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[MrBiggens]

misinformed on my part. ME1 is drew as lead. me2 is mac walters and drew together, though mac is listed as 'lead' writer #1

[wsmb0233]

pterrell wrote...

wsmb0233 wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

wsmb0233 wrote...
i support communism

fix'd for accuracy

**** you for misquoting.... and for the record, communism was a good idea/THEORY even if it was never executed well.... yeah, let's please all gamer types.... because that won't improve sales?.... hmmmm.... actually sounds like capitalism to me

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

in all seriousness though I really did like the loadout system. Would have liked to see more gear drop. Larger variety of weapons and armor, greater customization, and a better squad-wide customization (superficial or otherwise)

exactly... but its failures spawn from the same failures as capitalism..... the few vs the many.... currently over 95% of America's wealth is controlled by 2% of the population..... honestly... that resembles Russia 1940-80s a lot more than it resembles what true democracy SHOULD entail 

[pterrell]

wsmb0233 wrote...

Keltoris wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

wrong again kid. publishers do just what it says: publish. they dont have any say on game design. at all. ever. they say 'ya we'll publish it' or 'no we wont publish it'. and then they market the game to the public, hence the term 'publish'. lol ****ing kid

They can say "We won't publish it with x in it."

I'm not saying they did, but I'm definately not saying they didn't.

Publishers will refuse to publish books if they don't like some of the concepts. Either you swap publishers, talk it out or remove the offensive material. Swapping publishers is kinda hard when they own you.


Would have liked a few more armor options myself.

You're kinda comparing apples to oranges.... just because book publishers also hire editors to fix the original writer's words to make it more sellable.... but as far as apples to apples go.... please note that this game has two credited head writers as the first just had one

Bioware writes the game, yes. EA determines weather the idea and then the finished product are worth it. 
1) Bioware writers present idea to EA. EA likes idea and project begins -OR- EA rejects idea and new or revised idea is born.
2) Project goes underway. EA gets reports on story developments, game developments, etc and steers Bioware toward their intended goal (after all, EA is investing money in these people)
3) Final product is presented. EA approves outright or has editing done to the game. Marketing begins.
4) Game is on shelves

Thats the process in a nutshell. Believe it or not, just watch any development video before you go flaming me saying "THATS NOT HOW ITZ DUN!!!"

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ps @pterrell





oh.... I think it should have more customization too hahah

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pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

[Adain878]

I hated the mako and I love the new N7 misison designs. Maybe combine the two. more weapon/upgrade/armor options would be nice.

[pterrell]

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exactly... but its failures spawn from the same failures as capitalism..... the few vs the many.... currently over 95% of America's wealth is controlled by 2% of the population..... honestly... that resembles Russia 1940-80s a lot more than it resembles what true democracy SHOULD entail [/quote]

true but on the same token we have a free enterprise system. in capitalism property is owned by people. your house is owned by you (unless you're a renter or something) the business you work at is owned by your CEO. In a communist government all of the above is owned by the state. The grocery store is owned by the state, the Pizza Hut down the road is owned by the state, the golf course is owned by the state and even your house is owned by the state. 

True, much of the wealth in America is in the hands of the top percentile but that is what a free enterprise system is. Its not a failure. Greed is the failure. Imagine if all those top bank CEO's who we bailed out spend their bonuses on charities for cancer research or parkinsons or for relief funds such as the Red Cross. Regardless we need that upper percentile, without it everyone is the same and nobody strives to become better. Competition means growth. You loose a fight you come to the next one better prepared. Survival of the fittest in action.

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Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

but that's the thing..... the people are lead to believe it's a communist state whilst the people that are ACTUALLY in control (economically and politically) just **** the people over

that's why the THEORY of communism is sound, but the practice would honestly take a TRUE democratic form of government to pull off (and not a republican system like the US has)...... sorry to say.... true democracy hasn't EVER really existed.... even the ancient Greeks had a republic

[pterrell]

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

You are incorrect. There has never been a true communist country. That is where the greed part comes from. Communism is bread and water for all, which is how it starts. The leader is a shepherd of his flock until they are ready for true communism. The leader realizes how sweet this power is and won't give it up. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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[quote]pterrell wrote...


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exactly... but its failures spawn from the same failures as capitalism..... the few vs the many.... currently over 95% of America's wealth is controlled by 2% of the population..... honestly... that resembles Russia 1940-80s a lot more than it resembles what true democracy SHOULD entail [/quote]

true but on the same token we have a free enterprise system. in capitalism property is owned by people. your house is owned by you (unless you're a renter or something) the business you work at is owned by your CEO. In a communist government all of the above is owned by the state. The grocery store is owned by the state, the Pizza Hut down the road is owned by the state, the golf course is owned by the state and even your house is owned by the state. 

True, much of the wealth in America is in the hands of the top percentile but that is what a free enterprise system is. Its not a failure. Greed is the failure. Imagine if all those top bank CEO's who we bailed out spend their bonuses on charities for cancer research or parkinsons or for relief funds such as the Red Cross. Regardless we need that upper percentile, without it everyone is the same and nobody strives to become better. Competition means growth. You loose a fight you come to the next one better prepared. Survival of the fittest in action.
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95 to 5 isn't survival of the fittest, it's rape.... good use of the word IMAGINE cuz that theory only exists in John Lennon's song.... honestly, I think that 20% of that 95%'s wealth should go back into the FED to slow inflation.... but that would bring about it's own host of problems, not to mention that it would NEVER EVER EVER happen

PS... I LOVE that this thread has become part political/economic debate and part mass effect debate haha

[Fumbleumble]

I disagree... that upper percentile is the last thing we need... they are the cause of the greed that is the rot... they'll never contribute to anything but their own wants and greeds, it's what pushes them to be who they are, without that they are nothing and the only thing anyone else will learn is to be like them.

The only chance any community would have at being a fair community is to completely remove them from the equation... far from being needed, there are the cause of the rot.

Modifié par Fumbleumble, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:20 .

[WKlingbeil1]

I agree on the shooter aspect, ME1 is true to the core RPG, just like KotOR. ME2 is kind of confused about being a shooter or being an RPG, I mean, it's just not cut out to be a shooter. There's way too much story going on. Look at your typical shooter, Halo, the story is way too shallow to be an RPG, and they know it. So just like on the opposite end, BioWare should know there's too much story to make it a shooter. I mean, I'm not afraid to admit that I play on Casual on a day-to-day basis, because the combat is monotonous in every shooter. Shoot. Kill. Next. Hopefully, they'll return to their RPG heart in ME3, and remember it's all about story and making the gamer feel a part of that story. Not that I didn't feel a part of ME2, just not as much as ME1... Or KotOR, which by the way, yes, it is my standard of RPGs.

[pterrell]

wsmb0233 wrote...

95 to 5 isn't survival of the fittest, it's rape.... good use of the word IMAGINE cuz that theory only exists in John Lennon's song.... honestly, I think that 20% of that 95%'s wealth should go back into the FED to slow inflation.... but that would bring about it's own host of problems, not to mention that it would NEVER EVER EVER happen

PS... I LOVE that this thread has become part political/economic debate and part mass effect debate haha

It is too survival. In terms of this game look at the Krogan. They were the fittest species in the galaxy. Strong, tough, bloodthirsty, etc. However the Solarians neutralized that. Then the Turians (as near as I can tell anyway) worked their way to the top. The council was wiped out and Humans stepped in. Only the strongest will make it to the top. Strongest physically and mentally. Same deal as with our economy. Bill Gates, for example. If he weren't smart he wouldn't have become the Microsoft CEO and we would all be sitting here staring at the work of Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. 

[Fumbleumble]

pterrell wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

You are incorrect. There has never been a true communist country. That is where the greed part comes from. Communism is bread and water for all, which is how it starts. The leader is a shepherd of his flock until they are ready for true communism. The leader realizes how sweet this power is and won't give it up. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Actually I was quite correct... I saw no need to quantify anything as being 'true'.. because what you have been told is communism isn't communism...so when I say there hasn't been a Communist run country... I'm exactly correct, there hasn't... and your definition of Communism being Bread and water for all.. is very untrue... communism is equality for all.. an equal sharing of resourses.. your bread and water bit infers nothing for anyone.

Modifié par Fumbleumble, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:29 .

[pterrell]

Fumbleumble wrote...

I disagree... that upper percentile is the last thing we need... they are the cause of the greed that is the rot... they'll never contribute to anything but their own wants and greeds, it's what pushes them to be who they are, without that they are nothing and the only thing anyone else will learn is to be like them.

The only chance any community would have at being a fair community is to completely remove them from the equation... far from being needed, there are the cause of the rot.

If your neighbor buys a brand new boat, you put it in your mind to figure out if its possible for you to buy a boat. Only you buy a bigger one. The upper percentile promotes competition. If everyone has the same thing why compete? No competition means no growth. No growth is why the Russian economy crashed ending the Cold War.

[pterrell]

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

You are incorrect. There has never been a true communist country. That is where the greed part comes from. Communism is bread and water for all, which is how it starts. The leader is a shepherd of his flock until they are ready for true communism. The leader realizes how sweet this power is and won't give it up. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Actually I was quite correct... I saw no need to quantify anything as being 'true'.. because what you have been told is communism isn't communism...so when I say there hasn't been a Communist run country... I'm exactly correct, there hasn't... and your definition of Communism being Bread and water for all.. is very untrue... communism is equality for all.. an equal sharing of resourses.. your bread and water bit infers nothing for anyone.

you couldn't get flat equality from me saying bread and water for all? have you heard of creativity? also what you describe is a Marxist society. Communism has existed and still exists. There is a difference.

[WKlingbeil1]

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

You are incorrect. There has never been a true communist country. That is where the greed part comes from. Communism is bread and water for all, which is how it starts. The leader is a shepherd of his flock until they are ready for true communism. The leader realizes how sweet this power is and won't give it up. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Actually I was quite correct... I saw no need to quantify anything as being 'true'.. because what you have been told is communism isn't communism...so when I say there hasn't been a Communist run country... I'm exactly correct, there hasn't... and your definition of Communism being Bread and water for all.. is very untrue... communism is equality for all.. an equal sharing of resourses.. your bread and water bit infers nothing for anyone.

Fascinating how a video game forum becomes a discussion on politics, economies, governments, etc.  Silly really, as it accomplishes near nothing, and isn't even entertaining.  The pointless discussions on video games are at least entertaining.  I was on the BioWare forum awhile back and someone made a comment about... George Bush I think, someone responded, and all looked stupid.  Consider this.

[Fumbleumble]

pterrell wrote...

If your neighbor buys a brand new boat, you put it in your mind to figure out if its possible for you to buy a boat. Only you buy a bigger one. The upper percentile promotes competition. If everyone has the same thing why compete? No competition means no growth. No growth is why the Russian economy crashed ending the Cold War.

No... that's not competition... that's greed.... and greed begets greed.... 'He has something
, so I want more'...... there is NOTHING healthy about that.

And btw... Soviet Russia's economy ws ENCOURAGED to crash due to American interference.

Modifié par Fumbleumble, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:35 .

[pterrell]

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

If your neighbor buys a brand new boat, you put it in your mind to figure out if its possible for you to buy a boat. Only you buy a bigger one. The upper percentile promotes competition. If everyone has the same thing why compete? No competition means no growth. No growth is why the Russian economy crashed ending the Cold War.

No... that's not competition... that's greed.... and greed begets greed.... 'He has something
, so I want more'...... there is NOTHING healthy about that.

And btw... Soviet Russia's economy ENCOURAGED to crash due to American interference.

So since you're clearly not a greedy man you would be fine simply living in a rotting apartment with dank sheets and working at McDonalds without holding a grudge against anyone? Hmm you're quite the anomaly...

[Fumbleumble]

pterrell wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

it isn't a question of communism being executed properly as, usually, it is. the problem is people. people are greedy. greed is the #1 killer of communism.

Sorry, dude..

but there has never been a Communist run country, ever, in the history of mankind.... The Governments that you are told are Communist are poor bastardised shadows of some of the principals involved in Communism run for the benefit of the leaders.... the 'people' never got a chance to be greedy, they were beaten to it by their lords and masters.

You are incorrect. There has never been a true communist country. That is where the greed part comes from. Communism is bread and water for all, which is how it starts. The leader is a shepherd of his flock until they are ready for true communism. The leader realizes how sweet this power is and won't give it up. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Actually I was quite correct... I saw no need to quantify anything as being 'true'.. because what you have been told is communism isn't communism...so when I say there hasn't been a Communist run country... I'm exactly correct, there hasn't... and your definition of Communism being Bread and water for all.. is very untrue... communism is equality for all.. an equal sharing of resourses.. your bread and water bit infers nothing for anyone.

you couldn't get flat equality from me saying bread and water for all? have you heard of creativity? also what you describe is a Marxist society. Communism has existed and still exists. There is a difference.

When you use the term 'bread and water' in such a dersive manner.. and in an effort to prove a point about it's inferiority.. then no.. you aren't saying the same thing.

[wsmb0233]

pterrell wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

pterrell wrote...

If your neighbor buys a brand new boat, you put it in your mind to figure out if its possible for you to buy a boat. Only you buy a bigger one. The upper percentile promotes competition. If everyone has the same thing why compete? No competition means no growth. No growth is why the Russian economy crashed ending the Cold War.

No... that's not competition... that's greed.... and greed begets greed.... 'He has something
, so I want more'...... there is NOTHING healthy about that.

And btw... Soviet Russia's economy ENCOURAGED to crash due to American interference.

So since you're clearly not a greedy man you would be fine simply living in a rotting apartment with dank sheets and working at McDonalds without holding a grudge against anyone? Hmm you're quite the anomaly...

if the 95% of wealth controlled by the 2% were redistributed to the 98% (and I'm not saying this SHOULD happen, just hypothetically.....) then we would all be driving Honda civics and living in 2 or 3 bedroom apartments in the city and 5 bedroom farm houses in rural areas.... 95%!!!!!!!! of ALL AMERICAN WEALTH!!!!!!! can you even fathom how many BILLIONS of dollars that is?

[pterrell]

Nicely dodged but you should still answer the question. Admit that you're a greedy person and we'll move on

[Fumbleumble]

pterrell wrote...

So since you're clearly not a greedy man you would be fine simply living in a rotting apartment with dank sheets and working at McDonalds without holding a grudge against anyone? Hmm you're quite the anomaly...

What has living an unsatisfactory existance in dirt and squalour got to do with anything?...Or is this how you imagine hhow we'd all be living under a fair regime?

Modifié par Fumbleumble, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:47 .

[pterrell]

Because since you want to live in conditions greater than others that shows greed. QUOTED "'He has something, so I want more" Unsatisfactory existence is only determined by what others have in comparison to you and what you want.



By you being greedy it shows you as a hypocrite since you're arguing that greed is bad. This discredits you and your entire argument falls apart. GG!

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pterrell wrote...

Because since you want to live in conditions greater than others that shows greed. QUOTED "'He has something, so I want more" Unsatisfactory existence is only determined by what others have in comparison to you and what you want.

By you being greedy it shows you as a hypocrite since you're arguing that greed is bad. This discredits you and your entire argument falls apart. GG!

Justify this.... show me evidence as to how you came to this conclusion. because you've lost me entirely.