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[BlytheBrendan]

I think the end is very telling... You still have the new ship with your crew on it.



Miranda returns, she has split from cerb and has nothing/no one else



Jacob, same.



Grunt, same.



Garrus, same.



Tali, she was in ME1 and ME2, plus she has a HUGE fanbase.



Thane, dead. Illness its probably ment to be tragic.



Samara, Justicar, gone. (if you took her daughter, she is bat crazy and gone)



Jack, she has nothing else/romance, stay.



Science guy, gone. He has serious issues with what he did to the krogan, goes off to try and fix it or some such. Im really unsure about him.



Legion, gone..he is a Geth and has no reason to stay in your party. Will probably be your in with getting them to help you vs the reavers.



Wrex, gone. He is the leader of a krogan clan.



Ash/Kaiden/Liara, return. Bio has said your LI plays a important role. (Although, I think no matter what LI it will play a big role, ME1 OR ME2, I think just having any LI will have some major effect on the game.



__Notice how much bigger your squad was from ME1 to ME2, it would be very easy for them to have alot of returning party members. And I highly doubt alot of people will be importing saves where they lost ANYONE, its just too easy to get out with your intire party alive, but if you do import a save where one of the cast is dead I cant imagine it would be too earth shattering to just remove them..but, bioware suprises me alot with how they work it. (BG1 to BG2 as a perfect example ) I, sadly, think the loss of Tali and Garrus would ruin ME3..After playing through TWO games with them, I just dont think I could handle their loss.

[seyera]

It would be a shame not to have the ME1 and ME2 characters return after all of this. I think most will return in some role, mostly minor given the voice work and dialouge issues. I could see something happen where the party members aid the fight against the reapers. Grunt/Wrex lead the Krogans, Tali leads the Quarians (if you used persuasion to get her cleared of charges), Legion leads the Geth, and Miranda/Jacob lead the humans in some form. Most likely Thane will have passed away, Samara will return home, and Mordin will either have died or have some minor role on the ship as a crew member. Some how the other characters from ME2 and ME1 (Garrus, Liara, Ash/Kai, Jack) will work into the squad and you will have the opportunity to recruit new members. I agree its part of the game to get new members, so I don't think they will get rid of that component. This is all speculation of course. I have no clue how they will even handle the romances. That seems like its going to be challenging, especially if you pursued one in each game.

Modifié par seyera, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:35 .

[Aethelwulf1066]

Or they can just make it so default new-profiles are configured so none of your former team died on the suicide mission, and imported saves don't import your "casualty list" for major returning characters (In other words, if Mordin died and is only a cameo role in ME3, he wouldn't show up for your playthrough...much like Wrex. But if you had Legion die, but he was coming back in a major role, the imported save wouldn't account for his death.).

That way they can pick and choose who they want from ME2 and ME1, and work from there.

Modifié par Aethelwulf1066, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:34 .

[Corti78]

The romance part was one of the things they were pushing most in interviews. Especially interviews with Casey so I suspect they know where they want to go with those already.

As for who I think will most likely return as true squadmates, I'd say Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, possibly Tali (the whole admiral thing may make her npc material).

I'm not sure who of ME2 would return, I would suspect Grunt and possibly Miranda and Jacob to be returning squaddies due to Shepard being Grunt's battlemaster and Miranda/Jacob cutting ties with Cerberus.

Mordin most likely would be reduced to the ship's tech specialist npc
Samara would probably be back in Asari space
Jack has no reason to stick around for those that did not romance her
Thane could possibly be dead
Legion may stick around due to his interest in Shepard but may also leave to get the Geth fleet ready

I have faith in Bioware, they haven't let me down yet. I hope ME3 won't be the reason for me to start doubting them.

[dr dANGER boy]

Good ideas coming in...all at the mercy of the Bioware axe. It is entirely acceptable that they will grab 2-3 chars from each game and throw them into ME3. Say....Miranda, Garrus, Tali from ME2, Ashley/Kaiden, Liara from ME1, and a few new characters.



I just want to see my LI from ME2 have a bigger role than a "Horizon" scene, whichever one that is. Totally ruins the purpose of having a relationship otherwise.

[mass_zotz]

OMG!!!! OK I get that maybe not all characters will return to your squad, but people stop trying to thing of what Bioware might do instead tell them this is what you want in the game. Like common if us, the fans, don't tell Bioware what we want in the game then they might do something that will ****** everyone off. I personally thing this is the hardest thing Bioware has to do in ME3.

Example: What if nobody complained about the mako?Bioware might of taken it out anyways or changed it but what if the only reason they took it out was because of the fans and how they felt. I'm not saying Bioware should obey what we say, but listen to what the fans have to say and how they feel about certain parts of the game and then decide what the best solution is with the amount of funding they have.

Modifié par mass_zotz, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:51 .

[ShadowAldrius]

Sadly, that's basically what happened with ME1. Wrex, Kaidan/Ashley, and Liara all got cameo'd. Sure the outcome of keeping Wrex alive was a nice touch, but did it honestly matter? No, frankly, it didn't. Hell, even to some people, their romance option from the first game didn't even "matter."

Um, who cares if it 'matters'. I haven't played through the game without a surviving Wrex yet, and honestly, I don't care if I see a radically different plot on Tuchanka or not when I do play through one without him. What was important to me was I brought my new Krogan buddy to Tuchanka, Wrex made him into a member of his clan and gave him the seal of approval. That was incredibly cool, to see those characters interacting. And more importantly, I think Wrex's role is incredibly satisfying. He's helping his people, he died attempting that in some people's versions of Mass Effect.



Do I think there could have been more to it? Sure. I think it would have been cool to have him more involved in Mordin's influence quest. I really wish he'd had a mission of his own on Tuchanka. but I realize that's not feasible. Oh well, he'll be a part of the next game.



But then, the reason he wasn't a squad mate wasn't because he could be dead, it's because the default decided he was dead. So really, that's what we need to look at. I'm gonna assume that the default for ME3 will decide who lived and who died from ME2 for the most part. And I actually have no idea who that is going to be.



And anyway, Liara will almost definitely be back for ME3. She can't die, so there's no reason not to. And honestly, if they continue to follow the typical three-act structure then Ashley and Kaidan will be back as party members too. Everything from the first game that was suspiciously downplayed (the council, Anderson, Udina, Ashley/Kaidan, Liara) will be back for the third.



As for our ME2 squad, while I can't really hope to guess who'll be back, I know who I HOPE will be back in major roles. But it's not just that they can die, it's that ALL of them can die, and there's 10 of them. The number of characters in each game gets exponentially greater. I'm pretty sure they cut a ton of Presidium stuff for this game, so I'm hoping they don't get TOO ambitious for the third...

[dr dANGER boy]

I'm sure by now they know a couple of things...



-Players want to see their LI in a larger role than a "Horizon-like" cameo, whether he/she is from ME1 or ME2.

-Players want a few of the ME2 characters to appear in more than just cameo roles

-Players want new characters.



They know that. Question is, how will they implement it and to what extent?

[Aethelwulf1066]

The whole "Everyone can die" bit is already invalid. If Shepard is coming back in the third game, it already invalidates this. If they were true to the everyone can die scenario, then we'd be playing a new main character, and even Shepard would be turned into a cameo role, since he can die, right?



They'll either pre-pick return characters, and the import save feature will not account for suicide mission casualties, or they won't allow you to import characters for the third game.

[Mox Ruuga]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

Or they can just make it so default new-profiles are configured so none of your former team died on the suicide mission, and imported saves don't import your "casualty list" for major returning characters (In other words, if Mordin died and is only a cameo role in ME3, he wouldn't show up for your playthrough...much like Wrex. But if you had Legion die, but he was coming back in a major role, the imported save wouldn't account for his death.).

That way they can pick and choose who they want from ME2 and ME1, and work from there.

Again, this would be awful. Actions need to have consequences. Bioware has made it clear that those who die, stay dead. That's how it was from ME1 to ME2. That's how it'll be from ME2 to ME3. They didn't do this "everyone can die" thing by accident, you know. It was very deliberate.

Having your imported save bring someone back to life because he has a major role in the next game would be poor writing from Bioware. Why would they do it? They can write the story as they please.

A much more likely scenario is that none of the ME2 squaddies have a major role in ME3. That way their absence doesn't force Bioware to write major replacement NPCs. Or God forbid, replacement squaddies.

[dr dANGER boy]

You know what? ME3 won't be out for a very very long time. I think that in about a day or two, I'm gonna completely forget about Mass Effect and realize how far behind I am in college due to playing ME2 all weekend and not even think about all this until 3 months before ME3 comes out. Deal with it then

[Faerlyte]

BlytheBrendan wrote...

 I, sadly, think the loss of Tali and Garrus would ruin ME3..After playing through TWO games with them, I just dont think I could handle their loss.

Agreed. 

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Heh heh, nice try but no cigar. Bioware hasn't said that you will be able to take the ME2 squad along with you in ME3. In fact, they have implied something else altogether.

Bioware has, however, said that actions have consequences in the ME trilogy, and that if someone dies, they stay dead.

You kept your squad alive. They will be recorded as having survived the suicide mission, nothing more. Who knows, they might die during the time between the games, though I seriously doubt that.

Well that might mean something if I wanted a cigar.

This thread is purely speculation on what Bioware could do or not do, nothing more. Just because they imply something doesn't mean anything though. They could, theoretically, do whatever they want. There will be a default of some sort for the first time players who pick up ME3 without having played the earlier installments, and as was mentioned before, Shepard can't survive without at least a portion of the squad surviving as well. 
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[Mox Ruuga]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

The whole "Everyone can die" bit is already invalid. If Shepard is coming back in the third game, it already invalidates this. If they were true to the everyone can die scenario, then we'd be playing a new main character, and even Shepard would be turned into a cameo role, since he can die, right?

They'll either pre-pick return characters, and the import save feature will not account for suicide mission casualties, or they won't allow you to import characters for the third game.

Wrong.

The story doesn't continue in cases where Shepard dies. You can't import that kind of save.

The squaddies, OTOH, are all mortal. The story will go on whether they live or die.

Mass Effect is the story of Shepard. Not the story of Shepard and Tali.

[ShadowAldrius]

Does anyone know what the minimum number of surviving squadmates is for a surviving Shepard?

That may be enlightening.

I'm assuming that Miranda, and Jacob can't BOTH die if Shepard lives...

Modifié par ShadowAldrius, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:31 .

[Faerlyte]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

Does anyone know what the minimum number of surviving squadmates is for a surviving Shepard?

That may be enlightening.

I'm assuming that Miranda, and Jacob can't BOTH die if Shepard lives...

I'm wondering the same. I was under the impression that some of your squadmates had to make it in order for Shepard to survive as well. 

Modifié par Faerlyte, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:36 .

[Mox Ruuga]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

Does anyone know what the minimum number of surviving squadmates is for a surviving Shepard?

That may be enlightening.

I'm assuming that Miranda, and Jacob can't BOTH die if Shepard lives...

I saw someone on these boards say he or his mate got seven squaddies killed. Before that, the highest number of casualties I've seen was five.

[jegillan]

I managed to get 6 killed while attempting to see how bad it could go, and still managed to get my Shepard out.



On the issue of squadmates for the next game...I still firmly believe that most surviving members of ME2 will be available for your use. Bioware is going to have a hell of a time explaining away why the most badass team of specialists in the entire galaxy breaks up halfway through the fight. I get why Zaeed would leave to pursue his bounty hunting (not that he contributed much anyway). I can see Thane dying from his illness, but he's also an LI. Samara leaving to continue her Justicar ways, especially if Liara returns, is also feasible. Miranda has nowhere else to go if you go Paragon, and the same goes with Jacob (both LIs). Garrus and Jack (LIs) have nothing else to do. Grunt is sworn to you as his battlemaster if you do his loyalty quest, and Wrex is already taking care of the Krogan for a lot of people. Tali (LI) may or may not return to the Migrant Fleet, but I think that she is very likely going to stick through all 3 games as a squaddie. Mordin might die from old age, or he may continue to act as the team scientist.



I think, especially given the loyalty quests, the chance that most of these characters would up and abandon Shepard with such a large threat looming overhead is very unlikely. Hell, it took him DYING for the original squad to break up. I don't foresee Bioware pulling that card again. For my money, I would love to see a couple sets of DLC to bridge the gap between ME2 and 3, and then allow you to continue straight into ME3 with your upgraded ship and loyal squadmates. There will have to be at least a couple new characters to recruit to spice things up and fill in some blanks for those who failed to keep most of the squad alive, but I think that would work nicely. Hell, its about to come down to a war, I don't see why having the ability to call on 10-15 squadmates would be considered overkill.

[dr dANGER boy]

jegillan wrote...

I managed to get 6 killed while attempting to see how bad it could go, and still managed to get my Shepard out.

On the issue of squadmates for the next game...I still firmly believe that most surviving members of ME2 will be available for your use. Bioware is going to have a hell of a time explaining away why the most badass team of specialists in the entire galaxy breaks up halfway through the fight. I get why Zaeed would leave to pursue his bounty hunting (not that he contributed much anyway). I can see Thane dying from his illness, but he's also an LI. Samara leaving to continue her Justicar ways, especially if Liara returns, is also feasible. Miranda has nowhere else to go if you go Paragon, and the same goes with Jacob (both LIs). Garrus and Jack (LIs) have nothing else to do. Grunt is sworn to you as his battlemaster if you do his loyalty quest, and Wrex is already taking care of the Krogan for a lot of people. Tali (LI) may or may not return to the Migrant Fleet, but I think that she is very likely going to stick through all 3 games as a squaddie. Mordin might die from old age, or he may continue to act as the team scientist.

I think, especially given the loyalty quests, the chance that most of these characters would up and abandon Shepard with such a large threat looming overhead is very unlikely. Hell, it took him DYING for the original squad to break up. I don't foresee Bioware pulling that card again. For my money, I would love to see a couple sets of DLC to bridge the gap between ME2 and 3, and then allow you to continue straight into ME3 with your upgraded ship and loyal squadmates. There will have to be at least a couple new characters to recruit to spice things up and fill in some blanks for those who failed to keep most of the squad alive, but I think that would work nicely. Hell, its about to come down to a war, I don't see why having the ability to call on 10-15 squadmates would be considered overkill.

It would be overkill because Bioware has to create everything that goes into the game.  From a plot/story point-of-view, I agree with what you say.  But Bioware will have to pull off a damn miracle in order to get your ME2 squadmates into ME3 in any role larger than a cameo.

[Litos456]

Im still gonna hope that they'll do the whoever survives will be your squad mate thing for ME3. I would hate to see lame excuses as to why they're not there and stuff.

[hawat333]

Just gimme Jack, Garrus, Mordin, Ash, Anderson, a trusty assault rifle and Joker to pilot my ship.

We will pack some punch for sure.



Well, at least it's sure that two to four characters from ME2 will return in the next game. At least if they don't press the Blow Normandy Button again, but that would be way too cheap.



As for the suicide part, yeah, they can die but we will import saves where all/most of the squad is alive (or where they're dead, for experimental purposes, but let's skip that for a minute). So it all depends on the ME3 default Shepard they set up for new players.

Dropping the entire squad (core characters like Miranda or Garrus and fan favorites like Jack or Mordin) on a shelf just becaue they can die (if you screw things up), well, that would be... I dare to say: utterly stupid. And that's not a characteristic of BioWare.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Anyone think they are gonna pull a Wrex and make Tali an admiral? She did mention that her name was put up for the job and now that she's a galatic hero times two....