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[EchoTango]

So I just got Grunt on my team.  I know it's been gone over, but with the lack of search, I don't know the answer.

Why on earth did they come up with new team members? A couple ok, but what's the point of trading one Krogan for another? I already had a Krogan buddy named Wrex.  My favourite (Garrus) is back so that's a monumental PLUS, but it would've been nice to have the old squad back.

Now I'm not fully aware of video game development, maybe there are rules that they know things like the same characters don't work in a sequel (like movie "rules" that succesful directors follow).  But the way I see it is, ME is one of the most cinematic games ever conceived.  If you look at movie sequels, it only detracts from it if the original cast isn't all there.  So why change it all up for ME2??

[Indraugnir Caledor]

The main part of ME2 takes place 2 years after the destruction of the Normandy and so most of the original squad has moved on with their lives (by choice or otherwise).
or something along those lines.

[Lycid]

Because old members thought Shepard died and moved on.

[DK_DOOM]

BioWare doesn't see it as one krogan member and another krogan member. Wrex and Grunt are two completely different (and thus, differently entertaining) characters that just happen to be krogan. You wouldn't say they replaced Ashley with Miranda as the human female, would you? Probably not, because they are two completely different characters.



I am always skeptical when stuff like KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 or ME1 and ME2 are first being shown and you see an almost universally different cast. I felt ME1's characters were pretty good and well developed but ME2's cast is all very well developed. You will understand when you play it that just like the game says, it has been years, YEARS since the events of the first game. People have moved on with life, they have adapted and gone further. Besides, I would really get tired if we just had the same squad with one or two added characters in Mass Effect 2.

[Motion Blue]

You've been dead for 2 years. And your team helped kill a Reaper, they will be in high demand. Them waiting around for you to pull a Jesus wouldn't make sense.



Others, like Wrex, have personal stakes to take care of.

[EchoTango]

Actually I do think of Miranda as Ash 2.0

It's like the bond girl, if this keeps up, who will be the generic pretty white human female in ME3? I guess it comes down to the individual's experience. I was (bare with me, I swear I have a normal life) more emotionally invested in the first team. I would love to continue to develop those characters and their ongoing team-ness with Shepard. It's like saying, did you get bored with Sam and Pippin and Aragorn in LOTR2 or 3? Should it have been Frodo and 8 new people?



And it's only been 2 years. I'm coming up on 2 years since I started my current job, and it's flown by. I could easily go back to my old job and feel right back at home and not alien to it at all (pun intended).

[agrue]

Lycid wrote...

Because old members thought Shepard died and moved on.

They "moved on" because Bioware wrote it that way. It's not real. Things only "happen" in the game because someone decides to make it be that way.

[EchoTango]

agrue wrote...

Lycid wrote...

Because old members thought Shepard died and moved on.

They "moved on" because Bioware wrote it that way. It's not real. Things only "happen" in the game because someone decides to make it be that way.

Thank you, I was going to post something like that, but you said it more eloquently than I would've.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I actually felt the same way about Grunt before I met him, but he really is a vastly different character from Wrex. While Wrex is the result of years of experience tied with exceptional strength, Grunt is bred for perfection, the absolute height of Krogan breeding, but with none of the experience to back it up. It would be fun to see who would really win in that fight. Strategically, Grunt probably knows as much as Wrex, he's just never applied it first-hand.



I actually saw Miranda as the new Liara. Maybe not personality-wise, but she definitely was the softer, sneakier one, plus she uses biotics... I think Jack is closer to the new Ash, taking the tough female role and pushing it even further.



Jacob is totally the new Kaidan. Not -quite- as boring but close, and just as useless.

[Branclem]

I was worried about this too at first, but after playing through the game I must say I was very happy with the development of all the new characters (and also happy to see Tali [woo romance] and Garrus join the party again). There were also reasonable explanations for why the original cast couldn't join you at least, and we may see more of them in ME3.

[EG NeoMorph]

Everyone changes... especially after 2 years.

Every character (at least the ones I have come across) in ME2 are well fleshed out imho. They are not like cardboard cuttouts like in other RPGs I have played. Each and every one of them has a past that has made them the way they are... and they are ideal for a suicide mission. It really is the Dirty Dozen in space... The original crew were perfect to take down Saren, the geth and Sovereign. This crew is just meaner and nastier for a meaner and nastier enemy.

You mention Krogan for Krogan... Wrex is a mature Krogan who has been through lots of battles... Grunt on the other hand has only just been "born" as it were... The only knowlege he has is downloaded. I still miss Wrex though...

There are 4 of the original crew of the Normandy on the SR2. only 2 are squad members though... but it makes sense that the destruction of the SR1 and the death of the commander would split the original team as they go on to other things.

I'm definately a Bioware fanboy after this, I can tell you... mind you I was before too... Just now I am a COMPLETE fanboy...

Modifié par EG NeoMorph, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:15 .

[sejmarty]

EchoTango wrote...

Actually I do think of Miranda as Ash 2.0
It's like the bond girl, if this keeps up, who will be the generic pretty white human female in ME3? I guess it comes down to the individual's experience. I was (bare with me, I swear I have a normal life) more emotionally invested in the first team. I would love to continue to develop those characters and their ongoing team-ness with Shepard. It's like saying, did you get bored with Sam and Pippin and Aragorn in LOTR2 or 3? Should it have been Frodo and 8 new people?

And it's only been 2 years. I'm coming up on 2 years since I started my current job, and it's flown by. I could easily go back to my old job and feel right back at home and not alien to it at all (pun intended).

Ash wasn't pretty, and Miranda is way more intelligent and coldhearted (and not a xenophobic hick).  She seems much better-looking than Ashley.

Anyway, Wrex died on some peoples' files.  It would be cutting out a lot of dialogue and a mission if those players simply didn't get Wrex due to their imports.  Ashley would be bad as a squad member in ME2 because they don't want players to all spoil their epic romance endings in ME3 (by losing Ashley in the endgame) if they still want to date her by that point.  I've never not sent her to her death on Virmire, though, and I don't even like Kaiden.

Think of it as a good time for those original cast members to develop and mature, so that they can be more interesting when you meet them again in the next game.  Like how Canderous morphed into Mandalore, and all of his stories about Mandalorian warriors no longer had to be a thing of the past.  It is also a sign of your good influence on Wrex that he wants to go seek out his people.

Modifié par sejmarty, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:24 .

[OutlawJT]

I completely approve of most of your old squad having moved on and being in places where they can't pull themselves away to join you. That's the way it should have been for ME2 because of how the story is written (you know, with you being dead and two years having passed). In ME3, however, I fully expect them to have gotten their own $h1t taken care of so they can rejoin me for the full on war with the Reapers that will be imminent at that point. Or at least, they better be close enough to resolving their own things that I can help them finish it so they can rejoin me for one last uber-mission. I'll be pissed if I can't have Wrex by my side for the final battle with the Reapers.

[EchoTango]

I'm hearing that some people are just fine with no ME1 squad in ME2, but they want it in ME3? What's the difference?
And sejmarty, never occured to me that Wrex could've died, I forgot all about that.  Yeah with that I can see how he had to be sort of written out.  It's gonna be tough to consider all game-changing decisions the further they go.  Has the potential to get real techinical.
...and how dare you speak ill of Ashley



Ok ok I'm starting to kinda see it.  There's really only a couple original crew missing.  But still when I saw Grunt standing there, I just had the thought of why take out Wrex just to put another Krogan in? (yes yes I know they're different)