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[GodWood]

Dave of Canada wrote...
I wasn't able to recruit her without wondering to myself, "How is this Renegade?". The entire thing about saving her honestly felt dark-side and not "The end justify the means".

Well if your primarily renegade Samara does say that if she runs into you after the mission she will kill you.
You could see it as removing a future enemy, so in reality its not mindlessly evil.

If your paragon and recruit Morinth...well, theres no logical explanation I can think of for that.

[Terraneaux]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

Morinth is better than Samara because she's not a stuck up **** about her code.

Apparently murdering people for sadistic pleasure isn't as bad as following some sort of code. Interesting priorities.

I think Samara gets pleasure out of what she does.  She seems like she gets self-righteous satisfaction out of it.  

[The Angry One]

Serial killers often put together little "codes" for their own conduct...

[GodWood]

Habelo wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...
Shepard is easily the most powerful. He takes more damage and does more damage than anyone else on the squad. Biotics barely do anything to him/her and he is "remarkably strong-willed." All the other characters have some serious combat weaknesses.

Rofl dont tell me you actually believe gameplay is a measurement of a characters strength?

Wait... So achievments doesnt count, gameplay doesnt count, What does? 
I actually rofled at the rofl. Ty for another rofl that i made while i saw the irony. that is x3 rofl's. Rofl.

I think you don't understand, let me explain.

Lets use Jack as an example, when you go to recruit her she blasts her way through multiple walls and destroys Purgatory entirely, Jack is a very powerful biotic.
When you use Jack in combat however she only has Shockwave and pull.

Jack obviously plot wise can do more then 2 things with her biotics thus proving that gameplay strength does not equal actual character's strength.

[Bogsnot1]

Akeashar wrote...

I'm still hoping they add more Renegade +
Paragon points in with some of the DLC so that I get the option for
getting Morinth onside with my 75/25 Renegade. *grumbles about
Infiltrators not getting the passive reputation buffs*

Re-spec your skill points prior to the mission to max out paragon/renegade, then re-spec back to normal once finished.

GodWood wrote...I think you don't understand, let me explain.

Lets use Jack as an example, when you go to recruit her she blasts her way through multiple walls and destroys Purgatory entirely, Jack is a very powerful biotic.
When you use Jack in combat however she only has Shockwave and pull.

Jack obviously plot wise can do more then 2 things with her biotics thus proving that gameplay strength does not equal actual character's strength.

Samara flies in the cutscenes, but doesnt in game. Its this little thing called poetic licence.

[Terraneaux]

GodWood wrote...
Jack obviously plot wise can do more then 2 things with her biotics thus proving that gameplay strength does not equal actual character's strength.

Plot wise a War Hero Shepard held off an entire enemy platoon, back when he/she was just getting started, and then proceeded to 'almost single-handedly repel the enemy attack.'  If you're an adept, you did this with biotics.  Honestly, I think that's on par with Jack, and that was like 7 years or so before ME2, and Shep has only gotten stronger since then.  It's also on record that Shep was the *only* biotic to spike higher than L2-implanted biotics with the more controlled, toned down L3's.  So yeah, I think Shep is definitely a match for Jack or Samara just based on biotics, and when you lump in tactical knowledge, leadership, weapons training, and the ability to be so persuasive that you can convince someone to kill themselves in the middle of a firefight, I think he/she could take both of them at once.

[Lmaoboat]

Terraneaux wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...



Morinth is better than Samara because she's not a stuck up **** about her code.

Apparently murdering people for sadistic pleasure isn't as bad as following some sort of code. Interesting priorities.

I think Samara gets pleasure out of what she does. She seems like she gets self-righteous satisfaction out of it.

Which makes sense since she's supposed to be a space-paladin.

[GodWood]

Terraneaux wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Jack obviously plot wise can do more then 2 things with her biotics thus proving that gameplay strength does not equal actual character's strength.

Plot wise a War Hero Shepard held off an entire enemy platoon, back when he/she was just getting started, and then proceeded to 'almost single-handedly repel the enemy attack.'  If you're an adept, you did this with biotics.  Honestly, I think that's on par with Jack, and that was like 7 years or so before ME2, and Shep has only gotten stronger since then.  It's also on record that Shep was the *only* biotic to spike higher than L2-implanted biotics with the more controlled, toned down L3's.  So yeah, I think Shep is definitely a match for Jack or Samara just based on biotics, and when you lump in tactical knowledge, leadership, weapons training, and the ability to be so persuasive that you can convince someone to kill themselves in the middle of a firefight, I think he/she could take both of them at once.

I'm sorry but Jack simply the more powerful biotic, even the Mass Effect wikia agrees:
"Jack's rampage during the escape from Purgatory is the best display of her extremely powerful biotic abilities. She easily destroys four YMIR MECHS and rips gaping holes in the prison walls. No other biotics have shown this type of ability in the Mass Effect universe, therefore Jack could arguably be the most powerful (yet erratic) biotic in the galaxy"

Just because Shepard's the hero of the game that doesn't make him/her stronger than everyone else.

Modifié par GodWood, 04 mars 2010 - 08:07 .

[The Angry One]

That wiki makes a lot of assumptions. It should really be relatively easy for any worthwhile biotic to mess with the internals of a YMIR and rip it apart. It isn't done in gameplay.. well because it's gameplay. Jack can't do it in gameplay either.

Same goes for the walls. Plus Jack didn't bring purgatory down alone, the ensuing riot from her escape brought it down.

[GodWood]

The Angry One wrote...

That wiki makes a lot of assumptions. It should really be relatively easy for any worthwhile biotic to mess with the internals of a YMIR and rip it apart. It isn't done in gameplay.. well because it's gameplay. Jack can't do it in gameplay either.
Same goes for the walls. Plus Jack didn't bring purgatory down alone, the ensuing riot from her escape brought it down.

Wait so what is your actual opinion from this post...?
Gameplay strength doesn't equal a character's actual strength (what I was saying)
or
Jack (or Samara) isn't more powerful then Shepard biotically (what I was disagreeing with)

[Terraneaux]

GodWood wrote...
I'm sorry but Jack simply the more powerful biotic, even the Mass Effect wikia agrees:
"Jack's rampage during the escape from Purgatory is the best display of her extremely powerful biotic abilities. She easily destroys four YMIR MECHS and rips gaping holes in the prison walls. No other biotics have shown this type of ability in the Mass Effect universe, therefore Jack could arguably be the most powerful (yet erratic) biotic in the galaxy"

Just because Shepard's the hero of the game that doesn't make him/her stronger than everyone else.

The ME wiki is not actually canon.  In any case, it's up for debate as to what is harder to take down, 4 YMIRs or a small army of Batarians.  No one else has done what War Hero Adept Shep did with Biotics, either.  

[GodWood]

Terraneaux wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I'm sorry but Jack simply the more powerful biotic, even the Mass Effect wikia agrees:
"Jack's rampage during the escape from Purgatory is the best display of her extremely powerful biotic abilities. She easily destroys four YMIR MECHS and rips gaping holes in the prison walls. No other biotics have shown this type of ability in the Mass Effect universe, therefore Jack could arguably be the most powerful (yet erratic) biotic in the galaxy"

Just because Shepard's the hero of the game that doesn't make him/her stronger than everyone else.

The ME wiki is not actually canon.  In any case, it's up for debate as to what is harder to take down, 4 YMIRs or a small army of Batarians.  No one else has done what War Hero Adept Shep did with Biotics, either.  

The wiki is in fact canon as its just information gathered from the codex, the game and the characters, it never specifies what choices are the correct or right ones it simply explains the lore of the game.
And War Hero Shepard doesn't take down no army of batarians single handedly, he rally's a bunch of colonists to defend their home from a slaver attack, the enemy eventually breaks through and Shepard holds them off till help arrives.
It is an impressive feat but it doesn't make him stronger than any other biotic.

Modifié par GodWood, 04 mars 2010 - 09:21 .

[Terraneaux]

GodWood wrote...
]The wiki is in fact canon as its just information gathered from the codex, the game and the characters, it never specifies what choices are the correct or right ones it simply explains the lore of the game.
And War Hero Shepard doesn't take down no army of batarians single handedly, he rally's a bunch of colonists to defend their home from a slaver attack, the enemy eventually breaks through and Shepard holds them off till help arrives.
It is an impressive feat but it doesn't make him stronger than any other biotic.

If you're going by the wiki, that's what it says.  War Hero Shep takes down a small army of Batarians almost single-handedly.  

[GodWood]

Terraneaux wrote...

GodWood wrote...
]The wiki is in fact canon as its just information gathered from the codex, the game and the characters, it never specifies what choices are the correct or right ones it simply explains the lore of the game.
And War Hero Shepard doesn't take down no army of batarians single handedly, he rally's a bunch of colonists to defend their home from a slaver attack, the enemy eventually breaks through and Shepard holds them off till help arrives.
It is an impressive feat but it doesn't make him stronger than any other biotic.

If you're going by the wiki, that's what it says.  War Hero Shep takes down a small army of Batarians almost single-handedly.  

-sigh-

"You were on shore leave at Elysium when the first wave of the Skyllian Blitz struck. A massive coalition force of slavers, crime syndicates, and batarian warlords attacked the human colony, determined to wipe it out.
You rallied the civilian inhabitants, leading them in their desperate fight to hold off the invaders. When enemy troops broke through the colony's defenses, you single-handedly HELD THEM OFF and sealed the breach.
After hours of brutal fighting, reinforcements finally arrived and the enemy broke ranks and fled. Because of your actions, Elysium was saved, and you are regarded throughout the Alliance as a true hero. "

Taking down a group of slavers and holding off a group of slavers are two completely different things.
This proves Shepard is a quick thinker and resourceful, but not the most powerful biotic in the galaxy (if Shepard was that'd just be silly)

[Ashira Shepard]

Just to interject, for Morinth lovers, this is under "Coming Up - Possibilities - Maybes" on my fanfiction profile:

Title - Pariah
Category - Mass Effect
Genre - Romance/Tragedy Also Angst and Drama
Characters - Morinth x OC
Rating - T
Summary - “Evil is a relative term…even a monster can have a heart.”
Just so its crystal clear, I have no intention of ending this story happily; I aim to bring fourth tears, even just a little bit of sniffling.

Personally, I love Samara far too much to betray her, but the concept of "humanizing" a character got to me. Granted, the OC is -not- Shepard, as my version of her is head-over-heels for Samara.
Side note - First chapter is done, but I have a lot of writing to do on other stories, so haven't posted it yet, hence the lack of a link. Will take a while to finish, she isn't easy to write. Please don't see the genre and assume this will be a weak emo-fest, I want to do my very best with this one.

[ZeroISHere]

I don't find recruiting morinth to be a renegade choice . Because in a sense you're giving her a second chance .

[Ashira Shepard]

I was hoping someone would show interest, to be honest I need help. The interaction between Ali'sha (oc) and Morinth are...challenging. But that was my point anyway, wanted a challenge and made one.*grumbles*

So if anyone has pointers?

Gist of the story so far, Ali'sha is a Talinth (new species like the recent Drell but look more like a feline/human cross - catgirls. More serious than it intially sounds) biotic warrior incapacitated from a previous civil war (lung wound that causes her life to shorten if she over exerts herself) and she is living on Omega. Because of her unique skills, she's under the employ of Aria; and charged with keeping an eye on Morinth to make sure she doesn't cause trouble. (i.e - kill anyone of particular importance to Aria)

Just to point out - I don't intend for Ali'sha to die because of Morinth; that would be too easy and far too obvious.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 14 mars 2010 - 04:49 .

[Gammalfarmor]

I am planing to play adept again in my 3 play and I wonder, is it possible to tell her no when she asks  if you want to have sex?

Modifié par Gammalfarmor, 20 mars 2010 - 11:12 .

[Firmijn]

Dexter Morgan would not approve of Morinth

[HomicidialFrog]

ZeroISHere wrote...

I don't find recruiting morinth to be a renegade choice . Because in a sense you're giving her a second chance .

It's always nice to give someone a second chance to kill people again who has no conscience thus likely to never ever ever no matter how much you try will experience guilt or remorse and of course kills for sadistic pleasure and also betray someone that swore an oath to you and is likely to do alot of good for the world by killing people that spread injustice across the Galaxy and is so determined to stay by that oath and her code she literally commits everything she has to make the Galaxy a better place and to repay the Galaxy for what she's done in the past, right?

[thegreateski]

This thread is funny because "Morinth love" will kill you.

[Wild Still]

TaliZorah wrote...

HA, I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

I'd said back then "Hey, Liara raped my Shepard in front of my whole crew!" and everybody was like "NAAA, she didn't"

YES, she did! Evil ****!

Ho-lee sheeit, you're right, that little blue minx was totally shagging Shepard stupid right in the conference room.

DURING A CONFERENCE!

BRAIN RAPE FTW!

[Notho]

DarchAngelDavid wrote...

Kreidian wrote...

TaliZorah wrote...

agrue wrote...

Ararara wrote...

SPOILER

Well, she will say how since you were able to withstand the beacon, you'd be able to withstand her. She'll hug you and say embrace eternity with an evil look on her face, then you'll choke and fall to the ground dead.

Which implies that in ME1 when Liara was "helping you" with the Prothean visions, she was actually having sex with you. In front of the rest of the crew. Without your knowledge.

HA, I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

I'd said back then "Hey, Liara raped my Shepard in front of my whole crew!" and everybody was like "NAAA, she didn't"

YES, she did! Evil ****!

I'm not sure about that, the phrase "can't rape the willing" comes to mind. 

This would also mean that you had sex with the other Asari on Feros that you freed from the Thorian. 

Well they do make it clear after you help Feros for the second time in this game that she wants you as well.  I think she might have gotten a taste too.

On another note I find Morinth facinating too and when I do the story as a renegade I am going to pick her up instead.  It will be interesting to experience that convo.

I guess Shep just likes asari tail...

[AwesomeAuger]

Vote for your favorite squad member in this poll. social.bioware.com/1654080/polls/4174/

Doesn't include Tali.

[Harbinger]

I think the "Ardat Yakshi" and "demon of the night winds" comes from the Assyrian/Akkadian Ardad Lili or Ardat Lili (maiden lili), a succubus prostitute who strangled children. She is the equivilent of the Babylonian Lilitu or Lilith as she is popularly known as. Lilitu/Ardat Lili is likewise a wind and night demon. "Lil" means spirit/wind and has connections to night. To further the connection Lilitu is also the word for owls and owl spirits of the same name.

Morinth's sexual appetite and predotory aspects to me further the connections to this night demon. (Lilitu is the infetile beautiful maiden/prostitute who "leads mean astray" [sex of course] in Babylonian texts. She came to men in their erotic dreams and had intercourse with them.) People often avoided and feared them.

Modifié par Harbinger, 03 avril 2010 - 04:07 .