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[errant_knight]

ciaweth wrote...

I realize that extra voice acting is costly, but I also agree that the Joining Chalice gift and Duncan's weapons should have triggered *something* out of the ordinary.

The naughty Wynne dialog kind of flummoxed me at first, too, but then I realize that even very poised people stick their feet in their mouths sometimes when trying to lighten up a dark situation. I just figured Wynne stumbled for once. If she'd said those things to Alistair at any other time, I'd have laughed my butt off.

My take on it is that she knows whose weapons they recovered from the ogre and wanted to distract Alistair. As a friend, she wouldn't have wanted him to think too much about that, not right then. I think it worked.

[Thor Rand Al]

errant_knight wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

I realize that extra voice acting is costly, but I also agree that the Joining Chalice gift and Duncan's weapons should have triggered *something* out of the ordinary.

The naughty Wynne dialog kind of flummoxed me at first, too, but then I realize that even very poised people stick their feet in their mouths sometimes when trying to lighten up a dark situation. I just figured Wynne stumbled for once. If she'd said those things to Alistair at any other time, I'd have laughed my butt off.

My take on it is that she knows whose weapons they recovered from the ogre and wanted to distract Alistair. As a friend, she wouldn't have wanted him to think too much about that, not right then. I think it worked.

I never thought about it like that... Seems to make more sense, in fact I like that idea better lmao 

[Relband]

Wynne has a surprisingly naughty sense of humor, and spends much of the game trying to make Alistair blush. He's a quick witted fellow, though. She's not always going to get the best of him, but here he was just trying to make up for inadvertantly offending her about her age earlier, and she embarrasses him about sexual matters again. I don't know why it's surprising either that she's tweaking him by twisting his words, or that she gets some action from time to time. She's already said that mages in the tower seek each other out, and mentioned having an illegitimate child. Wynne's no prude and she does enjoy her game of embarrass the templar.

Two issues with this interpretation: first, Wynne's too sensible/intelligent for me to lead the conversation into that direction in the general context (return to the scene of defeat and carnage, finding king's body, all the personal stuff about the battle coming back, etc.); I can see her trying to defuse the situation emotionally, but she's too subtle to have to resort to this kind of talk; at a funeral you do not try to cheer up grieving relatives with comments of sexual undertone. Then, although Oghren and Zevran are not too subtle about it either, in exchanges with both of them whenever sexually loaded comments come up, her reactions are unambiguously negative and she's not even trying to put the guys down with well-aimed retorts.

[SinYang]

Interesting.. from a less noble view point.

Morrigan approves +2 if you leave cailan to the wolves, no doubt so the corpse doesnt go to waste?.
Yet both Morrigan & Sten disapprove if hes left up there. My magi is what you'd term a right ass taking the latter with Alistair in the party.

Sten also made more comments throughout than Zevran.

Modifié par SinYang, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:52 .

[Sabriana]

I don't own RtO so I don't know what transpires between Alistair and Wynne, I can only go by what I read.

I agree with Relband. A heart-wrenching setting is hardly the place for sexual innuendo, however it's meant, and definitely in bad taste. A mature person would know that. If it was done in camp, or on the road, I'd buy that argument, but to try and 'lighten up' a tragic situation in that manner? I don't think so, it's very crude, rude, and immature, imo.

Besides, when Zevran repeatedly tweaks her nose with sexual overtones when trying to make her shut up, and stick her self-righteousness where the sun don't shine, she reacts negative every time. She's almost as negative with Oghren.

Not only that, she uses it against Zevran in her (in)famous "You two are quite taken with each other..." speech to my PC, making her wanting to kick Wynne in the shin.

[Ramante]

SinYang wrote...

Sten also made more comments throughout than Zevran.

Really? I took Sten with me the first time and I got nothing. what kind of things did he say/when did he say something? Maybe I'm totally missing something or it has something to do with your entire team.
This time I'm taking Osiris (dog)  with me and he 'talks' more.

[SinYang]

When I arrived he had a some comment, sorry I wasnt paying attention at that time. On maric's blade he said was shame to leave such an item to waste and one more abit later on.

He had nothing to say on cailan. I also noted that main character started talking? he remembered the tower. This - when I kicked Alistair out for leliana to open locks. Its usually Alistair's line and could be a bug.

I really need to get Wynne, Loghain into this.

Edit: Ive just loaded a post epilogue save for my first char, selected Wynne/Loghain and Sten.
Instead of Sten making an intial comment, it seems loghain has the lead. So yep it has alot to do with party make-up. Im wondering if Shale has any input due to that Raven^

Modifié par SinYang, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:48 .

[Sabriana]

They had the VO actors for WK. It's not so unrealistic to have them do the RtO lines as well. The two DLC are not that far apart. Actually, I think WK was already finished by DA:O release time.

Surely they had the plans and characters already down on paper at least, and knew what they could have/should have said before tackling the actual assembly of RtO. The actors could have recorded those conversations well in advance. It's not as if recordings go to spoil or something.

[Chasseresse]

Sadly there were no Shale/raven comments, I must have tried clicking on them a dozen times trying to "provoke" something, lol. In fact Shale didn't talk at all when I brought her, and the time before when I brought Leli, she didn't talk either. Honestly, it was hard to get a word in edge-wise with Al and Wynne yakking the whole time. One of these days I'll spare Loghain and bring him to see what he thinks.

[_Aine_]

Sabriana wrote...

I don't own RtO so I don't know what transpires between Alistair and Wynne, I can only go by what I read.
I agree with Relband. A heart-wrenching setting is hardly the place for sexual innuendo, however it's meant, and definitely in bad taste. A mature person would know that. If it was done in camp, or on the road, I'd buy that argument, but to try and 'lighten up' a tragic situation in that manner? I don't think so, it's very crude, rude, and immature, imo.
Besides, when Zevran repeatedly tweaks her nose with sexual overtones when trying to make her shut up, and stick her self-righteousness where the sun don't shine, she reacts negative every time. She's almost as negative with Oghren.
Not only that, she uses it against Zevran in her (in)famous "You two are quite taken with each other..." speech to my PC, making her wanting to kick Wynne in the shin.

QFT.

Coming from Wynne, with her history of shooting down anything of the like, herself classifying it as downright immature nonsense, it was bad enough.  Doing so with *this timing* near enough to the dead body of the king you apparently loved enough to hold quite a grudge, was....well.... really yuck.  I lost every bit of respect I had for Wynne to be perfectly honest, and i had really liked wynne.  Had it happened at any other time, it may have been quite funny.  I'm betting that was thrown in there for humour as an afterthought rather than written in to be a part of this scene.... it was jarringly out of place.  I had to play through it to see it myself....and while Alistair comes off slightly better it was still not in character given what they had just seen and why they were there.   As Alistair loves to say.,..Creeeeeepy.    

Wynne may have more time to contact her inner abomination for a while at the camp-ground. She is getting a time-out for that. lol  

[Chasseresse]

shantisands wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I don't own RtO so I don't know what transpires between Alistair and Wynne, I can only go by what I read.
I agree with Relband. A heart-wrenching setting is hardly the place for sexual innuendo, however it's meant, and definitely in bad taste. A mature person would know that. If it was done in camp, or on the road, I'd buy that argument, but to try and 'lighten up' a tragic situation in that manner? I don't think so, it's very crude, rude, and immature, imo.
Besides, when Zevran repeatedly tweaks her nose with sexual overtones when trying to make her shut up, and stick her self-righteousness where the sun don't shine, she reacts negative every time. She's almost as negative with Oghren.
Not only that, she uses it against Zevran in her (in)famous "You two are quite taken with each other..." speech to my PC, making her wanting to kick Wynne in the shin.

QFT.

Coming from Wynne, with her history of shooting down anything of the like, herself classifying it as downright immature nonsense, it was bad enough.  Doing so with *this timing* near enough to the dead body of the king you apparently loved enough to hold quite a grudge, was....well.... really yuck.  I lost every bit of respect I had for Wynne to be perfectly honest, and i had really liked wynne.  Had it happened at any other time, it may have been quite funny.  I'm betting that was thrown in there for humour as an afterthought rather than written in to be a part of this scene.... it was jarringly out of place.  I had to play through it to see it myself....and while Alistair comes off slightly better it was still not in character given what they had just seen and why they were there.   As Alistair loves to say.,..Creeeeeepy.    

Wynne may have more time to contact her inner abomination for a while at the camp-ground. She is getting a time-out for that. lol  

LOL I was doing Al's Creeeeepy thing in my head last night when I went back on another character. Seriously, the convo takes place right under the stretch of bridge Cailan is crucified on, I had just gotten his helm from the necomancer (which Al made an appropriately sad comment on) and I had just looted Duncan's weapons. NO place for any sexual innuendo by any character, I think even Oghren would have known to keep his mouth shut there. I'm no prude, but it just struck me as very wrong and yes, I am a little nerdragey about it LOL.

[Fraga500]

Return to Ostagar was great, but I'm worried about the next DLCs. Mass Effect 2 had extra content in day one (and they were free!) and more have already been announced, while we get a delayed-but-epic DLC-and that's the only for now!

I hope they don't stay focused in ME 2 extra stuff just because this game already has an expansion coming soon...Anyway, I'd really like more extra content in my Dragon Age while Awakening is not ready!!

[SinYang]

Loghain definately is more interesting than Ali here, Loghain "That cheating bastard" on Cailan codexes from chest. With Wynne constantly sniping at him really adds meat to this dlc "Would you have left Anora at the battle". Ali's trip was more downbeat. Loghain remains in character for sure here, he has no regrets on clicking on cailan's body produced a typical loghain line.

Thats a great shame Shale doesnt get anything, I just assumed there might be with the raven, maybe it was planned but not possible. Oh well.

Modifié par SinYang, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:03 .

[Kitako]

I didn't actually though of bringing Loghain there... I must get some old save to try it out, thanks

[vypz]

it was a bit short but very well done

[DianeLyn56]

I finished it yesterday with Alistair, Wynne and Zevran. I found the conversations with Alistair and Wynne to be terrible. They just did not seem right for what we were doing. Especially the last one - ewww - I could have lived without that. lol



Even so, I did enjoy RTO and look forward to more, thanks Bioware.

[BennyHartless]

I liked it okay. At my level it only took me around 45 min or less to beat it. Emotionally, I thought it tied in a lot better than Warden's Keep. I thought the loot was kind of weak. In the books, Maric's sword is the shiznittlefapsap. It's not even as good as starfang. And Cailin's armor isn't as good as either the blood dragon or the juggernaut. Duncan's weapons are okay, but I really expected some brand new epic gear. It was just reskinned and restatted, weaker versions of things I already had. Also, because off all the drama I was determined to not get this content based on principle...I made it to Sunday. Okay, Bioware, you own me. Now make good on the content releases and patches from here on out.

[Byron25]

Anyone know how to open the mages chest a RTO

[Dlokir]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I just downloaded and finished RtO on Sereda (level 19 dwarf warrior, 2H), and I'm... disappointed. Well, maybe underwhelmed is a better phrase. Cailan's Shield was terrible when compared to Duncan's Shield (T6 Duncan vs T7 Cailan), Maric's Blade is mediocre (probably better when I upgrade it), but Cailan's armor seemed alright. Will upgrade that too, however. Also found some gloves with "Rapid Aim" on them, which is odd because most archers use bows with "Rapid Aim" on them.

.....and a some of the gearing didn't make sense.

I think you look at this too quickly:

• Cailan's Shield and Maric's blades give a bonus when both are used. They add 5 damages and a bonus to endurance regen I don't know how much. With the bonus regen to life and endurance that brings the sword, use both seems not that bad, in general an interesting option and very interesting for fighting the darkspawn. A key point is to know the level of bonus regen that brings to use both.
• The best bow in game doesn't have Rapid Aim, those gloves add an interesting option.
• Cailan armor set is much more than alright, see the fatigue reduction it brings, and armor level. Not the uber armor but one more very interesting option.
• I also felt you overlook the 2H weapon (don't know the name). Again not the uber weapon but the chance to stun plus the endurance bonus of 100 and the dex bonus always good to get makes it an interesting new option, perhaps even cool for an Arcane Warrior. Or this weapon plus Cailin set is a very interesting endurance option.
• And for Ducan weapons, they are also interesting, +2 to endurance regen is very nice and +3 to Cun and Will isn't bad. When the dagger is just great if Tiers 7.
• And to all this nice stuff, often with original setup, you can add 2 dogs items, one is rather cool, the other is a new option for the dog.

Plenty very interesting items, nothing to complain about, except that this DLC has too many.

Modifié par Dlokir, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:43 .

[Belrix]

I enjoyed RtO, however, I did wish for more dialogue between the surviving members of the group. Even Morrigan should have had some comment, even though she wasn't there physically, that we know of.



My thoughts: Duncan - Noticing the fire was defiled by the darkspawn with the belief that they feared his power. Should have had some response with the chalise and the weapons when found from Alister, a response from alister besides the canned ones when giving him the calise .



When you talk to the guy that starts the entire run, he mentions that Callin did not expect to survive the battle and that they would all die. Seems a bit odd even after reading the correspondences.



On Eamon. He is a politician as much as any of them. I always found it difficult to put Alister up as King because I always got the feeling Eamon pushed it in order to increase his influence or even have a 'puppet', since Alister was a bit weak willed. I don't think he liked Anora to begin with, just from his conversations before the Landsmeet.

[Dlokir]

Belrix wrote...
....
When you talk to the guy that starts the entire run, he mentions that Callin did not expect to survive the battle and that they would all die. Seems a bit odd even after reading the correspondences.
....

Well he mentions first that the battle was lost even if Loghain hasn't retreat. This brings a new light from someone close to Callin. His sentence that follow could be understand in that context, ie that Callin realized during the battle that this battle was lost. 

But that would not explain why Callin gave the key before the battle. Perhaps I didn't quote some points during this dialog.

[Dlokir]

Relband wrote...
Two issues with this interpretation: first, Wynne's too sensible/intelligent for me to lead the conversation into that direction in the general context (return to the scene of defeat and carnage, finding king's body, all the personal stuff about the battle coming back, etc.); I can see her trying to defuse the situation emotionally, but she's too subtle to have to resort to this kind of talk; at a funeral you do not try to cheer up grieving relatives with comments of sexual undertone....

Wynne is used with such exchange with Alistair, I got more than once like that between them out of RTO. It's at level of private joke between them. It's not at all an official ceremonial but right after to have find the Duncan weapons and Alistair saying nothing, clearly because of the emotional shock. She had to do something and come back to their own private joke was a sensible way to go.

Then, although Oghren and Zevran are not too subtle about it either, in exchanges with both of them whenever sexually loaded comments come up, her reactions are unambiguously negative and she's not even trying to put the guys down with well-aimed retorts.

That's totally different context, there's nothing sexual between Wynne and Alistair, not even the beginning of it, and both know it. The whole difference is that there's frienship between Wynne and Alistair and not the beginning of any between Wynne and Zervan or Oghren.

Also from the weird Zevran Wynne can't be sure of anything and from Oghren there's a crude level she doesn't appreciate.

[Dlokir]

Byron25 wrote...

Anyone know how to open the mages chest a RTO

Try not use the key during first part to see if it works in RTO. It could be like the dog, a second chance, except in this case with a sort of little bug to have the chest closed here even if you opened it. Well perhaps there's two keys, and perhaps if you keep the keep you'll get much more contents because mages will have put more stuff there.

[Byron25]

Maybe will try it with my new mage and see what happens