus was my squad leader both times as he has lots of combat experience as a leader.

I chose Legion to help the injured crew members back to the ship.

All were loyal.

PS: Garrus did take a hit to the chest at one point but he shook it off and kept going.

Modifié par Majordribble, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:38 .

[J e s s e]

p0mt3 wrote...

jonin17 wrote...

Tali was the only one who died for me. Took a rocket to the face after the first door refused to close. Wasn't happy about that, but I pressed on. Gonna try to get everyone through alive in my next run.

Same exact experience for me. Was she loyal to you, or no?

Yeah, she was.  The entire group was loyal.

[p0mt3]

jonin17 wrote...

p0mt3 wrote...

jonin17 wrote...

Tali was the only one who died for me. Took a rocket to the face after the first door refused to close. Wasn't happy about that, but I pressed on. Gonna try to get everyone through alive in my next run.

Same exact experience for me. Was she loyal to you, or no?

Yeah, she was.  The entire group was loyal.

Okay. For me, she wasn't loyal due to the fact that I chose to expose her father. Seems loyalty has very little to do with it, either.