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[AndreaDraco]

And, if Loghain somehow imagined that such an alliance was being forged, it could also explain why he was so sure that Cailan was a threat to Ferelden indipendence.

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AndreaDraco wrote...

And, if Loghain somehow imagined that such an alliance was being forged, it could also explain why he was so sure that Cailan was a threat to Ferelden indipendence.

If he did have previous inklings of such an alliance, he certainly made a convincing display of incredulous rage at discovering the notes that suggested the same. lol  Burned like a cold flame he did.  Had to laugh at that in retrospect.  

It was so beautiful though, the graphics.  Clear, cold, blue.  I expected more corruption and taint to be in the tunnels honestly. But, it made for pretty screenies  

[Hulk Hsieh]

I made a mistake playing RtO with a lv 22 party and Lohgain.

The encounters are jokes when using such high-level party and Lohgain arguing with Wynne really doesn't give me strong emotional impact.



My current judgement is 6/10 and not worth $5. Hope that changes after trying with a lv10 party and Ali.

[Spads926]

I played with Alistair, Wynne and Leliana. I thought it was great and worth the $5. It was pretty easy overall with level 20 characters. I'm currently on my 5th play through and have become addicted to the story line. I have not read Stole Throne or The Calling, but they should be arriving any day now from Amazon!

[hexaligned]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

I made a mistake playing RtO with a lv 22 party and Lohgain.
The encounters are jokes when using such high-level party and Lohgain arguing with Wynne really doesn't give me strong emotional impact.

My current judgement is 6/10 and not worth $5. Hope that changes after trying with a lv10 party and Ali.

If it makes you feel any better, I did it with a level 7 party on nightmare, still tore through it..so you didn't miss anything difficulty wise.  But ...it's 5 bucks, I don't really agree with spreading the content out in small pieces, I'd rather just have them all added to the expansion... but it's hard to imagine any DAO content that isn't worth 5 dollars.

[Hulk Hsieh]

relhart wrote...

If it makes you feel any better, I did it with a level 7 party on nightmare, still tore through it..so you didn't miss anything difficulty wise.  But ...it's 5 bucks, I don't really agree with spreading the content out in small pieces, I'd rather just have them all added to the expansion... but it's hard to imagine any DAO content that isn't worth 5 dollars.

Yes. I can imagine that.
Most combats are the old "1 Elite + several normal" teams which have been proven to be quite unchallenging fillers. I really wish they tune up the challenge. It should be quite reasonable we face something like 1 Boss + 3 Elite in this DLC.

[Ramante]

I played with Alistair, Sten and Wynne (me as a rogue), all around lvl 20. The fights were not so spectacular as I expected, Especially in the tower, a room full of darkspawn, Wynne and Alistair took them all out without entering the room.

Story was greater however, I really started to hate that necromancer (and he hated my Arrow of Slaying).

I got 4 achievements out of it (completing quest, reach rogue lvl 20, the Arrow of Slaying thing and Master Warden(?)).



I got really confused after getting Duncan's sword and dagger, they are perfect for rogues but you need 31 str to use the sword, that just doesn't make sense to me. All rogues in my team got 20 str and I see no need to make it any higher. So question, was Duncan a warrior or a rogue?

[keesio74]

I got really confused after getting Duncan's sword and dagger, they are perfect for rogues but you need 31 str to use the sword, that just doesn't make sense to me. All rogues in my team got 20 str and I see no need to make it any higher. So question, was Duncan a warrior or a rogue?

I think Duncan was a warrior. I mean he had a shield too. How many rogues use shields?

But it is possible that he was a rogue. My DW rogue has 40 str because he DW swords.

[Ramante]

keesio74 wrote...

I think Duncan was a warrior. I mean he had a shield too. How many rogues use shields?

Never thought of the shield... thanks.
My rogues are always archers, so no need to put a lot of points in str.

[Addai]

I think it's possible and more plausible that you start out a rogue who gets powerful enough that the distinctions don't matter. I mean, I spec my rogues out so that by end-game, they are warriors just of a different sort. And Duncan was way beyond Level 20-something.

[Addai]

Overall the story element left me feeling flat. I didn't think Alistair showed enough reaction to the events, but then I think at this point my HNF character has more awe over Maric's legacy than he does so I suppose that's appropriate. But there was also no comment from Alistair on finding Duncan's weapons. I'm assuming he would recognize them, not my PC. And that cougar discussion with him and Wynne... ugh... I guess a male PC might be able to laugh with him about it later...



One thing I do like is that it was a winter scene. There's so much dialogue about Ferelden being cold but you see so little winter apart from the DLCs.

[_- Songlian -]

Addai67 wrote...

And that cougar discussion with him and Wynne... ugh... I guess a male PC might be able to laugh with him about it later...

Seriously. What was that all about?  

Modifié par - Songlian -, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:59 .

[Loerwyn]

Just did it for the second time, this time on my Human Noble Female (rough party level was 11). I saw less emotion from her than I did my Dwarf (wait, wut, surely it should be the other way?). Given her the shield and Maric's blade, whereas Alastair got Duncan's Sword and he'll have Cailan's armor in 2-3 levels.

Wouldn't say no to it for £3 once you factor in its replay value, but otherwise? I'm not bowled over. I was pretty neutral throughout the whole thing and didn't really get excited. The fights are a breeze, I had one death throughout the whole thing (and that was because Leliana decided to go for a jog) and I didn't even have a healer.

[Ramante]

The comments from Alistair about Cailan are all about him being king and not him being his brother. I know there was no real 'family thing' going on between the two of them, but some comments about it might have been nice.



It is weird that it is all about Cailan and almost nothing about Duncan. Everything that is connected to Duncan (campfire, joining, weapons) sparks no conversation, that was kind of disappointing.

[Spads926]

Ramante wrote...

The comments from Alistair about Cailan are all about him being king and not him being his brother. I know there was no real 'family thing' going on between the two of them, but some comments about it might have been nice.

It is weird that it is all about Cailan and almost nothing about Duncan. Everything that is connected to Duncan (campfire, joining, weapons) sparks no conversation, that was kind of disappointing.

I 100% agree with this! But I have a feeling Duncan isn't dead...we never really saw him die, did we? I don't know, just something in the pit of my stomach. Call me crazy.

[Loerwyn]

Spads926 wrote...

Ramante wrote...

The comments from Alistair about Cailan are all about him being king and not him being his brother. I know there was no real 'family thing' going on between the two of them, but some comments about it might have been nice.

It is weird that it is all about Cailan and almost nothing about Duncan. Everything that is connected to Duncan (campfire, joining, weapons) sparks no conversation, that was kind of disappointing.

I 100% agree with this! But I have a feeling Duncan isn't dead...we never really saw him die, did we? I don't know, just something in the pit of my stomach. Call me crazy.

Sounds possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is dead at this point in the story (i.e. Lothering and beyond). It's entirely possible that he was taken by the Darkspawn and killed elsewhere (remember, his weapons were in the Ogre he killed).
Talking of things missing from Ostagar, what about Cailan's two hander?

[cachx]

I think it was pretty good, could have used more conversation. No point in doing this with other party other than Wynne+Ali/Log+Dog.

The equipment was cool, but the armor was just a golden tint over an old model, that was a little lazy imo.

The new details on Cailan having an "affaire" with the empress was very interesting, tho I think he was in love, and neve really cared much for Anora. I just don't see Cailan doing something for political motivation only.

[Joshd21]

draxynnus wrote...

The tunnel was an issue, now that you mention it. The impression you get is that the tunnel was dug from at least a short distance away, but instead it comes out directly at the base of the fortress - somewhere which should have been under friendly control when the battle started.

Now, I can see the convenience factor for having the tunnel coming out where it does, but it might be worthwhile having a collapsed tunnel on the way which is explained to have been the original tunnel. Or Bioware could have been really sneaky and had a non-collapsed tunnel...leading into the Deep Roads.

That's what I am thinking. As spoken in my earlier post they claim Allister and the rest of the grey Warden's can sense the darkspawn, just like they were capable of sensing them. It appeard to me odd, how darkspawn even though they are not smart

And they listen to Arch Demon, were capable of building a massive tunnel underground, that would have taken at least a month if not years. That streched from the battle feild to the tower, the way the angles in the tunnel were formatted.

It appeared the tower went directly under or near where the grey wardens had their joining ritual.

A:My question is, how are darkspawn capable of building an underground tunnel

B: Besides Allister, and Duncan must have been other Grey Waredens why is it no one sensed them, because so far under ground?

C: Odd the tower that were to light the becon, very same on the darkspawn invaded. If darkspawn had a plan to get behind their foes, then the King picked a very poor place

Also Duncan's body was not to be found. I hope they don't try to say he lived. Think about it, a massive army of hundreds of darkspawn, maybe thousands and in the front line the darkspawn are fighting hundreds of people at once

I don't think the darkspawn would have a chance to knock out the foe duncan and carry him back to their base. They clearly swung the battle axe to kill, it bothered me a little that duncan's body wasn't right there

Though in summary, again it was nice. I wonder what the one looked like before they released this one. Only thing I am thinking, is that they added the tunnel I'm going off pure guessing everything else appear's to be

similar with each other, expect for the tunnel

[Loerwyn]

If you think about Duncan's death, then... Well.

At no point, AFAIK, is it ever explained what happens to a Grey Warden when Darkspawn kill them. The previous Blight was a fairly long time ago (IIRC), and then there's a huge thing I just remembered: A Grey Warden, at the end of their life, goes to Orzammar and into the Deep Roads to die. But what happens to their body? In the Deep Roads quests, I don't remember seeing any dead Grey Wardens lying around. You'd think that the Darkspawn would kill them and then waddle off leaving, eventually, a skeleton and armor. So what if the Darkspawn carry off Grey Wardens to some special place? They're tainted so the Darkspawn might treat them differently to other corpses/prisoners - Either feed them to the Archdemon or something else.

Just a guess.

[Addai]

- Songlian - wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

And that cougar discussion with him and Wynne... ugh... I guess a male PC might be able to laugh with him about it later...

Seriously. What was that all about?  

Heh, my HNF is romancing Alistair and on the way there we had the Old Tegrin encounter.  I accidentally clicked on Wynne and got the "you two are quite taken with each other... don't you think this is selfish for a Grey Warden" sermon.  Then in Ostagar my PC hears that and is thinking "you old bat, you're telling me to back off him and then make a move on him yourself!'  I think she's letting those magical bosom compliments go to her head.

[errant_knight]

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

I haven't downloaded it yet but everyone keeps talking about how easy it is for there 20th level characters, I was under the impression it was to be played right after lothering which would make you about 7th level or so and that would make it play much differently. So I have a battery of characters still in lothering or Ostagar and those are the ones I will use to play it through. When I eventually can download it.

I played it with my save from immediately after finishing Lothering. It wasn't unchallenging, partly becaust I didn't have Wynne, I had almost not health poultices and couldn't make more because all the available elfroot had been used, and Morrigan didn't have a healing spell yet. She leveled up in the darkspawn tunnels, so I had heal for the fight at the end, or I would have had some problems.

This is exactly the kind of DLC content that I hope for and want more of: stories with direct emotional impact on the members of the party, comments from the party members about what's happening, a real sense of there being an impact on the characters. There was only a couple of things that I would have liked to see added.

I really wanted some dialogue between the two wardens about the experience of being at Ostagar, finding Cailen, and recovering Duncan and Cailen's posessions. The only dialogue option I had when I got back was coincidently weird--'Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are?' The timing made it seem like the PC is creeeepy.... I had her hold off on that little conversation. So not the right time.

I also wanted the response upon giving Alistair the joining cup to unique to that gift. The stock response was wildly inappropriate for what he was being given ('I could get used to this').

I wasn't quite sure of why Morrigan was so disapproving of respectful disposal of the king's remains. I suppose she thought it was a waste of time. In any case, I'm used to Morrigan disapproving. All the time.

[errant_knight]

Spads926 wrote...

Ramante wrote...

The comments from Alistair about Cailan are all about him being king and not him being his brother. I know there was no real 'family thing' going on between the two of them, but some comments about it might have been nice.

It is weird that it is all about Cailan and almost nothing about Duncan. Everything that is connected to Duncan (campfire, joining, weapons) sparks no conversation, that was kind of disappointing.

I 100% agree with this! But I have a feeling Duncan isn't dead...we never really saw him die, did we? I don't know, just something in the pit of my stomach. Call me crazy.

Maybe they decided to avoid the backlash given how much vocal complaint there is from some segments of the fan base about Alistair displaying grief for Duncan.

[Whoops! Two posts in a row. Sorry about that!]

Re: Alistair's comments about Cailen.... You have to remember that this can be played right after Lothering. They can't spoil the big reveal later in the game.

Modifié par errant_knight, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:33 .

[Vicious]

Yes, Anora is infertile, because it's a medieval setting and it's always the woman's fault. /sarcasm

But wasn't Eamon one of the rebels? If a Fereldan King was married to the Orlesian Empress, wouldn't that inevitably result in Fereldan (again) being swallowed up by its more powerful and wealthy neighbour, since any child would be heir presumptive to both nations? Unless Eamon has stopped caring, now that his sister is dead.

Close, but you're missing the point. The point is that if he marries Celene, Eamon becomes the uncle of the EMPEROR of the biggest and most powerful country in Thedas, and his family will retain that tie to the throne as long as Cailan can put out heirs with Celene. That's huge.



That said, I don't believe Eamon was in on what Cailan was doing, as Cailan dumping Anora and marrying Celene would have any number of consequences and basically divide all of Ferelden. Thus you have the King now stylized Emperor fighting his own people. Cailan isn't particularly intelligent, so it reeks of him being played by Celene like a fiddle. It's better he died in Ostagar if that's the case, rather than fighting Ferelden on Orlais' behalf.





Oh, and Duncan survived. You can bet on it. The villain for Awakenings is The Architect, a Darkspawn who commands unique magic that can accelerate the Darkspawn taint in Grey Wardens, transforming them into powerful Darkspawn themselves basically. And he has battled Duncan before, so bet on seeing Duncan alive... and not the same way you saw him.

[Thor Rand Al]

ejoslin wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

Colenda wrote...
Also, does anyone here think Eamon knew about Cailan's Orlesian flirtation? It's hard to imagine that he could have approved, despite being married to an Orlesian himself. He presumably has someone in eye as a possible future queen, but that someone surely wouldn't be Celene.

And I can't remember, but Celene doesn't actually write anything about marrying Cailan, does she? Would Cailan be that stupid?

Well, if Anora couldn't conceive a child, and if the King was truly talking about an alliance between Ferelden and Orlais, what better method to cement that alliance than a wedding between the King and the Empress? I'm not saying that this was the case, but this is surely the first idea that popped into my mind when I read the three letters.

It would explain why Eamon doesn't sound very happy over the Cousland wedding to Alistair for sure.

Edit: Formatting

In Eamon's codex letter he does say that Cailan n him had an argument about the heir issue... Eamon was the 1 that was pushing for Cailan to "put Anora aside" because she had yet to give Cailan a child...
As far as if Cailan was cheating on Anora with the Empress I didn't get that feeling with the 2 codex's... They wanted peace between the two countries but how that would be achieved is the big Question lol...

Spoiler! Spoiler! Spoiler! from codex

"And yes, perhaps when this is over you will allow me to bring up the subject of your heir.  While a son from both the Theirin and Mac Tir lines would unite Ferelden like no other, we must accept that perhaps this can never be.  The queen approaches her thirthieth year and her ability to give you a child lessens with each passing month.  I submit to you again that it might be time to put Anora aside.  We parted harshly the last time I spoke of this, but it has been a full year since then and nothing has changed."


This is why I'm having a hard time on what to think of Eamon... I'm doing the Landsmeet now n just listening to Eamon I'm not sure what to think... It just make me leary about making Alistair King n how much influence he's gonna have, especially when it comes to the damn heir issue n I'm with Alistair... If he was on Cailan's case imagine poor Alistair lol...


Edited for spelling errors lol

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:18 .