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[Mox Ruuga]

And there WILL be new love interests, flings, and flirtations in ME3. Count on it.

In fact, considering that it's the end of the trilogy, the ME3 LIs might very well end up deeper and more significant than the one episode wonders from ME2...

[greatgeek]

me3 speculation: Thane is dead and we travel to the Hanar homeworld to attend his funeral (maybe his son is recruitable at that point)

[Faerlyte]

It would be lame for the ME2 LI to be made lesser or irrelevant to the ME1 interests just because of the suicide mission. That should make the ME2 interest MORE relevant - you've gone through hell and back together. Hard to match that.



At this point, unless BioWare flops out another awesome, romancable male turian character for ME3, I'll be seriously irate if Garrus gets the boot.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mahalat wrote...
I understand that, but precisely because BioWare has a plan, and more than likely had an outline from the start, I don't think they would shoot themselves in the foot and break the game immersion like that. Yes, LI's from ME1 were not prevalent in ME2, but they will be there in ME3. Something similar has to happen with some ME2 characters. There has to be a certain continuity, and has been of sorts. Precisely because ME3 is the conclusion, this continuity is important for both game immersion and story resolution.

I don't care if the ME1 LI's will be in ME3. Their role in ME2 already completely broke the immersion for me. Liara is completely uninterested in Shepard; all you get is an ambiguous kiss followed by crap.

So much for the romance. Maybe it will pick back up in ME3, but I'm not counting on it, so I expect that same level of crap for the ME2 characters at most. They're all potentially dead. The ME1 love interests are guaranteed to be alive if you romanced them, so there's a chance they might end up worthwhile, but I really can't see the ME2 LI's being anything other than a cameo. And as Bioware has shown, cameo = mostly garbage.

[Mahalat]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I don't care if the ME1 LI's will be in ME3. Their role in ME2 already completely broke the immersion for me. Liara is completely uninterested in Shepard; all you get is an ambiguous kiss followed by crap.

I'm sorry that disappointed you. I hope that is further explained in the comic, and perhaps addressed in ME3.

Perhaps I am, after all, an optimist. Huh. Ya learn something new every day.

[Mahalat]

SwobyJ wrote...

Stop getting me all worried about ME3. I'm gonna stick my fingers in my ear and yell over and over "LALALALA What's that? - every surviving squaddie from ME1 and ME2 are back in the team with only a couple new ones, resulting in around 15ish squadmates in ME3? AWESOME LALALALALA"

LOL! I wish I could follow your lead!

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mahalat wrote...

I'm sorry that disappointed you. I hope that is further explained in the comic, and perhaps addressed in ME3.

Perhaps I am, after all, an optimist. Huh. Ya learn something new every day.

No need to apologize. I have Kelly to soothe my Shep's jangled nerves.  I'm just trying to tell you that Bioware has already shown they're capable of wrecking immersion with love interest carry overs. It's okay to be an optimist, but don't get your hopes up too high when the odds of being appeased are already far too slim.

[Jersey75639]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Garrus took a rocket in the face during one of playthroughs. He was very, very dead. He won't be back in ME3 as anything but a cameo.

I heard that Shepard died in one of the playthroughs for ME2, it is definitely canon because of this, so I wouldn't expect ME3's main character to be Shepard and maybe you will get an email from him



Nah seriously though, I hope they bring back the ME2 LI's in 3 as squad members, they were way more compelling than the ME1 LI's in my opinion, even the returning squad members were way more developed and interesting than they were in the first one.  A few of the squad members from 2 could be considered expendable/could have other responsibilities, but if they start from scratch completely again or went back to something like just the original ME1 group and a couple new people, it just wouldn't make sense for me.  Plus, Yvonne Strahovski is amazing.

[Mahalat]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

No need to apologize. I have Kelly to soothe my Shep's jangled nerves.  I'm just trying to tell you that Bioware has already shown they're capable of wrecking immersion with love interest carry overs. It's okay to be an optimist, but don't get your hopes up too high when the odds of being appeased are already far too slim.

Thank you. You'd think I'd have learned with all the heartache in DAO! Your words now helped me take a deep breathe and .. take it easier. 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Jersey75639 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Garrus took a rocket in the face during one of playthroughs. He was very, very dead. He won't be back in ME3 as anything but a cameo.

I heard that Shepard died in one of the playthroughs for ME2, it is definitely canon because of this, so I wouldn't expect ME3's main character to be Shepard and maybe you will get an email from him

You honestly think Bioware is going to fully voice and write a complete large-roled or squadmate character that might be dead in so many playthroughs? Look at Wrex. There's a reason he's just a cameo with few lines. At most, that's what I expect the ME2 people to have. But there are so many of them that I wouldn't be surprised if most ME2 party members (LI or no) are simply gone or give a walk on role.

Just because Garrus "might" be alive for other people doesn't change the fact that he will be dead for some. And I think expecting him to have a significant role is putting way too much faith and blind hope in Bioware wanting to spend that much time and resources on potentially dead characters.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[Mahalat]

SwobyJ wrote...

Mahalat wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Stop getting me all worried about ME3. I'm gonna stick my fingers in my ear and yell over and over "LALALALA What's that? - every surviving squaddie from ME1 and ME2 are back in the team with only a couple new ones, resulting in around 15ish squadmates in ME3? AWESOME LALALALALA"

LOL! I wish I could follow your lead!

I was joking, yet it was the truth. I think it could be pulled off, since even if the maximum number died, you could still have:
-Ashley/Kaiden
-Liara
-a couple new squaddies

Oh hey, that's pretty much THE NUMBER ME1 HAD. I think it could be pulled off, and hey, who's gonna really import this type of file intentionally. I think ME3 should follow the assumptions the ME2 had in its defaultShep, and at least assume the more central/known squadmates make it too (Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Tali, for example).

And Thane! Can't forget about Thane!  

Fangirl moment aside, I agree.

[Dracotamer]

He has a year to live, not sure how it would be possible.

[Mahalat]

Dracotamer wrote...

He has a year to live, not sure how it would be possible.

 

Cure already being researched by Hanar.

[Jersey75639]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You honestly think Bioware is going to fully voice and write a complete large-roled or squadmate character that might be dead in so many playthroughs? Look at Wrex. There's a reason he's just a cameo with few lines. At most, that's what I expect the ME2 people to have. But there are so many of them that I wouldn't be surprised if most ME2 party members (LI or no) are simply gone or give a walk on role.

Just because Garrus "might" be alive for other people doesn't change the fact that he will be dead for some. And I think expecting him to have a significant role is putting way too much faith and blind hope in Bioware wanting to spend that much time and resources on potentially dead characters.

I think the disappointment would be far less if they assumed a few characters from ME2 made it through the suicide mission than if they assumed that none of the characters from ME2 did.  If they adopted it as canon that say, 5 or 6 of the characters out of the 11 from the suicide mission made it through to be squad mates in 3, you think many people would be that upset over it?

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think the best way to incorporate past LIs without a bloated team is to have an LI teammate slot mandated by a past save, where you only take the one you romanced and then the rest of your team is made up of non-LIs and new characters. Of course, this would make me sad because some of my favorite characters are LIs for the opposite gender, but I'd prefer it to not seeing your LI at all. It would still require hiring all of the VAs though, plus a lot of coding should they all have their own unique side-quests, so that would probably still be unfeasible from a business standpoint. :/

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Jersey75639 wrote...

I think the disappointment would be far less if they assumed a few characters from ME2 made it through the suicide mission than if they assumed that none of the characters from ME2 did.  If they adopted it as canon that say, 5 or 6 of the characters out of the 11 from the suicide mission made it through to be squad mates in 3, you think many people would be that upset over it?

Of course. A lot of people will get pissed off over the establishment of a canon. Other people will be pissed off that X canonically survived and is in the party but their favorite person Y didn't.

EDIT: That also would completely fly in the face of this being your Shepard's story. It would kill the carry over and gravity of your choices in ME2.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:13 .

[serjwolf]

vallix wrote...

Um, honey, read her post.

this

[spamhead80]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I don't care if the ME1 LI's will be in ME3. Their role in ME2 already completely broke the immersion for me. Liara is completely uninterested in Shepard; all you get is an ambiguous kiss followed by crap.

So much for the romance. Maybe it will pick back up in ME3, but I'm not counting on it, so I expect that same level of crap for the ME2 characters at most. They're all potentially dead. The ME1 love interests are guaranteed to be alive if you romanced them, so there's a chance they might end up worthwhile, but I really can't see the ME2 LI's being anything other than a cameo. And as Bioware has shown, cameo = mostly garbage.

I'll give you that the treatment of the ME1 love interests in ME2 sucked, even with the excuse of keeping them out of the action so that they could be "kept alive" for the last game. However, if you picked up a love interest in the second game because you just weren't interested in any of the original options it would be fair to be able to continue that in some way. This is the last game in the trilogy and it would suck to be penalized for not choosing the first go around. They could at least be given the Wrex treatment, if nothing else.

[goatman42]

Thane died in my game so it doesn't really matter to me.

Modifié par goatman42, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:20 .

[Jersey75639]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Of course. A lot of people will get pissed off over the establishment of a canon. Other people will be pissed off that X canonically survived and is in the party but their favorite person Y didn't.

EDIT: That also would completely fly in the face of this being your Shepard's story. It would kill the carry over and gravity of your choices in ME2.

If people are assumed to have died and given a minor role because of it it's basically the same as assuming that they lived, only instead of being there, they aren't.  I would prefer they were there.  Making it pointless for 3 to have someone alive at the end of 2 is just as bad as making it pointless for 3 to have someone dead at the end of 2.  my opinion

Edit: And the 5 or 6 was just a random number, I wouldn't care if they brought all of the characters from 2, though there are some that it could be explained very easy logically why they couldn't be part of your squad for ME3.

Modifié par Jersey75639, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:30 .

[Nyx]

Personally, I wouldn't want him to be revived for the ME3 storyline if it post-dates his, ehm, condition's deadline. This just seems to cheapen the effect of being involved with someone who has terminal illness, and the type of relationship that is established because of it. I appreciate all the consideration Bioware has given to their fans, but unless they can avoid the cheesy "cancer-isn't-so-serious-after-all" soap-opera gimmick, I would prefer them to concentrate on writing an impressive story to their greatest capabilities, and then filling in the details with fan input.

Of course, everyone is entitlted to their opinions; however, I see much more potential in Thane going out with a bang, so to speak. It'd be cool to see him and FemShep spend time together living life to the fullest, before he finally leaves the world in a Wynne-like manner: peaceful and satisfied. Or something along those lines. No matter how I play Shep, she always has this "nothing is impossible" or "carpe diem" attitude, and I'm hoping to see more of this impact on Thane if he returns in ME3.

Modifié par Nyx.Aeterna, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:18 .