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[Chasseresse]

I like this DLC, it is longer and seems "meatier" than Warden's Keep. Also helps tie up a few Cailan-related lose ends and my current PC rogue can get her hands on new stabby things



However, I've been a Wynne fan since my 2nd playthrough (on my 5th now), but this DLC just makes me want to gag her. I've heard enough of her "I'm OLD" talk, and I've heard enough of Alistair talking about her age (and I've been a rabid Al fangirl from the start LOL). I just want to turn to Shale and ask if she can spare a few crystals to plug their mouths with until we're through with the place. I bet she'd be happy to comply.

[Raiynsong]

I usually run with Morrigain but when Alistair said something about Wynn wanting revenge I went back to camp and keyed her up in Morrigan's place. Dialog was funny and yes I did want to say to Alistair "ok you and wynne go for it, I've got Zevran here "



My only complaints : NO conversation when we looted the Joining Chalice ?

NO conversation when we looted Duncan's sword and dagger ?



I mean, come on... those should have had major reactions, from Alistair at least. (I know I teared up...)

[Relband]

RtO was good, indeed the feeling of closure, saying goodbye to the king, seeing the place where it all started - all this makes the quest worth playing. However, there are also things I am not overly taken with. What others mentioned - total lack of interaction with Alistair throughout. After all this is where he and the main character met, fought side by side - and yet nothing? In particular - not a comment on finding the Joining Chalice, as if it were just another piece of silverware. Also the main character should have a few "remember when?" dialogue lines.



The winter setting looks great by itself but how does it fit with the rest of the campaign, the green grass of the camp, Redcliffe, Denerim? - Ostagar is in the south so you wouldn't really expect the climate to be particularily harsh down there.



Also the reuse of the underground setting from the Dalish elf origin story, although with an obviously changed interior setting, was a bit disappointing, especially as my character is a Dalish elf, which gave her an unexpected feeling of déjà vu.



Finally a comment about the tunnel to the Tower of Ishal not being detected by the wardens on the surface - the tunnel was there and it ran directly under their camp, but it does not mean that the darkspawn was there! It is absolutely conceivable that the darkspawn found the tunnel and burrowed through into the tower after Duncan had joined Cailian for the battle (and the rest of the wardens were camped in the valley with the army from the very beginning). The placing of the entry to the tunnel is more problematic as that area would have been under friendly control before and during the battle.

[Whailor]

Short thing, it was. Went through it fast. Can't say it's worth all the fuss it raised around it and all the mess, trying to figure what kind of big bugs were in such a small mod which made to be pushed back so many times. It was pretty much just usual hack and slash, barely any comments, no new dialogue options during or after, re-used assets (Ostagar, partial ruins from dalish origin and a little outdoor area) and some items which are useful to a degree (not all of them). Emotions? Meh, emotions are for the weak. Ah well.

[Carodej]

Relband wrote...

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The winter setting looks great by itself but how does it fit with the rest of the campaign, the green grass of the camp, Redcliffe, Denerim? - Ostagar is in the south so you wouldn't really expect the climate to be particularily harsh down there.
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It is mentioned at various times in the game that it is colder to the south and warmer to the north.  Which would mean Thedas is in the southern hemisphere of their world and so generally you would be more likely to find snow in Ostagar than in any other part of Ferelden.

[errant_knight]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote...

Colenda wrote...
Also, does anyone here think Eamon knew about Cailan's Orlesian flirtation? It's hard to imagine that he could have approved, despite being married to an Orlesian himself. He presumably has someone in eye as a possible future queen, but that someone surely wouldn't be Celene.

And I can't remember, but Celene doesn't actually write anything about marrying Cailan, does she? Would Cailan be that stupid?

Well, if Anora couldn't conceive a child, and if the King was truly talking about an alliance between Ferelden and Orlais, what better method to cement that alliance than a wedding between the King and the Empress? I'm not saying that this was the case, but this is surely the first idea that popped into my mind when I read the three letters.

It would explain why Eamon doesn't sound very happy over the Cousland wedding to Alistair for sure.

Edit: Formatting

In Eamon's codex letter he does say that Cailan n him had an argument about the heir issue... Eamon was the 1 that was pushing for Cailan to "put Anora aside" because she had yet to give Cailan a child...
As far as if Cailan was cheating on Anora with the Empress I didn't get that feeling with the 2 codex's... They wanted peace between the two countries but how that would be achieved is the big Question lol...

Spoiler! Spoiler! Spoiler! from codex

"And yes, perhaps when this is over you will allow me to bring up the subject of your heir.  While a son from both the Theirin and Mac Tir lines would unite Ferelden like no other, we must accept that perhaps this can never be.  The queen approaches her thirthieth year and her ability to give you a child lessens with each passing month.  I submit to you again that it might be time to put Anora aside.  We parted harshly the last time I spoke of this, but it has been a full year since then and nothing has changed."


This is why I'm having a hard time on what to think of Eamon... I'm doing the Landsmeet now n just listening to Eamon I'm not sure what to think... It just make me leary about making Alistair King n how much influence he's gonna have, especially when it comes to the damn heir issue n I'm with Alistair... If he was on Cailan's case imagine poor Alistair lol...


Edited for spelling errors lol

It does say that the corrospondence is oddly informal.... But Eamon isn't wrong. If Cailen's going to have an heir, it isn't going to be with Anora. It would seem that Cailen didn't want to put Anora aside, but this may mean that his unfaithfulness wasn't entirely wild oats. He may have been trying to get an heir without going to far as to replace his consort.

Cailen's flirtation with the Empress probably doesn't have anything to do with setting Anora aside. The people of Fereldan would never accept such a union, and Cailen would know it. Not only that, because Fereldan is a smaller, weaker country, it would become subservient to Orlais. I don't think Cailen was as unthinking as our initial introduction to him might lead us to believe. The courtier who gave us the quest said that Cailen at least suspected that they would lose at Ostagar, which would mean that his confidence was geared at keeping morale up, much as ours is later at Redcliff. We still don't know why he wasn't waiting for the Orlesian troops as Duncan wished, odd given that he went to so much trouble to get the treaties to make that possible. I think there's still a missing piece of the puzzle there--something to do with Loghain, I suspect.

I think one of the many reasons to harden Alistair is to get him to the point where he'll stand up for his own opinions about matters less drastic than what to do with Loghain. Look at the difference in his response to Anora refusing to swear fealty, hardened vs unhardened. Once he's hardened, Eamon is no longer a problem whatever his motives are.

Another interesting thing here is the dialogue between Wynne and Alistair on finding the treaties. Alistair is very disturbed that Cailen had managed to negotiate peace between Fereldan and Orlais, and now it wouldn't happen. This makes me think that, in scenarios where Alistair is king, relations between Fereldan and Orlais and implementation of the peace treaties will be a top priority.

Modifié par errant_knight, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:53 .

[_Aine_]

Whailor wrote...

 Emotions? Meh, emotions are for the weak. Ah well.

Not to make light of the emotional impact but.... speaking of emotions ...

If you wanted to see emotion you should have seen my face when I got to the place where I saw Cailan up there crucified as a trophy of a battle won.  My heart pounded loud enough I think it scared my cat.  I sat transfixed in awe at what I perceived to be a very gutsy move by Bioware to show the king so....exposed.....

And then I realized that one of my body mods had made Cailan a little more pleased at my return to Ostagar than I would have expected....

      

Mod users be warned  

[tallon1982]

My thoughts on RTO...Well I did enjoy going back there to get some revenge but I felt that there wasn't much interaction with what had happened here aside from the occasional chatter between Wynne and Alistair. I'm rather surprised Morrigan says nothing considering she watched the battle and also says nothing while in the tower of Ishal. I was hoping for a bit more content between those who were there.



The finding of the Joining Chalice was interesting but you get just a typical reaction when you give it to Alistair. I was hoping for some sort of scene between the PC and him over the chalice and even at Duncan's fire. I guess things had to be cut for whatever reasons.



As far as Anora I had a feeling she was barren or something since there was no heir or that Calian just wasn't able to produce an heir. If this is explored later in another DLC or in the expansion I hope it answers that question. I don't buy that Calian was having an affair with Celene but perhaps was considering the possibility. I also had the feeling Calian knew he was going to die. If the archdemon had the potential to show itself why didn't he carry Maric's sword? Just seemed strange to me. I liked the DLC overall I just wished it wasn't so short and had some influence on the game itself but I can understand that it would have meant an overhaul on the main storyline in regards to choices.

[Thor Rand Al]

errant_knight wrote...

It does say that the corrospondence is oddly informal.... But Eamon isn't wrong. If Cailen's going to have an heir, it isn't going to be with Anora. It would seem that Cailen didn't want to put Anora aside, but this may mean that his unfaithfulness wasn't entirely wild oats. He may have been trying to get an heir without going to far as to replace his consort.

I thing one of the many reasons to harden Alistair is to get him to the point where he'll stand up for his own opinions about matters less drastic than what to do with Loghain. Look at the difference in his response to Anora refusing to swear fealty, hardened vs unhardened. Once he's hardened, Eamon is no longer a problem whatever his motives are.

Lol now that is the 1 playthrough that I haven't done yet, well playing a female human noble; is making Alistair king n not hardened... 1 of these dang playthroughs I'm gonna have to lol... I did it playing a male pc (I think) but I don't remember that part lol

[_Aine_]

Colenda wrote...

Could someone pass me the bleach and pan-scrub so I can clean out my brain, please? 

lol Sorry, trust me I KNOW!  

[Carodej]

I'm still not sure where I fall on liking/disliking RtO as I really think I need to run through it with Loghain in my party to fully experience it.  So far, I have only run through it once.  My party was my PC (16th level Mage), Alistair, Dog, and Wynne.

IMO, the best thing about it was the closure with a proper send off for Cailan plus getting to kick some darkspawn derriere.

The DLC was also longer than I expected based on what I had read from posts by people who got it for the 360.  Though I was in no rush, read all the codex entries, stopped and listened to all the party banter, etc.  It took me between 1.5 and 2 hours, which is about twice as long as I was expecting, so I do think that added to the value.

I felt the dialogue was below the bar set by the orginal game.  It wasn't bad, just not as good what was in the OC or the previous two DLCs.  Like many of the others here, I was also dissapointed in the lack of reaction of my party members.  Alistair moans to me about not having anything to remember Duncan by, yet makes no comment about us finding Duncan's weapons?  Small things perhaps, but they seem out of character.

While the loot was pretty good - or possibly great dependig on your character builds and what else you have done so far in the game - I was surprised by the amount of mundane weapons and armor I found.  My greedy PC had looted the site both before and after going into the Korcari Wilds, so it was puzzling to find so many boxes, sacks, and chests with stuff in them.  And then of course the one chest I really wanted to open, I could not since I had gotten the key already from the hungry prisoner.  BTW, after it being looted like I did, can anyone tell me why they mages would lock a powerful staff in that chest?  Especially since it should have been used during the battle?

The maps looked great, but as Alistair might say, "I found it curious..." that the darkspawn put up all those fences.  Fences that looked flimsier than most of the barricades I break during the game.  Plus I thought it was quite ameteurish to reuse the ruins from the Dalish origin.  No offense meant, Bioware, but it's the sort of stuff I have seen in mods for games where people do not have the tools to make new levels.

The new iformation we get was pretty limited and didn't really add to the lore of the world.  You learned Eamon wanted Cailan to get a new wife because of concern over the lack of an heir.  You learned Cailan had secret negotiations with Orlais.  But other than the latter showing Cailan was not too bright, they don't mean much as they became only might-have-beens upon Cailan's death.

[errant_knight]

REH1967 wrote...

I've just finished Broken Circle and Redcliffe and on my way to the Urn area...is there any reason I shouldn't RTO story flow wise?

This is the perfect time! Travel there right from Redcliffe, and it flows beautifully.

[Posioned]

It wasn't bad. Added a bit of closure to the story for my character. Although I was not a big fan of the "pillow talk" between Alistair and Wynne at the end. Made my character quite uncomfortable.

[Brilhros]

I liked it quite a bit. Well worth the $5. And now I want MOAR!



One thing though: wasn't Maric's sword supposed to be dragonbone from the book ? The 2 times I ran Rto, I got a Red Steel one. Just a thought. I loved it overall.

[Relband]

Posioned wrote...
Although I was not a big fan of the "pillow talk" between Alistair and Wynne at the end. Made my character quite uncomfortable.

Yeah, rather out of character for Wynne (especially after her statements about giving up on worldly joys and finding fulfillment in serving others) and rather surprising on Alistair's part bearing in mind he is claiming to be madly in love with my character. Well, no invites to my tent for some time for him .

[Cuddlezarro]

if you have wardens keep you can upgrade marics blade(and the rest of the DLC items) to dragonbone by selling it to the merchant and entering/leaving the shop till its upgraded

[Loerwyn]

Relband wrote...

Posioned wrote...
Although I was not a big fan of the "pillow talk" between Alistair and Wynne at the end. Made my character quite uncomfortable.

Yeah, rather out of character for Wynne (especially after her statements about giving up on worldly joys and finding fulfillment in serving others) and rather surprising on Alistair's part bearing in mind he is claiming to be madly in love with my character. Well, no invites to my tent for some time for him .

Maybe it was just Wynne letting her hair down and leading him on for a bit of fun? She's not adverse to talking about that subject (Conversation with Alastair about being Grandmotherly as an example), but seems to steer away from it if she can.
I agree that it's completely odd for her, but maybe she was just trying to lighten the mood. Wish she came onto my Warden though

[Landmarx]

Spoiler????





Is that Duncan's corpse on the circular platform near the archery training area behind Duncan's fire? Sure looks like him.

[errant_knight]

Relband wrote...

Posioned wrote...
Although I was not a big fan of the "pillow talk" between Alistair and Wynne at the end. Made my character quite uncomfortable.

Yeah, rather out of character for Wynne (especially after her statements about giving up on worldly joys and finding fulfillment in serving others) and rather surprising on Alistair's part bearing in mind he is claiming to be madly in love with my character. Well, no invites to my tent for some time for him .

Wynne has a surprisingly naughty sense of humor, and spends much of the game trying to make Alistair blush. He's a quick witted fellow, though. She's not always going to get the best of him, but here he was just trying to make up for inadvertantly offending her about her age earlier, and she embarrasses him about sexual matters again. I don't know why it's surprising either that she's tweaking him by twisting his words, or that she gets some action from time to time. She's already said that mages in the tower seek each other out, and mentioned having an illegitimate child. Wynne's no prude and she does enjoy her game of embarrass the templar.

Modifié par errant_knight, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:17 .

[R-F]

i only played through it once because im too far into ME2 to quit for very long. that being said it was decent for the price, but it didn't really do much for me. i was especially disappointed killing the Ogre, as it was really just another Ogre. also why no dialogue when i get Duncan's sword and dagger. lame!



giving Calin his final rest though was gratifying. i need to try and take Loghain there and see what that jerk has to say for himself.

[ciaweth]

I realize that extra voice acting is costly, but I also agree that the Joining Chalice gift and Duncan's weapons should have triggered *something* out of the ordinary.



The naughty Wynne dialog kind of flummoxed me at first, too, but then I realize that even very poised people stick their feet in their mouths sometimes when trying to lighten up a dark situation. I just figured Wynne stumbled for once. If she'd said those things to Alistair at any other time, I'd have laughed my butt off.