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[stylepoints]

I'd imagine you would still play ME3 but you couldn't import. Sort of like if you just fire up ME2 without importing your own character.

[ShadowAldrius]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

How can Garrus, Tali, or anyone else from ME2 be in the ME3 squad? They die in the suicide mission. What was it that Bioware themselves said...? Ah yes, "The disadvantage about being dead is that you can't go on living".

Except they aren't necessarily dead.

The issue with making Wrex a squadmate wasn't that he's dead, the issue was that the DEFAULT declared him dead (I mean if Morinth and Zaeed can be party members...). So all the new players and all the people who killed him wouldn't see him. Plus from a story-standpoint he didn't make sense.

I don't imagine we'll see everybody from ME1 and 2 returning. I'm positive Liara will, and I'm almost positive Wrex won't. I'm pretty sure Ashley/Kaidan and Miranda/Jacob will be. And I think Mordin could very easily be returning.

Garrus and Tali... I'm not sure about. Grunt and Subject Zero... not sure. I imagine EVERYONE will play the role that Wrex played in ME2 at the very least. Anyone know who's most likely to survive the suicide mission?

[ShadowAldrius]

rines wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

If you die in ME 2 your Shepherd is dead. End of story. If you want to go to ME 3 you have to have him survive.

You can play ME3 just not as Shepard.

No. Just not as THAT Shepard. You won't be playing a new character in ME3 if your Shepard died. You will have to start a new file.

[Faerlyte]

Well, I stand by the reasoning that we're supposed to have the choice as players and since it's possible for all of your squadmates to survive, that would indicate that some, if not all, should return in some capacity for ME3. What's the point in even having the option of everyone surviving the mission if you can't have some of the back in ME3?



You could do it a number of ways - certain characters will be available for recruitment if they survived, and if they didn't, they won't be . The fact that anyone can just go back through ME2 at any time and have the entire party survive makes this perfectly reasonable, even practical.



But I'm speaking from the biased point of view that wants Tali and Garrus back. There is nothing more fitting to me than having the two characters who have been with Shepard from the beginning return as squadmates for the final showdown. As the only two with the potential to have stuck out the entire trilogy at Shepard's side, that would be epic.



Especially if you chose to romance those characters. And not to mention, I think BioWare did a fantastic job in developing their personalities (Garrus and Tali) in ME2 so that they're totally awesome now. To build us up to that, only to violently wrench them away would be wrong on so many levels.

[Raltar]

At the very least, I foresee Tali and Garrus showing up as recruitable squad mates(they both seem to be the most popular Mass Effect characters, even without the romances). And there is strong reasoning for the rest of the ME2 love interests. Characters like Grunt, Mordin, Zaeed, Samara and Legion have less of an argument aside from "I like those characters, they should be in the next one."(none of them seemed particularly loyal, even after their loyalty quests) I don't think they would go through all of the trouble developing romance plots to not continue them in the next game. Especially not with all of the complaining people are doing about how they handled ME1 love interests in ME2.

Modifié par Raltar, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:31 .

[rines]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

rines wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

If you die in ME 2 your Shepherd is dead. End of story. If you want to go to ME 3 you have to have him survive.

You can play ME3 just not as Shepard.

No. Just not as THAT Shepard. You won't be playing a new character in ME3 if your Shepard died. You will have to start a new file.

No, your choices will import, if shepard died in ME2, then at the start of ME3, itll know shepard died in ME2, youll be a new protagonist.

[dr dANGER boy]

Raltar wrote...

At the very least, I foresee Tali and Garrus showing up as recruitable squad mates(they both seem to be the most popular Mass Effect characters, even without the romances). And there is strong reasoning for the rest of the ME2 love interests. Characters like Grunt, Mordin, Zaeed, Samara and Legion have less of an argument aside from "I like those characters, they should be in the next one."(none of them seemed particularly loyal, even after their loyalty quests) I don't think they would go through all of the trouble developing romance plots to not continue them in the next game. Especially not with all of the complaining people are doing about how they handled ME1 love interests in ME2.

Amen.  Although I think it would be a shame not to have Legion.  He's tied with Thane for my favorite ME2 character.

People are going to want CLOSURE which leads me to believe that your LI will have some role to play.  The question is...how big?

[Mox Ruuga]

Faerlyte wrote...

Especially if you chose to romance those characters. And not to mention, I think BioWare did a fantastic job in developing their personalities (Garrus and Tali) in ME2 so that they're totally awesome now. To build us up to that, only to violently wrench them away would be wrong on so many levels.

Kinda like making Garrus give you a hacking mission and babble on about the Shadow Broker, and Tali sending you an email after angrily storming off at the end of her cameo. Good thing Bioware never does anything like that!

Seriously, Tali and Garrus were made killable in ME2 for a reason. Bioware knew after ME1, what a chore it is to account for all the variables about characters possibly being dead. They still made the choice of making us able to kill off Tali and Garrus. They are mortal by design and deliberate choice.

This 100% tells us they are by no means irreplaceable.

[Mox Ruuga]

rines wrote...


No, your choices will import, if shepard died in ME2, then at the start of ME3, itll know shepard died in ME2, youll be a new protagonist.

Except Bioware has said this is not the case. Your Shepard save file ends there. You will either make a playthrough that survives the mission, or create a new Shepard with the default storyline in ME3.

[dr dANGER boy]

I wonder if they did this all on purpose. Reading some of these posts points me in two spots - hopeful that you will see your LI, be it from ME1 or ME2, play an important role, but also doubtful. There are just too many variables to play with like that. Think of how complex the game is going to be. I doubt your ME2 LI, if you choose one, will have little more than a cameo. Think of all the voice talent they have to bring back in. Martin Sheen, Keith David, Yvonne Strahovski, Adam Baldwin, Tricia Helfer, Seth Green. I think Bioware kinda shot themselves in the foot with the voice acting and such because it is so amazing in ME2 that it is going to have to be crazy for ME3.



Mass Effect is almost too complicated for its own good. They only people that I really would like to see return from ME1 are Garrus and Liara. I felt like the ME2 characters were much better devloped. It would be a true waste to throw them away, especially your LI choice.

[YanQuixote]

I feel like Ashley/Kaidan will join back up if you go with the Paragon ending in ME2. Liara hopefully will have everything sorted out and join the squad. Don't see why Garrus and Tali would leave Shepard.

I can see Wrex joining right before whatever the final chapter of ME3 while he tries to unite the Krogans before that. Miranda and Jacob will stick around. With the mission done, Zaeed leaves. I think Jack depends on the way you talked to her throughout ME2. Samara returns to being a justicar. Not sure about Legion or Grunt but there some of my favorite characters from the second game so I sure hope they return.

Thane dies of disease and Mordin of old age (50 yrs old, been mentioned a few times that it's rare to see a Salarian past 40)


Vorcha and Batarians seem like the only possible new species squadmates.

Modifié par YanQuixote, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:48 .

[Raltar]

I will be beyond upset if Tali and Garrus don't return to squadmate status. Almost to the point of not buying. Can't say for sure...but I have confidence that they will return regardless.

[Mox Ruuga]

Raltar wrote...

I will be beyond upset if Tali and Garrus don't return to squadmate status. Almost to the point of not buying. Can't say for sure...but I have confidence that they will return regardless.

How can they return? Both died in the suicide mission...

[YanQuixote]

Tbh I'm not the biggest Garrus fan in the world so I don't NEED him to be in the next game. Tali has grown on me though particularly with Liara out of the picture.

[Inriri]

I'm guessing who survives and who doesn't is fully dependent on what the majority of players have accomplished, kinda like what they did with the first game. A few of the fan favorite characters will live no matter what (after all, Bioware knows how to make us love them), and the most killed characters will be relegated to npc status for the people that did save them.



This works out really nice, because even if they're not available as a teammate, they could possibly still be on the ship to advance romance subplots

[Raltar]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Raltar wrote...

I will be beyond upset if Tali and Garrus don't return to squadmate status. Almost to the point of not buying. Can't say for sure...but I have confidence that they will return regardless.

How can they return? Both died in the suicide mission...

Uh, no they didn't?  I have the achievement to prove it.

[mcvxiii]

I want a whole new crew in ME3. I like new, it keeps things interesting. I do not play any of the romances so I don't care if they show up or not. It is nice to see some of them again, I did enjoy the meet with Garus others not so much. To me anyway those characters belong to a certain time in my Shepard's life and events, characters and my Shepard himself have changed over the course of two games.
 
Bring in the new I say.

Modifié par mcvxiii, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:56 .

[KainrycKarr]

The only givens i think that have a near guarantee for squad member status in ME3 is Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, Tali, and Garrus. Everyone else is pure speculation. It would be a major bust to build up an elite team in ME2, only to utterly disband in ME3. Same with ignoring the ME1 characters after using the "they must survive" excuse.



Personally, as long as my favorite Quarian(Tali) is with me, i can accept anyone and anything bioware offers. But god help them if she isn't a squad member in ME3. I will eat peoples faces. Literally. Then regurgitate them into mini-reapers that will spread viruses into computers first in Bioware's HQ, then the U.S., then the world, Skynet style.



You heard it here first folks. Tali squaddie for ME3, or I make skynet reality!

[KainrycKarr]

Raltar wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Raltar wrote...

I will be beyond upset if Tali and Garrus don't return to squadmate status. Almost to the point of not buying. Can't say for sure...but I have confidence that they will return regardless.

How can they return? Both died in the suicide mission...

Uh, no they didn't?  I have the achievement to prove it.

He just hates them personally and killed them off. He wants Bioware to never return them.

He's silly like that.

[Mox Ruuga]

Inriri wrote...

I'm guessing who survives and who doesn't is fully dependent on what the majority of players have accomplished, kinda like what they did with the first game. A few of the fan favorite characters will live no matter what (after all, Bioware knows how to make us love them), and the most killed characters will be relegated to npc status for the people that did save them.

This works out really nice, because even if they're not available as a teammate, they could possibly still be on the ship to advance romance subplots

Wrong. You do realize, that Bioware already knew of the difficulties of bringing back popular people who might have died, when they started writing ME2? Wrex. If Wrex is dead, he stays dead. If he lives, his role is such that gamers who let him die won't be disadvantaged of too much, or deprived of any great deal of content.

They still went with the "everyone can die" thing, fully knowing the implications. It would cheapen the mission if they would give someone retroactive character shields. Had they wanted to hedge their bets, they would have done so, by making some characters unkillable.
 
The time for fanservice is over, the next game will finish the trilogy. They need to be merciless for the sake of integrity of their own work. Besides, it seems to new focus on casual gamers is working for them. 2 million units sold in four days. You think they won't cater to the casual audience in the third game again? There will be mostly a new squad. INCLUDING new love interests.

[dr dANGER boy]

Inriri wrote...

I'm guessing who survives and who doesn't is fully dependent on what the majority of players have accomplished, kinda like what they did with the first game. A few of the fan favorite characters will live no matter what (after all, Bioware knows how to make us love them), and the most killed characters will be relegated to npc status for the people that did save them.

This works out really nice, because even if they're not available as a teammate, they could possibly still be on the ship to advance romance subplots

Nice idea but it won't work because otherwise ME wouldn't be about choice.  Think about the logistics.  Let's say they give Miranda a major role.  She is a potential LI so there will be some that choose her and some that didn't.  But what if she dies in the mission?  You have to fill that void with something else, which changes dialog, storyline, and NPC-NPC interaction.  It's gonnna be a mess trying to keep ME2 characters in ME3, which is a shame.  I personally really liked Miranda, Thane, and Legion.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

He just hates them personally and killed them off. He wants Bioware to never return them.

He's silly like that.

Heh heh, isn't it wonderful how the ME2 squad can be culled right out of the story, should you choose to do so? No more chicken legs in my Mass Effect! Unless... there's a new quarian squaddie in ME3. I wouldn't put it past Bioware...  

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

rines wrote...


No, your choices will import, if shepard died in ME2, then at the start of ME3, itll know shepard died in ME2, youll be a new protagonist.

Except Bioware has said this is not the case. Your Shepard save file ends there. You will either make a playthrough that survives the mission, or create a new Shepard with the default storyline in ME3.

Correct. I have a feeling Bioware will make the story canon with Shepard and *most* of ME2 squad surviving, if not all.  Though they also need to make good on their "ME1 LI's need to survive!" promise, so they pretty much HAVE to bring them back.

And not bringing back the most popular characters from ME2 would not end well with Bioware, and I think they know that.

Also, they don't need to bring back Adam Baldwin...the guy did a very small role, and I doubt it costed much. The only truly expensive VA they need to bring back is Sheen for TIM. Other than that, I think Bioware easily has the resources to make it happen.

Will not buy if at the very least Tali doesn't return. That's my personal requirement. Anything else i can accept. Even giant Terminator reapers(Seriously? That was the best ya'll could come up with?)

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

He just hates them personally and killed them off. He wants Bioware to never return them.

He's silly like that.

Heh heh, isn't it wonderful how the ME2 squad can be culled right out of the story, should you choose to do so? No more chicken legs in my Mass Effect! Unless... there's a new quarian squaddie in ME3. I wouldn't put it past Bioware...  

Doubt it. Bioware ticked a lot of people off shoving Liara and Kaidan/Ashley to the side in ME2. I think they know the same would happen if they threw away Tali and/or Garrus. I still think those four are nearly a given.

I don't much care whether the rest of ME2 stays or goes, good stories, but I can leave 'em in ME2 if need be.

[StolenThunder]

I sincerely hope that with the crappiness of the roles the original ME LIs were given that they're brought back as squaddies in ME3. I mean, they went through for almost a year with the mantra "They'll be back in 3, they'll be back in 3 because ONLY THEY CAN SURVIVE" that I'm going to be extremely disappointed if they scrap the whole lot of them.



For me, I'm betting that you're LI from ME1 is gonna be on board for the last game, Tali, Garrus, and maybe a Cerberus operative will join you as well. Everyone else basically said that they were hitting the road afterward - or that was the impression that I got from them.