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[DeeLite808]

Why do game companies always think that people own HDTV or the newest and greatest tv sets?

I don't. so imagine my disappointment when I finally pop in ME2 and CAN BARELY read any of the text (including the CHOICES) for the game?

Im on a Flat screen 29" tV. Its 7 years old. No HDTv. Dont ever plan on buying one unless there is a real need for it (i see no need for one)

In all of the testing, dont you guys TEST on normal tV's?


What am I supposed to do now? I can barely see the text, unless  I sit like a foot from the screen. The choices are almost unreadable.

[Cobain Sideways]

Same problem here and my thoughts exactly. They couldn't be bothered to test this on a SDTV?

I can't read any of the text, icons, info in the powers wheel, etc... I'd hoped to buy a hdtv before the game released but it didn't work out. Now I'm paying the price. But still.... I'm playing on a giant SDTV using a S-Video cable and Ican't read anything unless I sit a foot from the TV, and even then I still can't read half of it.

I'm use to some text softness but this is the worse I've even seen it on any game. Had no problems with ME 1 on the same TV. So I'm sure it has something to do with EA's ****ty quality control and testing.

Modifié par Cobain Sideways, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:45 .

[IllNinjaMonk]

Welcome to the over 9000th thread about this. No, they don't test on SD television anymore as they are becoming OBSOLETE! You know, like VHS. I'd say if you're serious about gaming, you do need an HDTV. They look fantastic, are getting cheaper all the time, and it doesn't take a very big one to do the job. It's not a quality testing issue. It's a way to move technology forward. Kinda like how everyone complained about buying DVDs and a new player. People only boycotted getting one until they couldn't find any movies on VHS anymore. The same thing is happening here. Don't get me wrong, when I got Dead Rising, I felt the same way. Then I got an HDTV and I 'd.

[Cobain Sideways]

Well, I'm new to the site so this is thread #1 for me on the subject. Point is, SD is not obsolete yet. Still as many SD TV's and monitors out there as HD's. The developers still have to test for quality on both. Especially since they know type clarity is a big issue. Yes, eventually everybody will convert to HD. But that's still a few years off. It's just bad business etiquette to release the game like this.

[DeeLite808]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...

Welcome to the over 9000th thread about this. No, they don't test on SD television anymore as they are becoming OBSOLETE! You know, like VHS. I'd say if you're serious about gaming, you do need an HDTV. They look fantastic, are getting cheaper all the time, and it doesn't take a very big one to do the job. It's not a quality testing issue. It's a way to move technology forward. Kinda like how everyone complained about buying DVDs and a new player. People only boycotted getting one until they couldn't find any movies on VHS anymore. The same thing is happening here. Don't get me wrong, when I got Dead Rising, I felt the same way. Then I got an HDTV and I 'd.

this is absolutely false. Many QA departments test on SDTV sets as well. If Bioware and EA didn't do their due diligence to test on SDTV to make sure their game works on SDTV sets, then that is a serious QA department issue.

So what if YOU own an HDTV, some of us dont. Some of us wont. and many of us can't afford it.

As stated in the other thread, you provide $1200 to each and everyone of us with SDTV that can't afford one, and we will end our complaints

(Maybe not, because even HDTV owners are complaining about the small text as well)

Modifié par DeeLite808, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:23 .

[IllNinjaMonk]

As in the other thread, QQ.

[blargpower]

I don't think someone should have to buy a new T.V. to play a game. Is there screen options in the options menu that make the text bigger or something like that?

[DutRankEC]

IllNinjaMonk wrote...

Welcome to the over 9000th thread about this. No, they don't test on SD television anymore as they are becoming OBSOLETE! You know, like VHS. I'd say if you're serious about gaming, you do need an HDTV. They look fantastic, are getting cheaper all the time, and it doesn't take a very big one to do the job. It's not a quality testing issue. It's a way to move technology forward. Kinda like how everyone complained about buying DVDs and a new player. People only boycotted getting one until they couldn't find any movies on VHS anymore. The same thing is happening here. Don't get me wrong, when I got Dead Rising, I felt the same way. Then I got an HDTV and I 'd.

I agree. People need to stop whining about small things like this. HDTV's are not expensive at all.

[BULLETWASTER]

It sounds like you are in fact in need of an HDTV.

[DeeLite808]

DutRankEC wrote...


I agree. People need to stop whining about small things like this. HDTV's are not expensive at all.

no, hdtv snobs need to get a life. not everyone has an hdtv and not everyone can afford one.

[Jagdraben]

DutRankEC wrote...
I agree. People need to stop whining about small things like this. HDTV's are not expensive at all.

Are they so inexpensive that you'll buy me one? Maybe you can give me yours. Use it as an excuse to upgrade.

No?

Didn't think so.

[smilinpig]

 I have a pretty nice 27" samsung HDTV -- and I can't read a damn thing on it either. The script is so small I have to get right in front of the tv to see it! And half the info in game goes by so fast you don't have time to read it anyway.

Not to mention those hack things with the text. Thank someone they ARE color coded!!

This is the second or third game recently that text and in game info has been soooo small it's impossible to read. Wait til you get a little older too..it gets hard enough to read food ingredients....ack.

[Disassemble]

Per smilinpig's example, this is not an SD vs HD issue. Also, as pointed out by IllNinjaMonk, this is one of many threads about this. The reason why this is one of many threads about this is because a bunch of Bioware's audience are having trouble with this, thereby making it a real issue. It is nice that there are people who are not having an issue with this, but this is about the people who are. In theory this forum is about Bioware customers helping each other out with technical issues, as well as provide an environment in which to interact with the Bioware team and hopefully gain some resolution, be it good or ill, not to say inane things akin to, "I don't have a problem, so why should anyone else?".

[DutRankEC]

Jagdraben wrote...

DutRankEC wrote...
I agree. People need to stop whining about small things like this. HDTV's are not expensive at all.

Are they so inexpensive that you'll buy me one? Maybe you can give me yours. Use it as an excuse to upgrade.

No?

Didn't think so.

So because something is inexpensive it means that I would buy one for you?

[DeeLite808]

wow, that flew right over your head. "inexpensive" to you may be "expensive" to others.



Since we can't afford the HDTV's today, and you consider them "inexpensive" then you wouldn't mind buying each of us a set right?



No?



didn't think so.

[Malacath360]

If you are using a standard def tv that has a SCART socket then get an RGB SCART lead.

They make hell of a difference with games with small text.



Before I upgraded to HD I used to have problems reading the text in some games especially dead rising. Bought and RGB SCART and suddenly the smallest text was readable.

[just.sin]

I've got an HD TV and the writing is still pretty small... i'm not 8, i don't want to have to play 5 feet from the TV. I like all the ppl saying HD tv's are not expensive, as 90% of the time it's their parents that purchased them...

[DutRankEC]

DeeLite808 wrote...

wow, that flew right over your head. "inexpensive" to you may be "expensive" to others.

Since we can't afford the HDTV's today, and you consider them "inexpensive" then you wouldn't mind buying each of us a set right?

No?

didn't think so.

My comment must have flown over your head. Ask Bill Gates if he will buy you an HDTV and see if he doesn't respond the same, or laugh in your face.

[DutRankEC]

just.sin wrote...

I've got an HD TV and the writing is still pretty small... i'm not 8, i don't want to have to play 5 feet from the TV. I like all the ppl saying HD tv's are not expensive, as 90% of the time it's their parents that purchased them...

32" cost me $350. I can read the text perfectly. Only times that it is unlegible is when the text is over something in the background that is white, or a color thereof.

There are games like BanjoKazooie Nuts and Bolts that had considerably small text and needed a fix. But this game only needs a background behind the text like the first game instead of it floating in the air.

Modifié par DutRankEC, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:53 .

[Sunyavadin]

IllNinjaMonk wrote... No, they don't test on SD television anymore as they are becoming OBSOLETE! You know, like VHS.

Statistically, 50% of Gears of War players say otherwise....

And you made a poor analogy, too. As of 2005, 30% of US households still used VHS players. That's 8 years after DVD went mainstream. HDTVs only went mainstream about 6 years ago.

Modifié par Sunyavadin, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:59 .

[DutRankEC]

Sunyavadin wrote...

IllNinjaMonk wrote... No, they don't test on SD television anymore as they are becoming OBSOLETE! You know, like VHS.

Statistically, 50% of Gears of War players say otherwise....

You lost me on that one.

[Sunyavadin]

Mark Rein, July 2009:

"Over half the users who played Gears of War 2 so far do not have HDTVs. 
I think that tells you there are still a lot of people making the leap to HD."

Based on the data the 360 transmits back to MS over Live, on which video output it's using.

[DutRankEC]

Sunyavadin wrote...

Mark Rein, July 2009:

"Over half the users who played Gears of War 2 so far do not have HDTVs. 
I think that tells you there are still a lot of people making the leap to HD."

Based on the data the 360 transmits back to MS over Live, on which video output it's using.

Haha I didn't even know the 360 did that

[Madapaca]

Sunyavadin wrote...

Mark Rein, July 2009:

"Over half the users who played Gears of War 2 so far do not have HDTVs. 
I think that tells you there are still a lot of people making the leap to HD."

Based on the data the 360 transmits back to MS over Live, on which video output it's using.

You're going off that Eurogamer article with Epic and what that article neglects to mention is that the data was at Gears Of War 2 launch back in the fall of 08. There is also lots of debate as to if that is global or European numbers. Other sites have stated that it was EU numbers only. Add to that, the the article itself was written back in the summer of 09.

At best that is two shopping/holiday seasons of old data, at worst it's only one. Still, either way old data is old and Gears is played by a heck of a lot more little kids in their bedrooms than Mass Effect. The markets are totally different.

[Sunyavadin]

DutRankEC wrote...

Haha I didn't even know the 360 did that

You don't know half of what the 360 does to spy on you in the name of market research, hehe...

But seriously, there's a bunch of data the 360 gathers for statistical purposes, I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the XBox Live ToS.

As for the other comment - HD uptake seems to be following the same trend as VHS to DVD did. I'd say that at the current rate, based on graphing uptake so far and comparing to historical trends, it should be over 80% of the market by about 2012. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if that was more likely US figures, as HD uptake there skews the global figures quite a bit, due to the larger number of households on lower incomes than western European averages, who remain using SD sets. It'd skew the american percentages, while the gross number of households using HD could still be higher than in Europe.

Modifié par Sunyavadin, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:58 .