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[Mox Ruuga]

Bioware will deal with the loose ends somehow. Whether badly or not, remains to be seen.

ME2 was the dark second act. Does anyone honestly believe ME3 is going to be any lighter? No, it will be darker. One of the devs (or doctors, can't remember which) used the analogy of "ME1 is Shepard climbing a tree, ME2 is throwing rocks at Shepard, trying to get him to fall. ME3 is Shepard falling from the tree". So expect more darkness, tho I bet we will get a (somewhat) happy ending.

Who's to say ME3 won't begin with the death of your ME2 squad? I doubt they will destroy the Normandy or kill Shepard again, but count on things beginning explosively once again. This would be the perfect way to clean the slate. The old squad and the ME2 LI wouldn't be forgotten (another picture in Shepard's cabin, a post death side quest of bringing the news to some loved one etc.), but they wouldn't play major roles after the beginning.

I hereby withdraw any sort of implied ownership from this idea, and welcome Bioware to take it into use. If you haven't already thought of something similar...

[Pfor]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Jersey75639 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Garrus took a rocket in the face during one of playthroughs. He was very, very dead. He won't be back in ME3 as anything but a cameo.

I heard that Shepard died in one of the playthroughs for ME2, it is definitely canon because of this, so I wouldn't expect ME3's main character to be Shepard and maybe you will get an email from him

You honestly think Bioware is going to fully voice and write a complete large-roled or squadmate character that might be dead in so many playthroughs? Look at Wrex. There's a reason he's just a cameo with few lines. At most, that's what I expect the ME2 people to have. But there are so many of them that I wouldn't be surprised if most ME2 party members (LI or no) are simply gone or give a walk on role.

Just because Garrus "might" be alive for other people doesn't change the fact that he will be dead for some. And I think expecting him to have a significant role is putting way too much faith and blind hope in Bioware wanting to spend that much time and resources on potentially dead characters.

Bioware have put a lot of effort into this already. Who's to say that they won't put in some potentially dead characters? After all, they already need to write roles for both Ashley and Kaidan and only one of them is going to be in the third game. Makes sense that they'd write in a lot of the other characters - maybe not Thane or Mordin or Zaeed but definitely the ones that figure heavily into the plot and are likely to still be alive by then. 

[Nyx]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Bioware will deal with the loose ends somehow. Whether badly or not, remains to be seen.

ME2 was the dark second act. Does anyone honestly believe ME3 is going to be any lighter? No, it will be darker. One of the devs (or doctors, can't remember which) used the analogy of "ME1 is Shepard climbing a tree, ME2 is throwing rocks at Shepard, trying to get him to fall. ME3 is Shepard falling from the tree". So expect more darkness, tho I bet we will get a (somewhat) happy ending.

I don't remember the exact wording of the quote, but I remember interpreting it as ME2 being the darkest act, with ME3 being the part where all this confusion starts to make sense. The characters no longer dwell in the ignorance closet, and they know exactly who they have to fight, or at least what their ultimate goal is. The story may have the same sense of danger and even more, though the fear factor has been lowered considerably. Everyone (not just Shep's Dirty Dozen) starts to toughen up and work together against a common enemy despite the odds.     

Modifié par Nyx.Aeterna, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:53 .

[KalliChan07]

I wouldn't be too worried. Thane seems to be a very important character to the ME franchise. For goodness sakes he's in the idle cinema.. not just game graphics, he's fully cinema'd out with shepard and grunt.



If he does die.. /bitter shepard is on the way!!

[Delsch]

Well yeah the odds might be low and it's a bit too soon to start worrying about ME 3.



But this is about oppinions. I loved Thane and I really want to see him in ME 3, definitly as a LI. I know there's more to his background and to me, he was so better than Kaidan.



There's probably new love interests and such for ME 3 but the devs said that the ME1 LIs would continue in ME3 (I think) so I see no reason why the ME2 ones can't be continued too. Sure it's going to be a tough job for them to arrange and tie everything together in ME 3. But personally I'd want people I've been with before for that mission. People I trust and such. But we know that won't happen cause we need new characters too... I just hope the the old ones wont be pushed aside cause of it, especielly the LIs...



Altogether Thane is my fave character of ME2 and thus I want him in ME 3. One's allowed to hope and that's what I'm gonna do.

[KainrycKarr]

Tali is the *only* squadmate that I need in ME3 to make me buy it. If that character is unavailable, I simply won't buy the game, and I won't be found in the forums.



I recommend when the development starts getting talk, that if you want your favorite character back, be vocal. Not rude, but vocal.



Too soon, and they will ignore you. Too late, and it will be too late for the devs to change anything to appease anyone.



Best bet would simply be to start pulling for your favorite character come development time.

[Mahalat]

How do we know when it's development time? *sigh*



I have hope, and 2 years to play the first 2 games. I am BioWare addicted, but if they break my heart again, I might just return to bellydancing..

[EJon]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

And there WILL be new love interests, flings, and flirtations in ME3. Count on it.

In fact, considering that it's the end of the trilogy, the ME3 LIs might very well end up deeper and more significant than the one episode wonders from ME2...

Not really. ME1 and 2 have been about getting the characters ready for the big fight - ME3 is about the big fight. i wouldn't count on any new LI's or many new squad members. Maybe 1 or 2 new recruits, but thats it.

[Mahalat]

Shavon, I love your signature. Now I know what I'm going to play once I am done with ME2 ...which will not be for another 3 or 4 runthroughs.

[Menzana Leanda]

I really hope, that there will be a way (maybe sidequest) to cure Thanes disease. He is such an awesome character and the romance was so touching.

[AtreiyaN7]

Yep, I've converted to Thane fandom. I WAS going to stay faithful to Kaidan, but eh. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably one of the few people who was actually satisfied with the meeting on Horizon. I've always seen it from the ME1 LI's point of view (Kaidan in my case). How can you possibly expect hearts and flowers after he spent two years trying to get over Shepard? He gets hit by the double-whammy of finding out that you're alive AND working for Cerberus - the group you opposed in ME1 that was responsible for murder (Admiral Kahoku) and terrible experiments (Rachni, Thorian creepers...whatever they did to Toombs, etc. etc.). You expect a dedicated Alliance soldier to react well to that? And Kaidan was right, how was he to know you're not being mind-controlled, etc., given that it was Cerberus that rebuilt you? The ME1 LI has his/her world turned upside down, so I thought it was realistic. The result was that while I still cared for him and thought about the e-mail, I opted to at least try one of the new ME2 LIs out before doing a "faithful" playthrough (maybe on my last run - still have Jacob/Garrus left ). I eventually found Thane's story and personality compelling enough to pursue that particular romance option.

Now you might say: what about Tali and Garrus? THEY believed in your character, why doesn't my LI believe in me like that too? To that I respond with this: Tali and Garrus have both personally seen you in action (Tali on Freedom's Progress AND during her recruiting mission, while Garrus sees you on his recruiting mission on Omega). Therefore, they actually have enough time to know with 100% certainty that you're still the same Shepard. I was satisfied with what was done, even the changes in Liara. If you click on that dialogue option a lot of people miss, it explains a lot (including the fact that Liara does care for Shepard, although it applies to non-romantic relationships as well). Two years can change a person a lot, especially if they've had to do terrible things/attempt to rebuild their lives/suffer from guilt.

All in all, I was quite happy with the characters in ME2, especially the LIs. I believe they were far more interesting than most of the ME1 LIs (and I still like Kaidan ). This could potentially set up conflicts in ME3 and force a choice between two LIs (which I would be interested in seeing). Hopefully Thane survives - I would think that maybe you could convince Mordin to help with the research too even if the Hanar are already working on that, although Mordin might try to modify the genophage again/come up with a cure depending on what you did. Besides, he's kind of old for a Salarian - no idea how much longer he has.

As for the roles that characters will play in ME3 since this has been brought up: it seems quite likely as someone else in another thread posited that you might just have to build an army. If this is what happens, it would seem logical for Wrex to possibly have a continuing cameo role as the most powerful warlord on Tuchanka and managing to finally unify the clans in time. As Grunt is also now part of the Urdnot clan it might be possible that he goes to Tuchanka as well. Depending on what happened at Tali's trial, it looks (in my case) as if Tali might rejoin the Migrant Fleet and maybe even become an admiral, perhaps. So there are three characters who might logically be seen as non-team members. Mordin is definitely old for a Salarian so it is possible that he dies. I'd be sad if he did however because he is the most awesome singing Salarian scientist, ever. I can see Zaeed potentially going back to being a merc, but this is ALL just speculation. I can see Garrus sticking around and the others as well though for sure (especially if you blow up the base and go on the run from Cerberus).

And finally: more Thane in ME3, thanks. I do want him to live - it was too romantic for him to just...die even though it's a logical, if unpleasant, oucome. I'd still prefer that he survives however.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:25 .

[Wynne]

I loved absolutely EVERYthing about Thane... almost. Disclaimer: I love Thane, I REALLY do, and I love ME2 so much--I would probably rate it a ten simply because I'm not sure how it could have been a more perfect game when it was made by imperfect human beings; it's about the best flawed creatures such as our species can do, in my opinion. So please don't take the following wall of text as being an insult to the game, or even to Thane. I don't blame either for the one terrible disease from which Thane suffers (and I'm not referring to his lung ailment.)

Thane is complex, sensitive, intelligent, moral but not unrealistic about it, incredibly attractive in every single way while not being overly obvious estrogen brigade bait (read: fanservice.) He's still a highly interesting character even if you are playing a male or your character's not attracted to men. He was almost the ideal love interest--he almost topped Gann from Mask of the Betrayer, whom I found to be pretty damned perfect.

And then came the agonizing Carth backstory and the change from the mesmerizing E3 sound to a 60-year-old chainsmoker's voice--although, since that might be the lung disease, the Carth backstory is the only real problem. But that one problem is a nuclear missile of a problem. Whoever thought it was a good idea, I would love to know. Right before I shove a mud pie into their face and force them to repeat "I will never foist a Carth cliche backstory on female gamers ever again. I will avoid duplicating Carth's weaker traits as a LI in every way" five hundred twenty-four times. Don't get me wrong, I am honestly incredibly appreciative of the three LIs we got in this game (or 4 if you count Kelly as an LI) and I was thrilled at the eye candy we got from Jacob, but the Carth syndrome was like a tumor growing out of someone's face. I did my best to ignore it, but never entirely succeeded.

I have to know. Who on earth is insane enough to think that a woman wants to be given THE SAME NICKNAME AS HER BOYFRIEND'S DEAD WIFE?! "Siha" was almost romantic, sweet, and beautiful. Instead, it comes off as... kinda creepy. Flattering, but wince-worthy at the same time. "I called my dead wife that. You're another one of those." Points for giving the player the option to say "I can't replace your wife," but if your thinking was that bright, why not just not make the mistake in the first place?

This is made all the more excruciating by the fact that drell have PERFECT memories. He slips into flashbacks so easily, and at seemingly random times only punctuated by the fact that they are connected to strong emotions, which seem to trigger them at the slightest provocation. I love this drell characteristic, except that in this particular case we have someone who has not only had sex with another woman, he was incredibly in love with her. You know what else can provoke strong emotions as well as distinctive physical sensations and thus might be enough to trigger powerful flashbacks? SEX!!!  So to clarify, we have a love interest who AT ANY MOMENT DURING SEX MIGHT SLIP INTO A MEMORY OF GETTING IT ON WITH HIS PERFECT DEAD WIFE?! *bashes forehead against keyboard repeatedly* Who thought that was an awesome idea? WHO? I mean, it's one thing if he remembered sex with someone else and found it lacking emotionally, but how are we supposed to feel our Shepard has a real connection with another character if half his conversations feature the dead perfect wife who redeemed his soul and the kid he abandoned? "Oh, honey, it's so romantic when you talk about Irikah's sunset-colored eyes and how you abandoned your son in order to go obsessively hunt down her killers. Do it again." Somebody tell me who would EVER say that? And who would talk extensively about such things to someone they found attractive? What kind of pathetically socially inept person would DO that? It's like, "I find you attractive and appealing, so I'm going to show it by making sure when you're getting to know me you think of me as someone else's husband and some kid old enough to date you's dad."

Romancing the single deadbeat dad is more material for a Lifetime movie than a love interest in a sophisticated universe like this one. Especially when you are forced to get INVOLVED in the family issues. *facepalm* Yes, it was slightly better than normal because it's at least about him trying to assassinate someone... but though I can see the good in it, and it was about as well done as something like that can be, it was still... ugh. Torture. It made me start to see Thane in a very neutral, anti-romantic context--which is something that you reeeeeeaaally can't afford for a love interest. 

I'm really finding this unfathomable. I don't recall seeing a romance where a male player gets called the same nickname his girlfriend used to call her dead husband. I don't recall seeing a romance where a male player has to help her patch things up with her annoying wayward daughter who has mommy abandonment issues. We've had three dead wife/children combinations--Carth, Sky, and Thane, whereas this has NEVER been done to a male player. (Yes, Jaheira was married, but Khalid was nothing like the PC, she doesn't see you as him, and she didn't have kids.)

It's not that I don't think a person is worthy of love if they've been in love already or if they've already lived a while. That's not it in the slightest. But it's an acquired taste and a rare story for a reason, and when you have already had a true love, sometimes it might be better to let that lie. Thane gave every impression of thinking that Irikah with her sunset-colored eyes (sounds very much like purple prose, that one phrase; it made me want to barf) was utterly perfect for him. She "woke" him "from his battle sleep." Why couldn't the player do that? Why couldn't Thane do it to himself? Why couldn't he discover some sort of Bokononism-esque religion and find peace for HIMSELF instead of being rescued by a woman? And knowing that he had such a relationship, why knowingly entangle yourself in such a sticky situation? 

A man who has memories he can slip back into at any second... it made me feel like, why get involved with him? Yeah, he's a bit lonely now, but he already had his ideal woman and he can remember those times with her perfectly; experience them over again in his head. So... why am I necessary? What's the point of romancing someone who can compare you to incredibly vivid memories of another woman? The normal insecurities one would have in romancing a person who already loved someone else are intensified tenfold by his species' characteristics. 

In all honesty, I would kinda love to see Thane brought back in ME3 as an LI. In fact, I can't imagine a more perfect look and personality for a love interest. I love his species. The voice actor was good at his job; I'd just like the effect to sound a bit less human-chainsmoker than it did. But there is one MAJOR condition on this-- I only want to see him if there is seriously NO MORE CARTHAGE. Not even a TINY bit. If he mentions his wife I want it to be only to say he feels guilty for being happier with you than he was with her. If he mentions his son it should only be to say that Kolyat has a crush on FemShep or something. He must make clear, absolutely clear, that he is about more than just the life he used to have.

I wanted to know who Thane was. Thane. Just Thane. Not some other woman he used to love. Not his kid. I wanted to talk about the universe we were living in, not about some thing that happened long ago that could have just as easily been the kind of conventional, boring crap a human would talk about. These are aliens... a chance to be creative, to take risks. But no risks were taken here. Aside from the extremely clever irony of a dying assassin, there was nothing about Thane's backstory that was interesting, unusual, or a shock. It just wasn't interesting. At all. It didn't tell me anything about the character. It didn't enrich my view of the game universe. It didn't endear him to me. It did nothing but put a constantly pained expression on my face and call my mind back to the days when I was 16 and watched soap operas.

Why, Bioware? Why?  I love this game so much, I loved Thane because he was so awesome in so many ways... why did you have to Carth him? Were you afraid we wouldn't be able to relate to an alien if he had an unusual history? I don't understand. I was so sure that this time we were going to get a love interest who didn't remind me of Carth at all. Not that I didn't like him back in the day, but at least in that case I was sure he didn't see me as a replacement for his dead wife, not after the Revan thing. And why is the child always a son? Couldn't it at least have been a daughter? At least a female player has had the experience of being a daughter, which would help her identify with his kid a little bit more.

If Thane is back in ME3, he should also take his shirt off. And Tali should take off her mask so that you can SEE what they look like underneath--hands and face I mean; I assume that was being saved for ME3 when if I'm lucky, we will get a male quarian option; possibly Kal Reegar because Adam Baldwin rocks everything ever and his character was deceptively typical as soldiers go but clearly more clever than your average soldier. Garrus, however, should remain clothed. I love Garrus, always have, but I don't think I want to think about what's under that armor. It's different with Thane, though. He's green and scaly, but the drell are human enough that I think it would be just as appealing to see him without a shirt as it was for others to see Liara's rear.

The drell are awesome. Even if I weren't straight I would feel the same. I am dying to see the hanar homeworld; I love their culture and I think they're beautiful and intriguing creatures. If we can't have a family issues-free Thane, then I would LOVE to see another drell, because they fascinated me. (If it came down to a quarian vs. a drell I would pick the quarian every time, though, if only because we've had a drell but no quarian.) 

Please, Bioware, if you're watching right now... whoever liked the Carth backstory for Thane... don't let them do it again. DON'T LET THEM DO IT! Like in Pitch Black, the only response when somebody wants to pull the Carth backstory lever is "DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T YOU TOUCH THAT HANDLE!"

Modifié par Wynne, 01 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[Lucy Glitter]

He called his dead wife that?? I DIDN'T KNOW!
OH GOD NOW THIS SUCKS RGHAERUGAEUGHIUERHGESHG.

I did like his voice, tbh. He sounds dangerous, mature... le drool and OMFG I do agree Gann is my favourite romanceable as well! Squee!!!

p.s, Wynne, yet again says it like it should be told. Devs listen to the girl! She knows what she is talking about!!

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 01 février 2010 - 02:49 .

[Cruel Writer]

Actually, I really, really hope Thane buys it. Don't get me wrong, I loved the character and the romance, but miracously discovering a cure would just cheapen him. I firmly believe that his ilness is there for a reason, and that reason is for his death to have a serious emotional impact on your character. Mind you, I'm not saying he should die right away. Sometime into the third game would be nice. But I most definitely wouldn't want a sugar coated happy ending for him and Shep. Guys, you are romancing a dying man. You are explicitly told so. You know what you're getting into. Don't fanwank it all away.



By the way, if he dies, I hope there's a new LI in ME3 and you can get him killed off too, just so I could replay all three games and have every single one of my LIs die. Because it would be FREAKING HILARIOUS.

Joker: Really, commander? Another boyfriend dead?

Shepard: Yeah, I guess I really should stop doing that...



As for the wife and son thing, I think it was brilliant. It makes him much more mature and interesting character. And the quest itself is handled pretty gracefully, mostly because Kolyat is actually doing this out of a certain level of admiration for his dad and the desire to be closer to him. And I loved how you could simply slap him and tell him to get his stuff together. And he does. I guess people hate it because it's associated with Carth who was a whiny **** and his son was the same.

The wife works on the very same principle. You have to accept that this guy had someone in his life before you, and the possibility of the lingering doubt that part of him thinks of you as a replacement for his former love makes it all the more loaded and emotionally engaging. And besides, he could be worried that you're trying to replace KAIDAN (which most of you are. Oh snap!).

It's interesting how the romance options in this game are all very diffrent. The one with Garrus is about a relationship's progression from friends (with a bit of hero worship on his part) to lovers, and the one with Thane is looking for something meaniningful and memorable, an emotional experience that needs to be pursued because he doesn't have much time left and she already lost too much.

[Eradyn]

Yes, devs, definitely listen to Wynne with the exception of the Garrus-bit (and I offer immeasurable thanks and praise and gratitude to Garrus' writers who managed to dodge the Carth-bullet with him), because some of us *cough* would like to see him without his armor/clothing on. XD

Modifié par Eradyn, 02 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[tai0316]

I loved Thane's character and I felt that maybe they gave him a year almost as a tease, maybe so we could hope that a cure could be found since the Hanar are already working on it. I expect darkness in ME3 but I would like the opportunity to give Shepard a happy-ending. All I want is a chance. Actually I'd  really like it if they made it a challenge to get that happy-ending though. Make us make a difficult choice to save him like choosing between curing the genophage or curing the Drell. Or make it a really complicated sidequest. I'd even settle for DLC if it gave me a chance to save him. And like with the two previous games, as always it would be our choice. We could ignore him, we could choose to save someone else, etc. I would just like a chance.  And of course it should be possible that things end badly for Shepard in the end. There should be several options for how things turn out as always.

As for LI's moving on, the fact that if Shepard stays loyal to Liara through the end of ME2 he/she looks at Liara's picture on his/her desk before going through the relay, implies that maybe it could matter in ME3, which could be interesting. I am by no means saying that it will but I wonder if it could. Maybe Liara will be an available LI in ME3. Even Kaiden sent my paragon Shepard an email after we first meet in ME2 saying something to the effect of 'I had to move on but who knows maybe in the future...', so there's another implication IMO.
Between waiting for ME3 and KOTOR 3 Bioware owns me lol!

[Peppard]

Wynne wrote...
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I can't really agree with all that.  Does BW tend to have certain patterns  for the personalities of their characters?  A little yes.    I see  similarities for Thane with Samara, who isn't even a romance option.  
Lost wayward child
 Meditates
 not used to company 
world weary (as opposed to a young person going through a coming of age journey)
 Philosophical approach that sometimes seems like  BS  
Noble motive to join suicide mission (rather than greed or personal gain) 
Non combat loyalty mission 
tight  leather outfit that exposes part of the chest
 

Could BW try a little harder next time around? Maybe.   Thane is, despite some issues, a great character and I enjoyed the character in ME2.  If they cut him out for ME3, my disappointment may be entirely remedied by the appearance of an even more interesting character.  I'm fickle  and optimistic in that way

[Raven_26]

I don't know why ppl are so sure that the LI in ME didn't go thou to ME2 or will be carried over to ME3 - we know the reson they didn't allow us to keep LI from 1 was that they had to survive in ME2, and it is your option to stay true or dump them. ME3 they will be avalible again, or that is what I have gotten from what I read.



That said, I am really hoping there is a way to save Thane - it was just such a good romance! - thou i will still keep a main free for Kaiden lol

[lovgreno]

Am I the only one who want's him to die because I like him? The fact that he was a dying man is part of what made him cool. I wouldn't mind putting a flower on his grave in ME3 though.

[tai0316]

Raven_26 wrote...

I don't know why ppl are so sure that the LI in ME didn't go thou to ME2 or will be carried over to ME3 - we know the reson they didn't allow us to keep LI from 1 was that they had to survive in ME2, and it is your option to stay true or dump them. ME3 they will be avalible again, or that is what I have gotten from what I read.

That said, I am really hoping there is a way to save Thane - it was just such a good romance! - thou i will still keep a main free for Kaiden lol

Lol! I'm not going to lie. Even though my biggest wish is to have Thane back in ME3 as a LI and to be able to cure him, I am keeping a spot open in case my romance with Garrus can go the distance in case I need it. I have a Shepard that romanced Garrus because I wanted to in the first ME and didn't get to. I keep hoping the devs read these posts and take them seriously *sigh*

[Boradam]

I could honestly care less about Thane, But where was it said that Hanar are researching a cure for Keprals Syndrome?



Also... If Thane makes it back, But not Grunt, There will be rage.

[tai0316]

Boradam wrote...

I could honestly care less about Thane, But where was it said that Hanar are researching a cure for Keprals Syndrome?

Also... If Thane makes it back, But not Grunt, There will be rage.

Thane himself says that the Hanar are researching a cure (I believe through genetic engineering) and that he thought it would take longer than he had to live for the cure to be finished. Part of the reason I want to save him is because they seem to leave it open mentioning the Hanar cure being close. Thane says he has 8-12 months left to live and then I thought about the Cerberus data I uploaded for myself that EDi said would take a year to figure out, and I was like 'wait a second, everything is a year away: Thane's death, EDI's data. So it seemed to me that Bioware was getting the story set for the release of ME3.
As for Grunt, he's my right arm on some missions and you gotta have a Krogan at your back!