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[Mahalat]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

What posts?

These:

Nite77 wrote...

You didn't read posts by BioWare? They
specifically said (I'm sorry, citation needed, I can't figure out where
I read it, prolly bioware forums) that ME1 LI's wouldn't be available
as team mates in ME2 *specifically to keep them alive for ME3*. Because
*all* ME2 team mates have such high probability of dying, they kept the
ME1 LI's out of ME2 so the relationship could continue in ME3.

[spamhead80]

vallix wrote...

Rumor has it his lungs suck.

Yes, because I'm certain that a game that has the technology to bring someone back from the dead surely couldn't cure a disease!

[Eradyn]

Mahalat wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

That's what I said about the ME1 squad.  Here's hoping BW doesn't pull the same thing with ME3. *sigh* I'm personally hoping for an amalgation of the ME1 and ME2 squad plus, perhaps, a few new squad members (and within reason -- some already have established reasons for not being available, so I'll roll with that now that it's canon).

They must be gearing for that. Please tell me they would not insult our intelligence with something as trite as "they moved on" again. It cannot be as simplistic as that!

I really, really wish I could tell you that. ^^ Truly, I do, because that's the ghost hanging over my head right now.  I'm sticking around to pull for Garrus, and I guess that's all anyone can do: stick around and show support and offer suggestions.

[Eradyn]

spamhead80 wrote...

vallix wrote...

Rumor has it his lungs suck.

Yes, because I'm certain that a game that has the technology to bring someone back from the dead surely couldn't cure a disease!

*sigh* It makes sense, and yet they couldn't heal Garrus' face or give the man a new set of armor.  At this early stage, I'm not taking any chances.  I suggest, if people support something they need to be (politely) vocal and insistent about it.

[Tamyn]

spamhead80 wrote...

vallix wrote...

Rumor has it his lungs suck.

Yes, because I'm certain that a game that has the technology to bring someone back from the dead surely couldn't cure a disease!

Yes. In my opinion when Shepard asks if he can be helped by their doctors and he declines, it seems to me more out of resignation (since he said he has always considered he could die anytime, being an assassin) rather than due to medical fact.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

As the suicide mission itself implies, the ME2 people were expendable. Expect a whole bunch of cameos, if anything.

[Mahalat]

Eradyn wrote...

I really, really wish I could tell you that. ^^ Truly, I do, because that's the ghost hanging over my head right now.  I'm sticking around to pull for Garrus, and I guess that's all anyone can do: stick around and show support and offer suggestions.

I know. All we can do is hope the devs read these posts and bring Garrus and Thane back.  They listened when working for ME2, this is the time to let them know what we want for the next one.

Listen BioWare, Bring Garrus and Thane back!

[Tamyn]

Eradyn wrote...

*sigh* It makes sense, and yet they couldn't heal Garrus' face or give the man a new set of armor.  At this early stage, I'm not taking any chances.  I suggest, if people support something they need to be (politely) vocal and insistent about it.

You guys campaigned for a Garrus romance and got it. The Tali fans got what they wanted too.

So we can still hope.

[ToshiStation38]

I really hope Miranda is a squadmate. Or at least a major NPC.

[spamhead80]

Eradyn wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...

vallix wrote...

Rumor has it his lungs suck.

Yes, because I'm certain that a game that has the technology to bring someone back from the dead surely couldn't cure a disease!

*sigh* It makes sense, and yet they couldn't heal Garrus' face or give the man a new set of armor.  At this early stage, I'm not taking any chances.  I suggest, if people support something they need to be (politely) vocal and insistent about it.

I kind of like Garrus with the scars, gives him even more character (he's my buddy though, not a LI). I'll certainly be pulling for Garrus (and Tali) to be back in ME3, as well as the LI's from ME1. However, I'll be sorely put out if Thane isn't around. Not only did I find him to be well written but he's a kickass teammate.

[Mahalat]

C'mon, Thane outsniped me! That doesn't happen often. And he has an interesting backstory just waiting to be explored.



Garrus was cute: Chicks dig scars. He would do well with my group of friends!

[spamhead80]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

As the suicide mission itself implies, the ME2 people were expendable. Expect a whole bunch of cameos, if anything.

If this is indeed true there will be a whole ton of pissed off Garrus and Tali fans as well. Besides, Bioware are apparently prepared for your actual Shepard to die at the end and they have a workaround for that (though I know it involves playing a Shepard other than yours).

[spamhead80]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

I really hope Miranda is a squadmate. Or at least a major NPC.

I liked Miranda too. She kind of grew on me after a while .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

spamhead80 wrote...

If this is indeed true there will be a whole ton of pissed off Garrus and Tali fans as well. Besides, Bioware are apparently prepared for your actual Shepard to die at the end and they have a workaround for that (though I know it involves playing a Shepard other than yours).

The "workaround" for your own Shep dying in ME2 is not being able to import that Shep into ME3...

And, yeah, of course the Garrus and Tali fans will be upset. Just like the Liara / Ash / and Kaidan fans are upset. Garrus took a rocket in the face during one of playthroughs. He was very, very dead. He won't be back in ME3 as anything but a cameo.

[DK_DOOM]

Well if Mass Effect 3 is two years later like ME1 into ME2, you will be romancing a dead body most likely. =P



They never really gave a time frame for how long he has, though. I kind of feel he will die before anything can happen either way, which would suck. Thane is a brilliantly designed character.

[Pfor]

Are they planning on introducing more new characters in ME3? Because Ashley/Kaidan and possibly Wrex could make another appearance in the third game and depending on your choices 2 of them could be dead. I'm guessing that the level of choice you've had in the first two games will go further in differentiating ME3 for everyone. Of course, I'm sure a couple of the ME2 characters are set up to die anyway - Mordin's age on the Universe website is 50 and Thane is sick so I doubt they'll be there. Others, like Grunt and Jacob, are clearly just placeholders for their counterparts (arguable more likable though) from ME1. But I don't see why likable and important characters like Tali, Miranda, Samara et al wouldn't be available - provided you saved them, of course. At the very least a couple would make a return.

[Mox Ruuga]

Mahalat wrote...

I did read those BioWare posts. I don't think that specifically implies that LI's from ME2 will be disposable. Perhaps I am an optimist, but considering how much more time they spent developing these characters and relationships, perhaps I am not.

You don't think the fact that Bioware implies the ME1 LIs had to be SPARED the possibility of dying means anything? Why weren't Tali and Garrus spared this possibility?

I originally thought that they would hedge their bets, and only make some core characters (Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob) only killable IF you die yourself, which would make their death non canonical, but wouldn't make them liars when they say everyone could die.

But everyone can indeed die. Which has consequences. Just look at Wrex, and remember that he was the most popular squaddie in ME1. Bioware is not going to start writing major roles for people who might not be around. The time for fanservice is past, this next game has to close the trilogy in a satisfying way. And before anyone brings up the Virmire survivor, remember that there is the strong possibility that his/her role will continue in the interchangable ME2 vein, though far more major (ie. as a full squaddie). The Virmire survivor can be guaranteed to be in 100% of peoples' games. Unlike anyone from ME2 or Wrex.

Should someone from ME2 make it, they will be an optional squaddie at the very best. They can't have any major plot significance attached to them, that can't be easily given to someone else. And I don't think Bioware will start creating replacement squaddies to fill out the places of possibly dead ME2 characters... They enjoy creating new squaddies quite a bit (as can be seen from the new DA:O expansion, where the replacement of the Warden's old team is even more jarring), and will take this opportunity to do so. Except, I hope, giving us Liara and the Virmire survivor. Would love Wrex, but...

Lastly, not every ME2 squaddie will come back, even if Bioware does write someone in. You think Thane fans can outscream the Tali fans, or even the Garrus, Mordin, and Miranda fans? Because the Tali fanatics are already gearing up for another spam fest. Not that I don't symphatise with you a bit, since I know I would like Miranda and Mordin back better than anyone else from ME2, but the Tali spambots are relentless and more obsessed than anyone else in this fandom.

There is one hope: DLC. But Bioware would have to plan it so, that the ME2 survivor character's voice actor is around during the initial development of the game, so s/he can record dialogue with the other cast. Otherwise the DLC character will only interact with Shepard. And even then, I don't think every ME2 squaddie would get the privilege of being allowed to be a DLC. One or two of the most popular...

[Mahalat]

Pfor wrote...

Are they planning on introducing more new characters in ME3? Because Ashley/Kaidan and possibly Wrex could make another appearance in the third game and depending on your choices 2 of them could be dead. I'm guessing that the level of choice you've had in the first two games will go further in differentiating ME3 for everyone. Of course, I'm sure a couple of the ME2 characters are set up to die anyway - Mordin's age on the Universe website is 50 and Thane is sick so I doubt they'll be there. Others, like Grunt and Jacob, are clearly just placeholders for their counterparts (arguable more likable though) from ME1. But I don't see why likable and important characters like Tali, Miranda, Samara et al wouldn't be available - provided you saved them, of course. At the very least a couple would make a return.

That makes sense. But likable and important characters differ from player to player. I would say that Thane, Garrus and Joker are important as well. 

[Mox Ruuga]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

As the suicide mission itself implies, the ME2 people were expendable. Expect a whole bunch of cameos, if anything.

The odd hacking mission and an email too, Bioware can afford to indulge you guys a bit.  There's a nice place to have a picture of your very special one in Shepard's cabin, too.

[Mahalat]

This is not a matter of outscreaming anyone. It is a matter of opinions being heard and player input accounted for. That we find a character very interesting and want to see it developed further is nothing against anyone else.

[dr dANGER boy]

I hope that they do include a few characters from ME2 althought it doesn't seem too likely given the possibility of dying. I just find it a little contradictory that your character is supposed to develop strong feelings for a particular person and then they only make a cameo in the next game. Kinda defeats the purpose of have a relationship.

But we must have faith that Bioware knows what they are doing. They know that the Miranda LI fans are going to kill if she only makes a cameo. They know that the Tali fans will have heads rolling if she has a minor minor part. It will be interesting to see how they balance all this out. But mind you, they knew about this trilogy the minute they made the first game. We can only hope they know what they are doing.

I would like the trilogy to end with you and your LI together, whether it be the LI from ME1 or ME2. It only makes sense that Shep would find some sort of stable happiness given what he/she has been through. It's hard to feel attached to an LI when they are constantly changing every time.  I would be satisfied if your LI has a large role to play.  They don't have to be a squadmate but I believe they should have enough time to develop any relationship you started earlier.  Hell, that's what relationships are all about.

Modifié par dr dANGER boy, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:11 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Mahalat wrote...

This is not a matter of outscreaming anyone. It is a matter of opinions being heard and player input accounted for. That we find a character very interesting and want to see it developed further is nothing against anyone else.

Oh but it is. You can bet your boots that should there be returning ME2 squaddies (and that's already iffy), it won't be everyone. How do you think Garrus and especially Tali got into the second game? Some of us were quietly and politely satisfied with the ME1 love interests. Look where it got us. The cold shoulder treatment, a hacking mission, and an email.

[Mahalat]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Mahalat wrote...

This is not a matter of outscreaming anyone. It is a matter of opinions being heard and player input accounted for. That we find a character very interesting and want to see it developed further is nothing against anyone else.

Oh but it is. You can bet your boots that should there be returning ME2 squaddies (and that's already iffy), it won't be everyone. How do you think Garrus and especially Tali got into the second game? Some of us were quietly and politely satisfied with the ME1 love interests. Look where it got us. The cold shoulder treatment, a hacking mission, and an email.

Perhaps the quietly was the mistake. Try being politely outspoken and insistent this time. I know I intend to be.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mahalat wrote...
Perhaps the quietly was the mistake. Try being politely outspoken and insistent this time. I know I intend to be.

Honestly I don't think it's about that. The reason Tali and Garrus were in ME2 probably had very little to do with fan outcry. The reason they are pseudo-romanceable might have something to do with it.

Bioware clearly has a "plan" of sorts, and they aren't going to inconvenience themselves by introducing 9 love interests from former games as party members or people with large roles, especially considering 8 of those 9 are potentially dead.

[Mahalat]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mahalat wrote...
Perhaps the quietly was the mistake. Try being politely outspoken and insistent this time. I know I intend to be.

Honestly I don't think it's about that. The reason Tali and Garrus were in ME2 probably had very little to do with fan outcry. The reason they are pseudo-romanceable might have something to do with it.

Bioware clearly has a "plan" of sorts, and they aren't going to inconvenience themselves by introducing 9 love interests from former games as party members or people with large roles, especially considering 8 of those 9 are potentially dead.

I understand that, but precisely because BioWare has a plan, and more than likely had an outline from the start, I don't think they would shoot themselves in the foot and break the game immersion like that. Yes, LI's from ME1 were not prevalent in ME2, but they will be there in ME3. Something similar has to happen with some ME2 characters. There has to be a certain continuity, and has been of sorts. Precisely because ME3 is the conclusion, this continuity is important for both game immersion and story resolution.