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[JazmanX]

You have to go through the omega 4 relay before your crew gets abducted. Which as everyone knows, is impossible.

[Sina84]

Lilith gets liquified = you did well.
Kelly gets liquified = you did bad.

Modifié par Sina84, 02 avril 2010 - 09:31 .

[Smurfa-021]

I wonder about one thing. What happens if you do not activate Grunt, you do not activate Legion. This will make less time pass by from New Horizon to End Mission due to the fact that you have two number of missions lesser to do. Would this possibly save Lilith?

[mosor]

Smurfa-021 wrote...

I wonder about one thing. What happens if you do not activate Grunt, you do not activate Legion. This will make less time pass by from New Horizon to End Mission due to the fact that you have two number of missions lesser to do. Would this possibly save Lilith?

You need a certain amount of squadmates for the IFF to be installed and have the collector attack triggered. I once did a playthrough where I didn't recruit thane, samara and gave legion to cerberus. The IFF didn't get installed until I went back to recruit Samara. That was pre-kasumi though.

I always wondered what would happen if you do the reaper IFF mission right after the collector ship mission and do the omega relay right away after that. Would it change anything?

Modifié par mosor, 19 mai 2010 - 03:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

If I'm not misunderstanding something, the ME Wiki seems to believe that Lilith can be saved. And that's if and only if you choose to go through Omega 4 DURING the conversation after the Joker mission when you and your squad are back onboard. If you choose to delay the trip during the conversation but do go immediately anyway, Lilith will die.

[mosor]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

If I'm not misunderstanding something, the ME Wiki seems to believe that Lilith can be saved. And that's if and only if you choose to go through Omega 4 DURING the conversation after the Joker mission when you and your squad are back onboard. If you choose to delay the trip during the conversation but do go immediately anyway, Lilith will die.

Think you're confusing lilith with kelly.

[Fiery Phoenix]

mosor wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

If I'm not misunderstanding something, the ME Wiki seems to believe that Lilith can be saved. And that's if and only if you choose to go through Omega 4 DURING the conversation after the Joker mission when you and your squad are back onboard. If you choose to delay the trip during the conversation but do go immediately anyway, Lilith will die.

Think you're confusing lilith with kelly.

I honestly can't be sure, but for what it's worth, here is the quote, directly from the ME Wiki walkthrough: 

• If you wish to keep the entire crew alive the best way to do
  this is to wait until completing all loyalty missions, then going to
  obtain the IFF. This gives you time to gain Legion's loyalty before the
  crew is abducted. At this point you can go straight through the Omega 4
  relay and save your entire crew as well as keeping your squad alive
  (depending on the decisions made in the Collector base).
• If you do not enter the relay immediately and continue to do
  other assignments, 4 or more, Kelly Chambers and all members of the crew will die in the
  Collector base and Doctor Chakwas will be the only survivor.
• If you do 1 - 3 assignments after the Collector's attack, about
  half of the crew including Kelly and Gabby will die. However, Doctor
  Chakwas, Ken and some unnamed crewmen will survive. You can still do
  Legion' Loyalty mission so long as you do not land on any planets or
  stations (ie... any assignment, The Citadel, Omega, etc.), as the game
  registers these as time, and the entire crew can still survive.
• If you enter the relay immediately, only Lilith (a colonist
  from Horizon) will die instead. This holds true as long as you do no
  assignments after the Collector attack. (e.g. you said you will delay
  the final mission, but you do it right away anyway)

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 19 mai 2010 - 03:45 .

[Pacifien]

If any part of your crew dies, then it's Kelly you see in the pod. But if all your crew is going to survive, Kelly is replaced with Lilith, the colonist who was talking to the Virmire survivor on Horizon. If Kelly is the one that dies, you never do see what happens to Lilith, but the assumption is that she's already been "processed." So there is no way to save Lilith at all.

[Flamin Jesus]

mosor wrote...

Smurfa-021 wrote...

I wonder about one thing. What happens if you do not activate Grunt, you do not activate Legion. This will make less time pass by from New Horizon to End Mission due to the fact that you have two number of missions lesser to do. Would this possibly save Lilith?

You need a certain amount of squadmates for the IFF to be installed and have the collector attack triggered. I once did a playthrough where I didn't recruit thane, samara and gave legion to cerberus. The IFF didn't get installed until I went back to recruit Samara. That was pre-kasumi though.

I always wondered what would happen if you do the reaper IFF mission right after the collector ship mission and do the omega relay right away after that. Would it change anything?

The last (big) CRPGs I remember that actually tracked how much time you took to do things and changed the game accordingly were TES: Daggerfall and Fallout, and both only did so in a limited fashion. The concept was abandoned for a reason: It costs money and ressources to take EVERY time variable into consideration, and it might just be the biggest breeding ground for bugs you could possibly introduce into your design.

Even if you cheated around to somehow trigger the final mission right after talking to TIM the very first time, long before the Collectors actually invaded Horizon, you'd still see Lilith liquefied, she's simply a storytelling device to show you that the Collectors mean business, and as such there was never a reason to come up with a scenario that has Lilith survive, and as such there simply are no files/scripts/etc. for such a scenario included in the game. The "Kelly gets liquified" scene is simply a nasty surprise for people who don't play along with the whole "oh noes, sense of dread, hurry!" thing, ie a punishment for those who feel too secure that they have all the time in the world to do the main missions and game the system.

It's just a game, it's, in a very real sense, just going through the motions (Like all video games), if you want a flexible world that can (in theory) actually respond to all your actions, you'll have to sit down with a human gamemaster and play a pen&paper RPG.

[Lumikki]

Just a question, not sure if I remember this part correctly. What if you go IFF mission after everyone else is loyal, but when back from mission, you keep legion in hold, meaning don't wake him up. Then right after this, activate IFF and go last mission. Question, can you activate Legion after the final mission and do his loyal mission?

I mean it could save time between getting IFF/Legion and activating IFF?

Modifié par Lumikki, 19 mai 2010 - 04:02 .

[Flamin Jesus]

Lumikki wrote...

Just a question, not sure if I remember this part correctly. What if you go IFF mission after everyone else is loyal, but when back from mission, you keep legion in hold, meaning don't wake him up. Then right after this, activate IFF and go last mission. Question, can you activate Legion after the final mission and do his loyal mission?

I mean it could save time between getting IFF/Legion and activating IFF?

I don't even think the IFF sequence will trigger before you made a decision regarding Legion.
But anyway, sure you can do loyalty missions after getting back from the Collector base, but it won't save Lilith. Nothing will.

[Pacifien]

Flamin Jesus wrote...
I don't even think the IFF sequence will trigger before you made a decision regarding Legion.
But anyway, sure you can do loyalty missions after getting back from the Collector base, but it won't save Lilith. Nothing will.

I think the IFF sequence will still trigger even if you've made no decision on Legion and left him inactive in the AI Core. But not sure.

After the IFF mission, you have a meeting with Miranda and Jacob to discuss Legion, and then you're left standing in the comm room or hallway after that meeting is done. You have two choices at that point, go straight for the Galaxy Map and do a couple of random missions until you get the crew capture sequence. Or you can head immediately for the AI Core, activate Legion, speak with Legion a second time, and get his loyalty mission. Then you can do his mission before the crew gets captured, even if EDI is telling you about how she's still working on the IFF and you should take the shuttle and blah blah.

Once the crew does get captured, if you do any missions before going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay, some of them are guaranteed to die, if not all of them. And Kelly will be liquified.

[Lumikki]

I'm not sure, but I think You can activate IFF directly after IFF mission if you don't have any open missions?

[Pacifien]

Lumikki wrote...
I'm not sure, but I think You can activate IFF directly after IFF mission if you don't have any open missions?

Huh. I don't know. I suppose so, if there's nothing else left to trigger it. Or maybe you have to send the Normandy through at least one mass relay even if it's just to visit Omega or some other hub.

[Zulu_DFA]

Come on! If you wait just one mission, the crew start to be processed! How many missions does it take you to go from Horizon to Omega-4? And in the meantime you can hear in one of the onboard conversations that another colony, New Canton apparently got abducted (which also means the Collectors have another ship operating!)

To avoid the paradox of Lilith being kept alive for so long, and (mostly) for dramatic purpuses, in my canon run I got half the crew killed. Including Kelly, whom I had a dinner with and bought some fish to feed... Poor fishies...


On another note it's one of the funniest lines in the game, when Legion says:

"Shepard-Commander! Additional humans."

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 mai 2010 - 05:10 .

[jwalker]

seyera wrote...

In mine Kelly liquified and Lilith lived. Is it just a time issue, or is there something greater involved with who lives?

Wow !That I don't understand. Lilith gets kidnapped in Horizon. Kelly, 1 or 2 missions after retriving the IFF
Kelly dies if you waste time. If wasting time means dying, then Lilith should die to.
I guess BioWare needed you to see some horrific scene, no matter what

[Spartas Husky]

False, no way to save any colonist.



Excerpt from guide in game informer:





The fate of the crew:



How many missions did you complete between opening opening the Omega-4 Relay and traveling through it (AKA IFF installed):



0: only colonist dies, all normandy crew survives.



1-3: half of the crew dies



Over 3: ALl crew members except Dr.Chakwas die.

[mosor]

I just never noticed Lilith living even if kelly died.

[JKoopman]

RyuAzai wrote...

On another note who is this lilith girl? Is she just some random character that was introduced? Or was she ever mentioned in mass effect?

Lilith is Ashley's sister. She's the one she was talking to in ME1 when Shepard overheard her gossiping about him/Kaidan.

[Spartas Husky]

JKoopman wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

On another note who is this lilith girl? Is she just some random character that was introduced? Or was she ever mentioned in mass effect?

Lilith is Ashley's sister. She's the one she was talking to in ME1 when Shepard overheard her gossiping about him/Kaidan.

ohhhh......wait...Litlith isn't a sister....... if I remember correctly is:

oldest to youngest those would be Abby, Lynn, and Sarah

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 19 mai 2010 - 07:02 .

[mosor]

JKoopman wrote...

RyuAzai wrote...

On another note who is this lilith girl? Is she just some random character that was introduced? Or was she ever mentioned in mass effect?

Lilith is Ashley's sister. She's the one she was talking to in ME1 when Shepard overheard her gossiping about him/Kaidan.

Wasn't that Sarah?

[ThisIsMadness91]

Vaenier wrote...

Her getting melted didnt really bother me. it didnt even look like she was melted to me, something was just off about it.

Ditto. It looks less to me like she's melting, and more like she's getting covered in blood or burns. The only thing that really unsettled me was the scream (which I think is the same for both Lilith and Kelly), but that's what the magic X button is for.

It kind of bugs me that someone has to die. If Shepard and the crew hadn't simply stared at Lilith/Kelly before the process began, they may have had time to bust them out. I suppose it's possible that they hesitated in case forcefully removing them from the pods would have killed them, but that didn't stop them from saving the others.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

I didn't know in my first playthrough but still made it through it with no allies lost. I prepared ahead of time. I did EVERYTHING before I knew what going to happen. Go to a start system, map the whole cluster, do quests, do all loyalty missions, then did the next "mandatory" mission. Its so simple I don't understand why people have issues with allies dying in the mission and/or arriving to late. Super easy. 4 playthroughs and everyone lived, each time.

I only recently thought of whether I could save Lilith or not (only just realized who it was lol) figured if I could that could engender some less ANGRY from Kaidan in ME3, but since she cant be saved oh well. I say &UCK off to Cerberus every time any way. So no cerberus = me get Kaidan back? PLEASE bioware? lol

Modifié par LoveAsThouWilt, 12 décembre 2010 - 04:25 .

[Imquarian998]

When i got there Lilith got liquified
That was definetly there to make you go "DAFUQ! GET THE CREW OUT!"

[ViciousCargo]

If she doesn't melt, then I think she dies of an infection from being stung in the boob by the seeker swarm.