120 réponses à ce sujet

[KainrycKarr]

StolenThunder wrote...

I sincerely hope that with the crappiness of the roles the original ME LIs were given that they're brought back as squaddies in ME3. I mean, they went through for almost a year with the mantra "They'll be back in 3, they'll be back in 3 because ONLY THEY CAN SURVIVE" that I'm going to be extremely disappointed if they scrap the whole lot of them.

For me, I'm betting that you're LI from ME1 is gonna be on board for the last game, Tali, Garrus, and maybe a Cerberus operative will join you as well. Everyone else basically said that they were hitting the road afterward - or that was the impression that I got from them.

Agree.

[Mox Ruuga]

Hm... Would ME3 really rid the rest of us of the loud and obnoxious Talimancers, just by marginalizing her? Is this the part where I start to bash you for wanting ME3 to be a dating sim?

Please Bioware, cameo her! Make it happen! You just sold 2 million units in four days! You don't need the chicken leg lovers any more!

[StolenThunder]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Hm... Would ME3 really rid the rest of us of the loud and obnoxious Talimancers, just by marginalizing her? Is this the part where I start to bash you for wanting ME3 to be a dating sim?

Please Bioware, cameo her! Make it happen! You just sold 2 million units in four days! You don't need the chicken leg lovers any more!

Ironically, I think this is almost what it feels like they tried to do with the ME1 LIs, but that's a discussion for a different topic. x3

[DK_DOOM]

I really hope since Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be the big finale, they go all out with the game. We should just get any squad member alive from the previous games back along with some new ones. We're talking about the fate of the galaxy here, GIVE US EVERYTHING.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Doubt it. Bioware ticked a lot of people off shoving Liara and Kaidan/Ashley to the side in ME2. I think they know the same would happen if they threw away Tali and/or Garrus. I still think those four are nearly a given.

I don't much care whether the rest of ME2 stays or goes, good stories, but I can leave 'em in ME2 if need be.

Well, I admire your confidence. Just remember what I've written on the subject, on this thread and elsewhere.

Fully aware of the implications, Bioware made it very possible for you to kill Tali and Garrus, and to take that save into the next game. Killing Wrex was also part of the "default" story, tho I bet most people have a save where he lives.

Bioware just sold 2 million units in 4 days. Think they will stop pushing the game to the casual audience?

But who knows, we shall see what happens in two years time or so.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Hm... Would ME3 really rid the rest of us of the loud and obnoxious Talimancers, just by marginalizing her? Is this the part where I start to bash you for wanting ME3 to be a dating sim?

Please Bioware, cameo her! Make it happen! You just sold 2 million units in four days! You don't need the chicken leg lovers any more!

Think about it. Bioware listens to it's fans. This history in and of itself leads to the ME1 LI's, and likely the ME2 LI's, being squaddies in ME3. What they did to the ME1 LI's was a mistake, and I think Bioware realizes that.

I hate a lot of the ME2 characters. Don't see me actually TRYING to to get Bioware to leave those character's fans hanging. There really is nothing to gain from bashing on it.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Doubt it. Bioware ticked a lot of people off shoving Liara and Kaidan/Ashley to the side in ME2. I think they know the same would happen if they threw away Tali and/or Garrus. I still think those four are nearly a given.

I don't much care whether the rest of ME2 stays or goes, good stories, but I can leave 'em in ME2 if need be.

Well, I admire your confidence. Just remember what I've written on the subject, on this thread and elsewhere.

Fully aware of the implications, Bioware made it very possible for you to kill Tali and Garrus, and to take that save into the next game. Killing Wrex was also part of the "default" story, tho I bet most people have a save where he lives.

Bioware just sold 2 million units in 4 days. Think they will stop pushing the game to the casual audience?

But who knows, we shall see what happens in two years time or so.

This logic is what gives me confidence; they know that some of this stuff was a mistake. A huge one, in the case of ditching the ME1 LI's. and, since bioware listens and obeys the laws of Fanservice, It's rather likely they will NOT repeat those mistakes.

[dr dANGER boy]

My predictions based on the variability of people dying in ME2....



-Just about all the ME2 characters, including your LI, will have minor cameos just like the ME1 characters did. I can totally see Miranda and Jacob playing minor minor roles after severing ties with Cerberus. Mordin and Thane will probably die. Grunt will run off to be with the other krogan. Legion will go head out to rally the Geth against the Reapers. Samara will do her Justicar thing. Jack could go anywhere. Zaeed will go do his bounty hunting. Garrus and Tali = no idea! Who knows how Bioware is gonna pull that off. But I wouldn't get your hopes up for seeing ME2 characters in any major role. They best they'll get is a cameo.

-The return of Ashley/Kaiden and Liara.

-Lots of new characters.



It is the easiest way to work it all out. Is it what I would prefer? No. We must hope that Bioware knew what they were doing when they created such likeable and personable characters in ME2. I want them to stay but it's not up to me. If it came down to it, I would want Garrus, Tali, Miranda, and Jacob back but I doubt you'll get any ME2 characters. I could live without the others being around though.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

This logic is what gives me confidence; they know that some of this stuff was a mistake. A huge one, in the case of ditching the ME1 LI's. and, since bioware listens and obeys the laws of Fanservice, It's rather likely they will NOT repeat those mistakes.

How do you know they know it was a mistake? You don't, you assume. Bioware hasn't said or even implied anything of the sort.

You then claim they know the "law" of fanservice. Was what we got in ME2 for the ME1 LIs "fanservice" in your opinion? More like apparent fandisservice. But after the initial disappointment, I agree with others who have looked more deeply, that there is a method to their madness there. They are taking a deliberate chance, alienating returning fans from their old LIs, and giving the noobs a bad/indifferent first impression. They won't know if they've succeeded or not, until we have seen the full extent of their plan for those characters.

They are on record for saying that one of the reasons those characters were not joinable, was to keep them 100% alive for ME3. No one from the ME2 squad is that important. I think Joker is the only SR2 crew member guaranteed to survive. Which too, is telling. Joker will be in every ME3 game, as will Liara and the Virmire survivor. Tali and/or Garrus will be missing from quite a few. Just looking at peoples' end of game reports, Tali is one of the more common ones to die. Along with Mordin and Jack.

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:34 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Some good points made in this thread. With ME2, some of us have become attached to the characters, and some would like the LIs available there to be continued. Garrus and Tali, love them or hate them, undoubtedly have a strong fan following and it will be quite some time between now and Mass Effect 3 for those very vocal fan communities to let Bioware hear what they'd like.



Now obviously there is indeed a lot of variables to consider with Mass Effect 3 with the major choices in ME1 and now the "who survived" decisions in ME2. It would be difficult for Bioware to establish a party with the likes of Garrus, Tali, or Wrex since there is a chance the saves being transferred over have them dead. And recording their voices as well as any potential replacements would be very costly to Bioware and just seems unlikely.



Bioware could establish a set "canon" where Garrus and Tali survived. As well as some other characters. But Bioware could also very well have Garrus and Tali around in some capacity but not in the party, in a slightly more extensive role than the ME1 LIs in ME2, say as a member of the crew on Shepard's ship? That way we could still see them and if you romanced them, then it could continue, though not having them in party form would limit the great character moments seen in Garrus' and Tali's respective loyalty missions. Just a thought.



Personally, I would love Garrus and Tali in ME3, they have become staples of the story and it would be a shame not to have them there with you as you eliminated the Reaper threat. But I think fans of the ME2 party should be prepared for disappointment should their favorite members/LIs don't make the party and have a limited role if any at all.



:/

[Inriri]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

This logic is what gives me confidence; they know that some of this stuff was a mistake. A huge one, in the case of ditching the ME1 LI's. and, since bioware listens and obeys the laws of Fanservice, It's rather likely they will NOT repeat those mistakes.

How do you know they know it was a mistake? You don't, you assume. Bioware hasn't said or even implied anything of the sort.

You then claim they know the "law" of fanservice. Was what we got in ME2 for the ME1 LIs "fanservice" in your opinion? More like apparent fandisservice. But after the initial disappointment, I agree with others who have looked more deeply, that there is a method to their madness there. They are taking a deliberate chance, alienating returning fans from their old LIs, and giving the noobs a bad/indifferent first impression. They won't know if they've succeeded or not, until we have seen the full extent of their plan for those characters.

They are on record for saying that one of the reasons those characters were not joinable, was to keep them 100% alive for ME3. No one from the ME2 squad is that important. I think Joker is the only SR2 crew member guaranteed to survive. Which too, is telling. Joker will be in every ME3 game, as will Liara and the Virmire survivor. Tali and/or Garrus will be missing from quite a few. Just looking at peoples' end of game reports, Tali is one of the more common ones to die. Along with Mordin and Jack.

Hey can you give me the link that shows the endgame reports? I had it a while ago but lost it and google does nothing

[goatman42]

Because the whole point of Mass Effect 2 was creating is squad of amazing characters, having Bioware scrape them all and start over would make most of the game pointless!

Mass Effect 1 is about setting up the universe.

Mass Effect 2 is about setting up the characters and leading into Mass Effect 3

So Mass Effect 3 should be about bringing all these elements together, and that means keeping the characters.

even though it seems unlikey, Garrus and Tali should be party members in mass Effect 3 simply because they have played such important roles in both games. they are like main characters in the whole story at this point. Besides in my game Tali has no reason what so ever to leave Shepard, and whatever excuse Bioware makes up is bull****!

Also I'm sure Bioware already knows what their going to do, after all they had to make Mass Effect 2 knowing that what happened effects Mass Effect 3. Plus their already working on ME3 I believe.

Modifié par goatman42, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:50 .

[Inverness Moon]

Legion is sure to be more important in ME3 than he was in ME2. Even if he dies on the mission in ME2, the geth could easily deliver Legion Mk. II because of the way they work. I also think using Legion to deal with the quarians will be an important part of ME3.

[mass_zotz]

You should be able to get everyone back in your party. If some die just make a few new characters. Even if some of the ME1 and ME2 characters can't be part of your squad, they should be part of Shepard's crew in ME3. This is the one thing I want out of ME3, and the rest I trust Bioware to deliver on. I don't want to explore new characters, I want to go more in depth and explore the AWESOME ones Bioware has already created. If Bioware makes new characters again then I wanna learn more about them except then the problem is that the MASS EFFECT TRILOGY WILL BE OVER!!!! I think we can all agree on that.

[dr dANGER boy]

I'm gonna take the viewpoint that almost all of the ME2 characters will have cameo, possibly minor minor roles. The only person other than Garrus and Tali that has a good enough excuse to stick with Sheperd is Miranda. Not only is she a LI, she brought you back to life. The rest of the new characters, although they are great, seem to have support roles. Miranda feels like the only new character who has much importance.



My philosophy on life (and it applies to ME): Plan for the worst so nothing comes as a suprise. If you get your hopes up, all you can be is disappointed.

[Headshotmaster]

If Tali doesn't make it into ME3 as a squad member, I seriously won't buy it. :|

I think Bioware opened up a can of worms by making the character extremely likable.



It sucks when you're extremely excited about playing Mass Effect 2, liking these characters, then realizing that all of these characters are expendable in the end. Expendable means new characters, And I don't F'ing want new characters. I want Tali...as a squad-member :<



I think the best way to tie up all lose ends for ME3 in terms of characters is to have it so that you can only import games where your entire squad survives. It doesn't kill off the awesome characters, it allows old squad members to come back, and it won't ****** the fans off.



I think this is where Bioware is going though, considering they did make this part of the game, and have it as an achievement. If not, I'll probably regret playing ME2

[StolenThunder]

Headshotmaster wrote...

If Tali doesn't make it into ME3 as a squad member, I seriously won't buy it. :|
I think Bioware opened up a can of worms by making the character extremely likable.

It sucks when you're extremely excited about playing Mass Effect 2, liking these characters, then realizing that all of these characters are expendable in the end. Expendable means new characters, And I don't ****g want new characters. I want Tali...as a squad-member :

I think the best way to tie up all lose ends for ME3 in terms of characters is to have it so that you can only import games where your entire squad survives. It doesn't kill off the awesome characters, it allows old squad members to come back, and it won't ****** the fans off.

I think this is where Bioware is going though, considering they did make this part of the game, and have it as an achievement. If not, I'll probably regret playing ME2

You see, though, this is how many people felt about the Mass Effect 1 love interests and look what happened to us. Sure we've been fed the whole "oh, they'll be back in part three, yes you betcha," but in all honesty what should we be expecting with Mass Effect 3 when all but TWO major characters got ditched from the first game?

It wouldn't be very surprising to me at all if the Mass Effect 2 crowd got cameoed especially since, in my playthrough Tali might have an oppertunity to become and Admiral in the Flotilla. I dunno about Garrus, but it'd be entirely plausable that the only interaction we'll have with the ME2 bunch is a few sideline quests.

[Dracotamer]

I posted this in my own thread but posting it here as well...

So, I was thinking earlier about his and this is how I think ME3 will handle squad mates.

In ME3 we will have:

Tali

Garrus

Liara

Ashley/Kaiden

Legion

MIranda

Jack

Grunt

Jacob

Mordin

Most likely not included:

Wrex - Grunt is sort of a replacement minus the biotics and Wrex will be a cameo etc. as he still needs to lead the clan/save the Krogans. He was also a killable option in ME1.

Thane - He is dieing and will most likely be dead or to ill to fight in the next game.

Samara - Liara replaces her and Samara said she was leaving after the mission. She will most likely cameo as she said she would come to our aid if we ever called.

Morinth - Same deal with Samara, she will go back to killing and hiding and you will have to stop her.

DLC sqaudmates will not be included.

That leaves us with 10 possible sqaud mates.

None sqaud mate returns:

EDI

Joker

Dr. Chawkwa

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/845980

Modifié par Dracotamer, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:02 .

[Headshotmaster]

StolenThunder wrote...

Headshotmaster wrote...

If Tali doesn't make it into ME3 as a squad member, I seriously won't buy it. :|
I think Bioware opened up a can of worms by making the character extremely likable.

It sucks when you're extremely excited about playing Mass Effect 2, liking these characters, then realizing that all of these characters are expendable in the end. Expendable means new characters, And I don't ****g want new characters. I want Tali...as a squad-member :

I think the best way to tie up all lose ends for ME3 in terms of characters is to have it so that you can only import games where your entire squad survives. It doesn't kill off the awesome characters, it allows old squad members to come back, and it won't ****** the fans off.

I think this is where Bioware is going though, considering they did make this part of the game, and have it as an achievement. If not, I'll probably regret playing ME2

You see, though, this is how many people felt about the Mass Effect 1 love interests and look what happened to us. Sure we've been fed the whole "oh, they'll be back in part three, yes you betcha," but in all honesty what should we be expecting with Mass Effect 3 when all but TWO major characters got ditched from the first game?

It wouldn't be very surprising to me at all if the Mass Effect 2 crowd got cameoed especially since, in my playthrough Tali might have an oppertunity to become and Admiral in the Flotilla. I dunno about Garrus, but it'd be entirely plausable that the only interaction we'll have with the ME2 bunch is a few sideline quests.

And that version of ME3 would be utterly depressing.

[Mox Ruuga]

SwobyJ wrote...

Now, we should be glad so many copies of ME2 are being sold, as it more and more means that ME3 will not deal with the 'new player' aspect of ME2, and just charge right into the epicness of choice consequences.

That's one interpretation.

Another would be that Bioware was testing the water with ME2, by making it more casual gamer / shooter fan friendly. The great sales give credence to their approach. I would therefore suggest that they will continue to make it easy for new gamers to join, even in ME3. This means the new audience will be catered to, to an extent. Which means a new squad, that the new gamers can get to know without any awkward previous history that happened in the past games. New squad, and new love interests. Hell, even in the "true" RPG, Dragon Age, they are mostly sidelining the old party members in favor of new ones. And that's an expansion pack, not a whole new game!

Bioware just plain likes creating new squaddies. This is the stage where requests can still be made.

Any dev reading this, I hereby request for Shiala and/or Aleena to be recruitable in ME3. Well, any asari without space aids, really. IN ADDITION to Liara, of course.