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[Erode_The_Soul]

He's a real dick. I just finished saving Horizon (slow, I know) and met up with him. He wasn't my romance from the first one, so maybe that's why he was acting like such a douche, but it was "Blah blah blah Why didn't you tell me you were alive" and "Blah blah blah You're a traitor." I mean, I wasn't expecting a welcome back party or anything, but I was expecting a little more than a "F*** you, Shepard" from a former teammate.

Is it just Kaiden who acts like a jerk? Or is this how they handled Ashley too?

[Bebbe777]

Ashley was also a bithc. While Anderson, Garrus, Tali and Joker can see why, Kaidan and Ash just rant on.

[vallix]

Someone actually didn't kill Kaiden? Fascinating.

[MA5Bergey]

Both Kaiden and Ash basically spew the same garbage.

[highcastle]

I don't think he was OOC at all. Listen, I felt the same way he did. I hate working with Cerberus. Especially as a Sole Survivor who eradicated every mention of Cerberus from the galaxy. I can completely understand Kaidan's confusion and his disappointment in Shep because, personally, I'M still disappointed in Shep. I understand that Cerberus has the resources, but...still. A little more justification would have been nice.

[Anglerfish610]

I romanced Kaidan in ME1, and he still acted like a jerk when I met up with him on Horizon. Said the same things you mentioned, though he tossed in an "I loved you" here and there.



Was gonna remain loyal on my first play through, but after he gave me the council's whole "Cerberus is just using the Reapers to manipulate you." thing, I went ahead and sexed up Garrus.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

My MShep and Kaiden were best bros in the final run through I did. I could rely on him to watch my back no matter what. Then came Horizon...



I understood his objections completely, (he was with me when we took on Cerberus in ME1) but it was still kind of painful. I hope Kaiden will come around for ME3 and get my back once again once the galaxy sees I'm still a good guy.

[MA5Bergey]

highcastle wrote...

I don't think he was OOC at all. Listen, I felt the same way he did. I hate working with Cerberus. Especially as a Sole Survivor who eradicated every mention of Cerberus from the galaxy. I can completely understand Kaidan's confusion and his disappointment in Shep because, personally, I'M still disappointed in Shep. I understand that Cerberus has the resources, but...still. A little more justification would have been nice.

But you'd think a guy who knew Shepard as the savior of the galaxy, who bled with him, who is only alive because Shepard sacrificed a friend for him, would at the very least hear Shepard out.  It's one thing to disagree, it's another thing to not even give Shepard a chance to explain.

[agrue]

Need a Renegade option to kick him in the balls IMO. After what you went through together in ME1, he really needs to STFU and assume that maybe you have a good reason for what you're doing.



Tali and Garrus behave consistently when you pull a Lazarus and start going on about the Collectors being the next feint by the Reapers. Wrex gets a pass on account of being awesome, that and managing to set himself up as High Warlord of the Krogan while you were dead.



Liara needs therapy or something, while the surviving Alliance team member needs to get keelhauled.

[screwoffreg]

They send you a crappy email. I was ticked at choosing Ashley as my romance in ME 1.

[Vendrin]

Kaiden was my male sheps bud in me1, so it hurt to have him not trust shepard, but damn if I didn't feel a little bit of pride at Commander Alenko having the backbone to do what he believes in.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

MA5Bergey wrote...

highcastle wrote...

I don't think he was OOC at all. Listen, I felt the same way he did. I hate working with Cerberus. Especially as a Sole Survivor who eradicated every mention of Cerberus from the galaxy. I can completely understand Kaidan's confusion and his disappointment in Shep because, personally, I'M still disappointed in Shep. I understand that Cerberus has the resources, but...still. A little more justification would have been nice.

But you'd think a guy who knew Shepard as the savior of the galaxy, who bled with him, who is only alive because Shepard sacrificed a friend for him, would at the very least hear Shepard out.  It's one thing to disagree, it's another thing to not even give Shepard a chance to explain.

I'd also like it to go on record that he did just narrowly survive an extremely traumatic experience, in which almost an entire human colony was abducted by freaky bug things.

Evil robots are one thing, but living breathing freaky bug things that are more technologically advanced then you and bigger than you can make a hardened soldier shake in his boots.

Alot was going on at the time, and finding out Shep was in fact alive and working for Cerb was the final nail in the coffin. I think Kaiden and Ashley kind of broke down.

[Elessie]

Well, you died and were brought back to life by an evil organization that has no qualms about experimenting on people and altering them against their will. Miranda even mentions that if it were up to her, she would've put a control chip in you. So while you may know that it's still you in there, Kaiden has no way of knowing that. It doesn't really matter what you did in the past if the possibility exists that you've died and been replaced by some Cerberus zombie.

[sejmarty]

I just tune out everything he says. Carth 2.0 is just jealous that you didn't go find him and invite him to your party as soon as you came back from the dead.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

sejmarty wrote...

I just tune out everything he says. Carth 2.0 is just jealous that you didn't go find him and invite him to your party as soon as you came back from the dead.

I actually did try to get him back. I tried to track him down but Bioware wouldnt let me.

[ToshiStation38]

It's kind of a ****** off seeing how you saved his life on Virmire and when the Normandy was destroyed. I liked him in the first game, but his inability to see reason really ticked me off.

[Nyaore]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

I'd also like it to go on record that he did just narrowly survive an extremely traumatic experience, in which almost an entire human colony was abducted by freaky bug things.

Evil robots are one thing, but living breathing freaky bug things that are more technologically advanced then you and bigger than you can make a hardened soldier shake in his boots.

Alot was going on at the time, and finding out Shep was in fact alive and working for Cerb was the final nail in the coffin. I think Kaiden and Ashley kind of broke down.

I agree with this. Somehow I get the feeling that they wouldn't have been so harsh and unwilling to listen to your reasons had they not just nearly been kidnapped by the Collectors. Or, worse yet, having just seen over half of the people they were sworn to protect dragged off as they were forced to stand by helplessly. It's not surprising that they took all their anger out on the first outlet that presented itself, though unfortunately that outlet just so happened to be their long lost friend and/or lover.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

It's kind of a ****** off seeing how you saved his life on Virmire and when the Normandy was destroyed. I liked him in the first game, but his inability to see reason really ticked me off.

I'm still sticking with my emotional trauma reason for his ouburst. It makes sense to me.

[ToshiStation38]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

ToshiStation38 wrote...

It's kind of a ****** off seeing how you saved his life on Virmire and when the Normandy was destroyed. I liked him in the first game, but his inability to see reason really ticked me off.

I'm still sticking with my emotional trauma reason for his ouburst. It makes sense to me.

Yeah, I guess you're right. - Garrus

[Erode_The_Soul]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

ToshiStation38 wrote...

It's kind of a ****** off seeing how you saved his life on Virmire and when the Normandy was destroyed. I liked him in the first game, but his inability to see reason really ticked me off.

I'm still sticking with my emotional trauma reason for his ouburst. It makes sense to me.

I suppose, but like Joker says, the events of the first game weren't exactly the best of times. Being nearly vaporized by a nuke was probably traumatizing as well, but he still managed to keep his senses about him. After everything we went through, I would think he would have more to say than to just b**** at me for not being dead, trauma or no.

[shinobi602]

Kaidan/Ashley send you an email after the encounter apologizing, it's all good. They're just shocked that you're with Cerberus now, I mean, it's somewhat reasonable given the atrocious nature of Cerberus.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

ToshiStation38 wrote...

It's kind of a ****** off seeing how you saved his life on Virmire and when the Normandy was destroyed. I liked him in the first game, but his inability to see reason really ticked me off.

I'm still sticking with my emotional trauma reason for his ouburst. It makes sense to me.

I suppose, but like Joker says, the events of the first game weren't exactly the best of times. Being nearly vaporized by a nuke was probably traumatizing as well, but he still managed to keep his senses about him. After everything we went through, I would think he would have more to say than to just b**** at me for not being dead, trauma or no.

But imagine our friends are like a soda with a mentos dropped in them and the top on. Eventually all the fizzing from the mentos (the emotional duress) will create so much presure that the top will eventually blow off (Kaiden and Ashley's attack on you).

I understand thier reactions completely, but I still feel bad. Hopefully We can rectify this in ME3.

[cpolisch]

Kaidan was a jerk when I watched the non-romanced version, but you really saw what he was going through on the romance end. He was so emotional, so I'd imagine he's feeling similar, but it's not as obvious, he feels betrayed and isn't in love with you so he's just pissed off ingeneral.



I thought Bioware did an excellent job of keeping him in character with and without the romance.

[MA5Bergey]

shinobi602 wrote...

Kaidan/Ashley send you an email after the encounter apologizing, it's all good. They're just shocked that you're with Cerberus now, I mean, it's somewhat reasonable given the atrocious nature of Cerberus.

lol the email is the biggest problem.  The ME1 romance, something supposed to be on of the most important choices in the game, is reduced to a blurb of text.  Such a let down.  Would've been better if you encountered Ashley/Kaiden again or contacted them again and they apologized face to face.  Would have resolved the situation better, more satisfyingly, and would've given the love interest more face time.  It could've been as simple as encountering them on the Citadel or something... they tear up, they apologize, tell you how much they want to be with you and that they don't want to lose you, blah blah blah... just would've made it feel more real.

[yoshibb]

There are some spoilers in this post.



I was upset at first but I got over it. I got that email, and kind of understood the circumstances a little better. He was upset and confused. Hell, how did he even know that was you? People don't regularly return from the dead like that. You could tell he wanted to believe but he wasn't sure at that point. Then he probably ended up saying a bunch of things he didn't mean and there you have it.



People aren't always going to follow you blindly, but that doesn't mean they don't care. Put yourself in their shoes. I know Tali and Garrus followed you but it also kind of makes them unrealistic. Especially Tali. Think about what Cerebus did to the quarians, at one point you bring a geth on your ship, and she's still loyal to you. And she's known you for how long? A year at most? I was glad for that confrontation with Legion. She should be mad at me.



At some point Ashley/Kaiden probably realized their mistake. If it hadn't all come out at that moment, if they had more time to talk things out, then they probably would have joined. But the whole point of this mission is you don't have time.



Also I thought it was cute that since I hadn't pursued a relationship with anyone else, before the ship went through the omega relay, Shepard went up to her room looked at the picture on her desk, and walked out more determined than ever.



The point is Bioware wants you to be mad. They want to make it hard to stay loyal. It's good storytelling.